do you know any graduate students in math, or any math professors?

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i mean, socially. what are they like? i'm also wondering if people in applied math have drastically different personality traits from people in plain old math.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

winnie cooper to thread

j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

haha!

cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

i'm friends with a math professor. he's actually coming to chicago this weekend, which will be rad. (he lives in memphis.) yeah, he can be kind of weird, i guess, but can't we all.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

the story i often like to tell about him is that we were having lunch one time in college, and he'd gotten up to go to the bathroom. so i went to sneak a peek at the notebook he'd left on the table and was sorely disappointed to find that the first half of the notebook was entirely upper-level math notation, and the second half of the notebook was entirely written in arabic (which he'd been teaching himself). i couldn't understand a thing.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

he's also a really good guitarist, and one of my best musical collaborations, i think -- just in the ease in which we worked together -- was on a couple post-rocky instrumental tunes with him and this other dude.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

i think that qualifies as typecasting

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

he can also be very intense about his math. he'll work on stuff in his head a lot and sometimes will use napkins to randomly scribble things down on.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

actually, he's one of the most downright passionate people i know: about math, music, friendship, love, etc.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

er ... barry brunner to thread? (he is a physicist i know but the line between that and applied math gets pretty narrow sometimes)

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

i live near a university so I know one of both and uh they're both a bit weird: the student is in the library from 9am-9pm every day doing maths problems & always takes his 2 breaks at the same time; the professor gives private maths tutorials to like half the town

fcuss3n, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

"private maths tutorials" --good euphemism !

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

I knew some, since I was one, a grad student that is, and I always found them weird and difficult to have simple conversations with, brains straining to check if they were making any logical fallacies before speaking. If a conference room opened and people came out laughing and boisterous, they usually turned out to be from the Comp Sci department.

They sort of became slightly more human around, wait for it, the World Cup, at least the foreign students did.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

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haha yeah i noticed that

fcuss3n, Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

'he'll work on stuff in his head a lot and sometimes will use napkins to randomly scribble things down on' = most people who think a lot

i studied math for a while, amst. i'm not sure what you're looking for - i get the impression you either want some preconceptions confirmed or rejected - but math graduate students and professors are nerdier than your average, unsurprisingly. and then of course some will be the most out there people you ever meet. but, again unsurprisingly, they are not nerdy as a rule, nor are they uniformly nerdy. some are quite sociable; mathematics is, like any other scholarly field, one that calls for collaboration and interaction with fellow professionals, even if in a very constrained way.

in this way, and relative to the greater population, i would say that students of higher math are not significantly different from others working in the hard sciences. and then, not extremely different from other academics in general; being a jane austen scholar, e.g., isn't guaranteed to make you THAT much greater at relating to people, though admittedly humanities students e.g. are called upon to relate to others in ways much less remote from the everyday than mathematicians are.

as for differences between applied mathematicians and pure mathematicians, i can't help you. i would guess that applied mathematicians are and are perceived to be more worldly, but i don't know how significant that's supposed to be.

Josh (Josh), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

I don't know too many mathematicians ... I used to play poker with a math prof, and he was (and is) an outgoing, extremely humourous person. But by his own admission, he was quite different from his peers.

In undergrad, the math and math/physics people I knew were more introspective than the pure physicists, i.e. they were true to the expected stereotype.

I think most grad programs, no matter what the subject, are composed of 1/3 pure nerd, 1/3 undisciplined animal, and 1/3 mix between the two extremes (the smartest people are usually in the last group and are the ones that end up getting faculty positions). In my experience, Comp. Sci. is an exception, the breakdown is probably (3/4, 1/16, 3/16).

FYI: I began grad school in the "mixed" group and steadily progressed toward the "animal" group. The tipping point was probably around summer 2001.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 9 June 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

I'm unclear as to the definitions: Pure math is mathematics, and applied math is some sort of physics thing?

