What to do when your friends have outgrown YOU?

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Everyone's been coupled up and careering for a while now but it's only recently that they've got really shitty about it. I can't talk to them for ten seconds without their eyes glazing over and saying something like "Well, it's your life" and cutting me off. I'm pathetically grateful to be invited out on the rare occasions it happens anymore, even though it seems all the conversation is pointedly designed to exclude me - all about their jobs and families. Problem is, I left 'getting on track' a bit late, and now I'm worried that I've fallen into the 'loser/misfit' category and won't ever have anyone to hang out with ever again, except for other losers. Is the world getting meaner in general or does this just happen with age?

Hotdogfarm, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

I feel that I am somewhat unconsciously doing this to one of my friends. Bad.

the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

it just happens with age if you aren't signed up for the Traditional Adult Roadmap

Leonard Thompson (Grodd), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

I'd have to disagree there, Leonard, I'm not feeling that happening at all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Whatever you do, don't get roped into babysitting on a regular basis.

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

i probably did this to a bunch of my friends but for fucks sake they act like teenagers and I've got better things to do with my time.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

i do this to ALL of my friends eventually, and get new ones. i can't help it though, people are insipid!

caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

You can sidestep the Traditional Adult Roadmap without falling onto the Perrenial Loser Track. It's tricky to manage, because the Universal Expectations are set up in terms of the traditional roadmap, but jumping into the Great Unknown can lead you to some very satisfying places.

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

www.friendster.com

seriously though, i do this too, its not something i'm terribly proud of, but then when i spend any extended amount of time with them i feel like im descending into madness.

it just happens with age if you aren't signed up for the Traditional Adult Roadmap

i disagree though with this... said friends are all college educated and well established career-wise, they're just a bit immature and uh, insipid.

AaronK (AaronK), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

get younger friends.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Interesting responses. Maybe our definitions of 'insipid' are different, though. I find that the older and more established people are, the more they use that as a license to be boring - talking about their jobs etc. - and everyone seems to go along with it. If you talk about anything that isn't totally mundane, they act like you're being adolescent. Maybe they're right.

HotDogFarm, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

I think it's completely reasonable to point out to people who only talk about their work if they are being tiresome. Are you hanging out with these people and their significant otherses? If so, I can almost guarantee their spouses will thank you.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

do what hstencil said.

alternately, get your shit together.

alternately still, do what i am doing and sulk in isolation.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

www.friendster.com

coincidentally (well, not) I deleted my account yesterday with the realization that half the people on there were not people I ever did anything with anymore.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

They're snobs, leave them behind. Or do you agree with their standards and just wish you could meet them better?

banana face (banana face), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

Also, only talking about kids, houses, weddings and dogs = lame.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Only talking about anything = lame. I think it's important, for the sake of all humanity, that people intending to participate in conversations be fluent in as broad a range of topics as possible.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

I think that's why I love ILX so much: it's like training to prepare oneself to be ready to conversate no matter what comes up.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

Hotdogfarm, your email addy speaks volumes. ha ha

It sounds like you need to make new friends that share your interests. People change, their interests change... That doesn't mean you have ditch these folks, you just need to assemble a new going-out-on-the-town crowd.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

just make sure you don't say "brb" when excusing yourself

xpost

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

this hs kid i work with actually sez "brb" when going on his break or to the potty. it makes me worry about the future a bit.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

do you go "OMG LOL WTF?" to him when he says it?

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

haha one time he actually said "LOL" but pronounced it "loll" instead of "L-O-L"

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Dear god.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

we mocked him enough so that he hasn't done it since, at least.

strng hlkngtn, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

The next time he does this, you should backhand him and scream "PWNED!" into his bleeding face.

(xpost: Aw.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

Most of my friends are as immature as me. I have one friend that recently moved in with his g/f who was probably the worst out of all of us. He seems now to be trying (very hard) too outgrow us. I find it strange.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

It sounds like you need to make new friends that share your interests. People change, their interests change... That doesn't mean you have ditch these folks, you just need to assemble a new going-out-on-the-town crowd.

Absolutely otm. I've noticed this over the past 12 months, where a lot of the last decade's worth of close see-them-most-days friends no longer seem to share the same interests as me, or just don't think to call if something's going on which I may be interested in. I hope it's the former anyway, but it's probably the latter, which is infinitely sadder...

