what is the etiquette for if you are alone in the midst of a ready-established friend group

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should they welcome you and make you at home or should you go all out to make yourself accepted even though they might just not be looking to have any new members?

went out for a birthday on sat nite and felt really unwelcome as it was my friends friend's birthday and they just didnt seem to care, but then i suppose its hard when theres a biggish group of ten. or maybe it was me, being stupid and feeling out of my element when i should have just played it cool and not be bothered.

bretteastonellis, Monday, 13 June 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

is this another meta thread?

N_RQ, Monday, 13 June 2005 09:44 (twenty years ago)

I think the thing to do in these situations is just talk to people. Possibly they AREN'T looking for a 'new member', but I doubt that many friendship groups, even the most apparently closed, really think like that.

Also it was your friend's responsibility to introduce you and stuff, if that didn't happen it's no wonder you felt left out. Often people don't realise that someone doesn't know anyone - and they may not all have known each other either.

Archel (Archel), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

i did this on saturday, and i went to talk to strangers because i think that's the thing to do really. i don't think anyone's obliged to do anything (except maybe the host should make sure you guys are mingling and nobody's bored/left out). i think by being open and friendly then people will start to talk to you anyway, if not then i guess it's just destined not to get along.

it is tough, though sometimes, going alone. that's why it's always worth bringing along a buddy.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

One week ago today I was out with a bunch of ILXers, and my new girlfriend. She mostly talked to me, but I introduced her to everyone and those who had any chance to speak to her were extremely welcoming. That's what I'd expect - friendly and welcoming on both sides.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

i love my friends dearly, but a small number of them are seriously miserable bastards who can appear actively hostile towards anyone they haven't known for at least two years. with that in mind, i tend to go out of my way to try to make any "new members" feel welcome ... as long, of course, as those new members also seem willing to talk.

i find the same thing works the other way: if i'm with a group of people i've never met before, i'll try to chat away and be pleasant/funny/not unnecessarily cuntish, and usually one or two people will be very receptive to that. whether or not the rest of the group follows suit doesn't really matter: if i've got a couple of people to chat to (and some beer to drink), i'm happy enough for the night.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 13 June 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

martin's nu-gf wz for a long while sat opposite my um "harem" (carsmile's word not mine as it includes sistrah becky!) who know each other v.well but have not fapped b4 (well dr vick has once but that's it): anyway they were more catchin up w.each other than minglin

anyway isn't the thing w.large-ish groups of ppl that they haven't ALL seen EVERY ONE of each other recently so spend a lot of time catchin up intro-group and cross-subgroup and everyone is assumin the unknown face is known to everyone but them

but yeah, the ppl who invited you shd at least introduce you to someone

mark s (mark s), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Arrrr, see this gives me The Fear on both sides. It requires balance, as in all things.

Common logic says that the best thing to do is you should introduce the new friend round, and try to provide some entrance for them in terms of suggesting areas of commonality. BUT!!! I hate, hate, hate this - mainly because Joe used to try to do it, and was crap at it, i.e. he would either mangle it badly ("This is my partner Kate, she hates Sound Art" when introducing me to any other Sound Artist" or else big me up waaaaayyyy more than was reasonable, leaving me feeling very uncomfortable, i.e. "This is my partner Kate, she is a mathematician/artist/Proper Musician" which immediately provoked embarrassing questions where I had to reveal that I was just a housewife really. But that is an awful consequence of those being business socialising more than social.

I don't know; I hope that I have friends who are odd enough that they will flock naturally together. And usually I'm gratified enough that it happens when I introduce a new person into my fold. But whenever I go to someone else's do, I end up being the lone odd person. Argh.