But anyway, yes, I was one a graduate student for a year. Without fear or favour I can confirm that maths lecturers are pretty strange, and more prone to breakdowns than most.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

FYI: I began grad school in the "mixed" group and steadily progressed toward the "animal" group

haha LOLs.

when i was at berkeley one of my math TAs was a grad student named - i kid you not - OGG. OGG had long, waist-length blond dreadlocks, a big fuzzy beard, wore no shoes, had feet like the yeti and would only dress in denim overalls covered in embroidery and patches and nothing under them. OGG dropped out of graduate studies in math (topology, i think?) in his 2nd year to be a subsistence farmer.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

FYI: I began grad school in the "mixed" group and steadily progressed toward the "animal" group

haha LOLs.

when i was at berkeley one of my math TAs was a grad student named - i kid you not - OGG. OGG had long, waist-length blond dreadlocks, a big fuzzy beard, wore no shoes, had feet like the yeti and would only dress in denim overalls covered in embroidery and patches and nothing under them. OGG dropped out of graduate studies in math (topology, i think?) in his 2nd year to be a subsistence farmer.

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

Of course, he was a topologist!

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)

Toby, still sometimes seen around here, is now a lecturer and postgrad researcher in maths, after getting his doctorate, at a world-class university. He comes to FAPs and talks to us as if he's a normal person.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 9 June 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

"as if" -- what does this imply?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

wit

oops (Oops), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

actual photo of OGG!!

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

caitlinhell to thread.

she is currently in knoxville for the summer hanging out with mathematicians!

Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

Did OGG always insist on spelling his name in CAPITAL LETTERS?

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

heh, no. for all i know it was always lowercase ... maybe he named himself ".ogg" (would that have a tongue click?)

vahid (vahid), Thursday, 9 June 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

I have heard of this Toby. But I think things may be a little different across the pond, Martin.

k/l (Ken L), Friday, 10 June 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

My friend Adam. he works in nano technology. He showed his notebook to my boyfriend mark and began explaining it all. It literally blew mark's mind and he passed out right there in the hallway. It was hilarious! But usually Adam is totally silent and spaced out unil he suddenly springs to life when a subject he likes comes up, then he goes on for 20 minutes before fading into the scenery again. I love him so much!

django (django), Friday, 10 June 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

hi i know lots of math professors and graduate students. for a while i thought i was going to be a math professor (and maybe i still will?) but i don't think it's for me and i might be a lawyer because i like documents.

i think most math professors are really good, interesting people and don't fit the stereotype. my advisor, for example, spent time in england studying philosophy, really likes chess and woodworking, and goes ice skating with students sometimes. some mathematicians have sort of strange ways of getting along with others and going about their business but even they are usually fine people.

the grad students i know are awesome, but i'm sure there are lots who are really maladjusted and weird. even though i sometimes don't like math, i think i want to marry a mathematician because i think they're great.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 10 June 2005 01:21 (twenty years ago)

also, about the applied vs. pure math thing, i'm in an applied math program because that's all my school offers and i switched out of engineering (didn't intend to go into applied math) but i prefer pure stuff. i think applied mathematicians tend to be a little less weird but i don't know if it's the rule. it could be that since applied math is what you'd go into if you wanted to do mathematical finance, biology/ecology, work for nasa, etc., people who do that are more connected to the real world, while pure mathematicians are more concerned with really abstract stuff that normal peopld don't care about. i don't know though.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 10 June 2005 01:31 (twenty years ago)

the mathematician i know is all about the pure.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 June 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

does math have its jim derogatis?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 10 June 2005 04:10 (twenty years ago)

most of the math professors i know are pretty crazy. but not just in a mathematical way, they just have random kooky personalities. they're pretty awesome. i don't know grad students because i've never lived at all near a grad school.

Maria (Maria), Friday, 10 June 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

My boyfriend is a grad student in the more math-y side of physics, and he's not weird in the classic "mad scientist" sense, just in his own ways. He does keep little slips of paper/fast food receipts/food bags with numbers all over them on his desk and I know better than to move them. The grad students I know are in general a pretty rowdy social bunch, who rarely talk theory outside of class.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 10 June 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

My Crypto Prof who gave me a BEE MINUS, the JERKFACE (I'm sure I deserved it, he was cool)

Addendum:
Can somebody help me figure out a mathematical method for determining when it is best for a mass transit system to behave more like an elevator and when it is best for it to behave more like a train?