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

This makes me feel bad, cuz there are friends I don't see that much these days, but it's not for lack of shared interests or anything exactly, it's more like, lack of shared hang-out opportunities.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Banana Face struck a nerve there. There are certain things I would like to have accomplished, that I haven't, and I need help in some things, and it seems like more and more people are wary of me for this reason. It seems so unfair, I'm TRYING to live up to people's standards, yet whenever I make myself vulnerable, wanting assistance, I get that "It's your life", "can't help ya there (shrug, hands in air)","I'm pretty busy these days" reaction, and I feel like yelling, "If I'm such a burden why don't you just tell me to fuck off and leave it at that?" All my friends seem ashamed that they were ever associated with me in the first place!

HotDogFarm, Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I am misreading this, but imo 'immaturity' is nothing to cling to. However, if 'maturity' is defined as being narrow and dull, devoted to money and possessions, and passionate about nothing but one's children, then I suppose you might stretch 'immaturity' into standing for something positive and worthwhile. Maybe.

But these strike me as highly perverse conceptions of maturity and immaturity - and I would shudder to imagine what a person who embraces these would make out a concept like 'manhood'.

xpost

Aimless (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

It's all about growing up without growing old innit?

I'm doing my best to embrace certain facets of "mature" adult life - cohabitation, money management, long-term employment, general responsibility etc - without jettisoning my favourite "childlike" bits - passion, enthusiasm, single-mindedness, a wide-eyed fascination with new things etc.

But they're hard to reconcile: I find it easier if there's at least *someone* else on the same ride as you.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

I do not want to be offensive, but I wonder if, just like you think they always want to talk about renovations and babies (or whatever) perhaps your friends feel that you always or often want to talk about your problems and why your life has't turned out the way you want and how you wish you could have found someone great like they did, or got an interesting job...

It is fair enough to want to talk to your friends about problems and get their advice or support, but you have to have happy conversations with them as well, about things you are both interested in but don't have too much invested in, like a movie you liked or a nice recipe to try or something.

isadora (isadora), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 20:57 (twenty years ago)

It seems so unfair, I'm TRYING to live up to people's standards, yet whenever I make myself vulnerable, wanting assistance, I get that "It's your life", "can't help ya there (shrug, hands in air)","I'm pretty busy these days" reaction, and I feel like yelling, "If I'm such a burden why don't you just tell me to fuck off and leave it at that?"

My curiosity is burning - what is it you're saying/discussing/asking of your mates when around them to elicit such responses? I dont think I have ever had "well its your life" responses unless it is my parents telling me off for smoking or something. Are you trying to talk about PS/2 games with someone who doesnt care? Rambling on about taking drugs all weekend to a mother of two? YEah people change but I'm wondering what the differences are in this instance.

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 14 June 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

No, Charlie, it's because you're busy being all coupled up, and never have the TIME to do the funstuffs we want to do coz you're always off with your girlfriend and her family. :-P

The thing to do is to find new friends who also .... well, I find the whole concept of a adult roadplan, traditional or non-traditional, so stupid, that I would rather find friends who just don't think of life that way.

The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

sudden terrifying irrational but not implausible fear that all my best friends are coupling up and being with someone they love infinitely more than me

need to somehow get over this. fortunately, best friend's party is tomorrow, and he's been with the same girl for 5 years, but it's a weird time - I feel like everyone is moving on. not from me, but moving on somewhere else in their own lives. a place i can't even see let alone reach. this isn't a complaint about the lack of romance in my life (am pretty chill w/ this, sorta) but more about the fear of being disposable

LiveJournal (acoleuthic), Saturday, 27 March 2010 02:55 (sixteen years ago)

i hear that, feel largely the same way, though not even necessarily because my friends have all coupled up, but the friends i have left are probably just hanging around out of a sense of residual loyal obligation rather than that we have fun doing the same stuff together anymore or anything

Nhex, Saturday, 27 March 2010 02:59 (sixteen years ago)

This is kind of what I've been (badly) trying to articulate for a while now, only instead of "friends" substitute "entirely hypothetical peer group I was too socially maladapted to ever find in the first place." Although all of my relatives of a similar age and acquaintances from school are doing the career/marriage thing as well.

a black white asian pine ghost who is fake (Telephone thing), Saturday, 27 March 2010 05:27 (sixteen years ago)


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