The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

i think i should have introduced myself to everyone, but its weird, people are sitting there, and youre just meant to blurt out 'hey hello everyone this is who i am!' i dunno. my friend didnt really introduce me cos i dont think he knew everyone either, but i said hello to the birthday girl, i tried talking to other people, but my friend i think had his own issues, he didnt know anyone but he got there first before me and i think he was feeling left out to begin with. next time, i should just make small talk, but i couldnt help thinking the people were wondering who the fuck is this guy?! i must have looked like a moody bastard. the other thing is that there didnt seem to be much convo going on between everyone, it was all a bit stilted i felt and it was quite 'intra', about stuff people outside the group couldnt possibly have known about so while they were talking about their kids and stuff, i felt like i was intruding on private stuff. i mean, what am i meant to do, chime in about this woman's kid starting to have sex as a teen? didnt feel right.

bretteastonellis, Monday, 13 June 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

If you're there with a friend of a friend, the usual thing to do is ask "How do you know my friend?"

The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

i mean, what am i meant to do, chime in about this woman's kid starting to have sex as a teen? didnt feel right.

oh, but the inherent comedy value of that ... especially if you're unlikely to ever see these people again ...

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

i had a really weird experience. my friend had a party, and one guy turned up who didn't know anyone(i didn't know EVERYONE but most people were in groups of varying sizes). so this guy knew not one person out of 30 or whatever... except he did, he had gone to school with me, a decade ago, and we hadn't met since (i hated the school so much i haven't seen anyone from it since). so i did the decent bloke routine... and it was cool.

N_RQ, Monday, 13 June 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

how do you go to a party where you don't know anyone!?

stelf)xxxxx, Monday, 13 June 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

I've been to quite a few parties where I've known only one person.

The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

aye, you know the host. lots of parties are like that, innit?

N_RQ, Monday, 13 June 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Either you know just The Host, or you know Your Date. And that's it.

The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Monday, 13 June 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

when you're at the door you say "i'm a friend of dave"

mark s (mark s), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

dave smith

ken c (ken c), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

dave stelf)xxxxx (p@ffffft.com

mark s (mark s), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

i mean, what am i meant to do, chime in about this woman's kid starting to have sex as a teen? didnt feel right.

well if you have something interesting to say about it then yeah (e.g. if you have a kid who is being a slut or something). if you aren't interested in their kid stories how you do expect them to be interested in you?

ken c (ken c), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

I've moved around quite a bit, so I'm perfectly used to this. I just keep trying to remember that most of the time, these are people who haven't moved around a lot and haven't had to make new friends. They have their one little group and they're fine with that and don't see any urgency and making new friends. This doesn't mean people like that can't be friendly, they just don't have the same point of view.

Mostly, though, it seems like people our age (by this, I mean late-20s, early-30s) have been around enough to be in a similar position.

I encountered this fairly recently at a birthday party where I only knew (and just barely) the hosts. I was sitting at a table eating snacks with three of the party-goers when suddenly they say to each other, "Ooh! Let's all go in the other room together!" so then that just leaves me at the table eating chips. It was pretty upsetting and rude, but at the same time I realized that they grew up here and have known each other for years and years and they probably didn't think anything of it.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

I wear a big smile and at least one item of talk-worthy clothing - anything from the Spidey-Pin to a green skintight leather jumpsuit with cutaway buttocks and a transparent crotch-panel.

It works about 50/50.

Negativa, True Believer (Sheryl Crow in a Britney costume) (Barima), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

My friend J had an old childhood friend who he'd lost contact with long ago. This person wanted to invite J to his dissertation party and googled around for his e-mail address. He found it, he thought, except that it turned out to be some other guy with the same name. This stranger got the invitation, and simply replied "I'll be there /J". AND THEN WENT TO THE PARTY, which was a pretty dressed-up formal thingy, dinner and all. Wtf?

Hanna (Hanna), Monday, 13 June 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

hahahaha

N_RQ, Monday, 13 June 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

maybe it was an interesting-looking dissertation?

mark s (mark s), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

The last time this happened to me was a party with a bunch of NPR people that Kelsey knew, and I had just gone along as her date. I was kinda uncomfortable for a while -- I kept making trips to the kitchen, just to look purposeful (altho the pizza they had was pretty good) -- but then I eventually found some dude who was a DJ and a baseball fan, so we talked about that for a while. I think I chit-chatted with Ir4 Gl4ss at one point, but it was sort of awkward.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

lampshade on the head time

The Sensational Sulk (sexyDancer), Monday, 13 June 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)


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