1. Trains stop at every stop
2. Elevators only stop when requested

Variables include: Number of people riding at a time, total number of riders to be served, time between stops, time at stop (to load/unload), number of concurrent rides available

distance is only important if we want to factor in competing modes of transport such as stairs or aeroplanes, which is like a whole nother can of worms.

would it be possible to make trains function like elevators at certain times? And elevators to function like trains at certain times?

The most important thing of course is that if you plan to ever make a train behave like an elevator you have to put the buttons up high enough so that children can never, ever reach them.

I am actually planning to start a blog so I don't have to use napkins anymore. Also: Tax write-off (Adsense here I come)

TOMBOT, Friday, 10 June 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

caitlin you should go to law school with an eye on being an expert witness, like with regard to engineering or something. Expert witnesses get paid incredibly stupid money.

teeny (teeny), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

"Ms. Oh No, you are an expert in applied mathematics, is that correct?"

"Yes"

"Would you say that the defendant is a transcendental number that most people are familiar with?"

"Yes"

"And is it possible for any other number to be defined both by the two limits described in Exhibits A and B, as well as the infinite series discovered in Exhibit F?"

"Not to my knowledge"

"Therefore is it possible, at all, for another number to be responsible for this crime, given the identifying evidence you have seen?"

"No"

"No further problems"

TOMBOT, Friday, 10 June 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

worst episode of law and order ever

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

http://image03.webshots.com/3/9/73/26/1497326jlcimwFYkp_ph.jpg

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

My uncle is a math professor and he's kind of kooky and great. He writes children's songs about ice cream and squirrels and sings them and accompanies himself on guitar at family reunions.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 10 June 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

tombot is there any "cost" involved at all in making a train act like an elevator? i don't see an efficiency trade-off, tho i just see a pure silliness in making ppl treat a train like an elevator when there will be ppl at every stop.

on the boston green line trains start to act like elevators (or buses, or trolleys -- which they are) once they get out far enuf that there's a chance at all that they might not be asked to stop at a certain stop.

they also do funny things like only collecting fare in one direction to speed things up at rush hour, etc.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 10 June 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

I'm a maths teacher.

I teach A-level/AS level/O-Level as well as key skills to adult learners and basic skills to those who, er, need basic skills.

I'm an excellent chess player and represented England schools at a 15 year old and I also own an anorak which has patches on the elbows (not leather unfortunately)

I also write strange little songs, but mainly about cats rather than squirrels or whatever.

I suppose I am a bit nerdy..check out my profile and let me know...but I can communicate with students through the medium of music (we have a lending library which meets once a week where we swap anything from Wu tang to Boney M and most thins in-between

Formerly Kris England!, Friday, 10 June 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

xpost

i could be an expert witness because i like being called an expert but i want to do something with reproductive rights or human rights or some other crap.

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 10 June 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Sterling, the benefit obviously comes only if you assume there are stations where no one wants to get off or on. Switching modes has all sorts of problems, like how people know, and you need some way at the station for passengers who want to get on to alert the train driver. These are costs, so it seems unlikely that the cost savings of not braking/accelerating, and the time savings, for probably very few instances on any route (none at all, often) would compensate.

You'd need a statistical analysis of passenger patterns first - find out how frequently there are no people making use of stops, before you investigate the savings. I doubt it's worth the bother, really.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 10 June 2005 22:56 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTby_e4-Rhg

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

I'm a math professor, with a doctorate in math and in one of the humanities (mostly teach in the humanities these days). I don't think I'm particularly freakish at least relative to ILX (or ILM, but I don't post enough for any of you to really know)...relative to my students though (at a pretty average big state school), yes, I'm a freak. I think it's mostly a degree of intensity. I mean to bother posting on ILM you have to be pretty intense about music. Math folks, in my experience, tend to be intense about whatever they're interested in. More generally, smart folks tend to be intense. Whereas my students aren't intense about much of anything from what I can tell.

Euler, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)


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