This is NTL. Fuck Off.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/news/0,12597,1502428,00.html

Ha ha!


Sorry for just posting an entertaining link, but it cheered me up.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Thursday, 9 June 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)

By chance, Mr Gibbins discovered he could alter NTL's recorded message, and after he'd tinkered with it people seeking help were met with something altogether more blunt.

what absolutely piss-poor reporting. "by chance"? how the FUCK do you discover that "by chance", having already hung up the phone?

beautiful pay-off, though.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 9 June 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

One time a mate of a mate was working as a Policeman in Cumbria. He was manning the desk for the afternoon, bored out of his skull, when an old woman phoned. There was an injured bird her back garden. It'd broken a wing and couldn't fly away. Awww. What on earth should she do?

"Drop a brick on it, luv"

Click. Brrrrrrrr.

On one hand I've got myself to blame (Lynskey), Thursday, 9 June 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)

And with news like this around, we could all do with a laugh.

what absolutely piss-poor reporting. "by chance"? how the FUCK do you discover that "by chance", having already hung up the phone?

I did think that.

Gatinha (rwillmsen), Thursday, 9 June 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

I do wonder where people get the impression that call-centre operatives are simply put there to piss off the public though. I remember reading an article in, guess where the Express, where they gave you tips on how to "get your own back" on those nasty telephone operators who apparently just sit there letting the phone ring all day and not picking up. This included ringing through to the sales centre and asking to be put through to customer services. I'll tell you now if you do this to any sales centre you'll be told where to stick it. Queue up like the rest of the public or just follow these simple instructions before ringing in: "TURN IT OFF. NOW TURN IT BACK ON AGAIN".

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 9 June 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

By chance, Mr Gibbins discovered he could alter NTL's recorded message, and after he'd tinkered with it people seeking help were met with something altogether more blunt.
what absolutely piss-poor reporting. "by chance"? how the FUCK do you discover that "by chance", having already hung up the phone?

Presumably they were asked not to say, on the grounds that someone else might have a go. When our shop was robbed recently, we were told not to comment to reporters on the actual circumstances of the robbery, for fear it would give anyone ideas.

A guy I know briefly became a celebrity in New Zealand a few years ago. He temped for a guy who ran a wedding photography and videoing company, then he went to temp for the phone company in the billing department. His previous employer's bill came in for him to check, so he added stuff to it like a $200 charge "for being a dick" among other things. He had to be sacked, but his colleagues did think it was pretty funny. It made the papers and everything.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 9 June 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

how do you turn off a car insurance?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 June 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

i'm going to phone up elephant.com to ask this!! (my mate told me before calling you i should try and turn it off and on again)

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 June 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

You're very funny, did you know that Ken? ;-)

dog latin (dog latin), Thursday, 9 June 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

Presumably they were asked not to say, on the grounds that someone else might have a go.

it still doesn't excuse the laziness of that sentence. "by chance [he] discovered" ... what, through telekinesis? by going to ntl.com and clicking "hack our phone message"?

surely some more detail came out during the court case?

put it this way: i wouldn't accept copy like that from a reporter. and if it's been badly subbed, someone needs shot.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 9 June 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

maybe he pressed a random number by chance out of rage and found the "change greeting message" option.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

in which case: why can't the guardian a) find out and b) tell us?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

because how he did it wasn't the story?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

i mean, why didn't they tell me what model of telephone he was using?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

er (x-post) ... it's a pretty important part of the story. it's not like it's something people just do, is it? i want to know. the OP wanted to know. other people will want to know.

my beef here is simply that this is shockingly lazy reporting. as an editor, i deal with this kind of shit all the time and it really, really bugs me. that pathetic attempt at an explanation ("by chance") is just embarrassing.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

if they hadn't used "by chance", it would actually be a lot better!

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

strange because i'd rather thought too much details on the mechanics of how he did it would have distracted from the story (what he did, the reaction), but that's why i'm not an editor maybe.

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

NTL would probably complain to Ofcom about any paper that went into detail over how the guy did it, but it would be worth asking NTL how just to get one of those squirmy quotes off their PRs.

(NB if you want to override the dreckitude of waiting in a caller queue, hit # or * after the first prompt just about any call system gives you - it's usually one of these options)


suzy (suzy), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

x-post: no, you're absolutely right: too much detail would be balls. but one sentence would be nice, eg "by exploring the phone-line menu options, he discovered" or even (utterly dumbed-down, but hey) "by hacking into the NTL customer service network with his PC, he discovered" ...

i think it's just that "by chance" that riles me. next time some scientist makes an earth-shattering discovery, are the grauniad going to say: "by chance, dave smith found a vaccine for HIV"?

:)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

(NB if you want to override the dreckitude of waiting in a caller queue, hit # or * after the first prompt just about any call system gives you - it's usually one of these options)

pressing 0 sometimes does it too, but quite often you find yourself through to a person who then has to sit and work out how to transfer you to where you want to be :)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

:)

p.s. you know, we can actually try and get the answer to this by utilising the Freedom of Information Act, to ask them how this person managed to change the phone details and demand an answer. they may be able to refuse through security grounds though (but not if they've already closed the loophole, which they must have surely??)

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

or is FOI only for public sector?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

yes it is :(

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

are the grauniad going to say: "by chance, dave smith found a vaccine for HIV"?

Well, if he wasn't looking for it and found it, it would be by chance, no? I'm not saying whether or not it's lazy writing, but if he was trying to do something else and he discovered how to do this, it would be by chance.

In Ireland, the FOI act applies to the public sector and entities that hold information about you.

accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Well, if he wasn't looking for it and found it, it would be by chance, no? I'm not saying whether or not it's lazy writing, but if he was trying to do something else and he discovered how to do this, it would be by chance.

good point, well made.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

"If you want to speak to customer services, press 1. To speak to our sales team, press 2. To change your voicemail greeting, press 3"

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 9 June 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)


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