Wimbledon 2005

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It chucked it down this morning in South London so immediately my mind was sent spinning SW19wards like a Henin-Hardenne backhand.

Three days into the Roehampton qualifiers, seedings this afternoon, draw tomorrow morning - I think it's time.

Agassi has withdrawn, which is a bit sad. It seems like only yesterday* that, as a callow 17-y-o, he was getting thrashed by Henri Leconte on court no.1 while I was queueing outside, unable to see anything. (* - I sleep heavily thesedays).

Federer still hasn't lost on grass since 2002 and Roddick hasn't lost on grass to anyone who wasn't Federer since 2002. Curious to see if the AELTC simply wrap the ranking list round a brick and lob it through Buster Mottram's window (he's had it coming) and just make A-Rod #2 to keep them apart in the draw.

The women's event is a bit more open, I think. This is a roundabout way of saying I haven't done my homework. Is Serena fit? (Don't answer that, Perry). Even if she is I can't see a Williams in the final this year. I'm backing Justine.

Get stuck in then.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

will snoop dogg be performing for the crowds a la cliff?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

Snoop? Is he going? I know of his love for Ivan Lendl.

Qualies report:

Guccione, who played a very entertaining match vs Henman at Queen's last week, nudged out Patience 23-21 in the third in their first round match before Losing To A Brit (Delgado). On the ATP tour it's not unknown for players to be forced to wear a badge (a teddy bear crying Union Jack tears) to show that they Lost To A Brit in the Roehampton qualies. Some can't stand the ridicule and the stigma and end up giving basketball clinics in Split. Gambill and Clement are still in there, watching the rain fall, waiting for their final qualifying matches, which is reassuring. Bit of a comedown for those two.

They don't hand out badges on the WTA tour - they don't have to. Plucky Mel South took a set off Rita Kuti Kis but the rest of the UK Grrlz folded like damp flatbread: taking a total of 25 games in 5 matches. I'm keen to see if Sybille BAMMER makes it.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Seeds:

Seeds for the Gentlemen's Singles:>

1. FEDERER, Roger (SUI)
2. RODDICK, Andy (USA)
3. HEWITT, Lleyton (AUS)
4. NADAL, Rafael (ESP)
5. SAFIN, Marat (RUS)
6. HENMAN, Tim (GBR)
7. CANAS, Guillermo (ARG)
8. DAVYDENKO, Nikolay (RUS)
9. GROSJEAN, Sebastien (FRA)
10. ANCIC, Mario (CRO)
11. JOHANSSON, Joachim (SWE)
12. JOHANSSON, Thomas (SWE)
13. ROBREDO, Tommy (ESP)
14. STEPANEK, Radek (CZE)
15. CORIA, Guillermo (ARG)
16. PUERTA, Mariano (ARG)
17. FERRER, David (ESP)
18. NALBANDIAN, David (ARG)
19. HAAS, Tommy (GER)
20. LJUBICIC, Ivan (CRO)
21. GONZALEZ, Fernando (CHI)
22. HRBATY, Dominik (SVK)
23. FERRERO, Juan Carlos (ESP)
24. DENT, Taylor (USA)
25. KIEFER, Nicolas (GER)
26. LOPEZ, Feliciano (ESP)
27. GASQUET, Richard (FRA)
28. NOVAK, Jiri (CZE)
29. MASSU, Nicolas (CHI)
30. SODERLING, Robin (SWE)
31. YOUZHNY, Mikhail (RUS)
32. VOLANDRI, Filippo (ITA)

Seeds for the Ladies' Singles:>

1. DAVENPORT Miss Lindsay (USA)
2. SHARAPOVA Miss Maria (RUS)
3. MAURESMO Miss Amelie (FRA)
4. WILLIAMS Miss Serena (USA)
5. KUZNETSOVA Miss Svetlana (RUS)
6. DEMENTIEVA Miss Elena (RUS)
7. HENIN-HARDENNE Mrs Justine (BEL)
8. PETROVA Miss Nadia (RUS)
9. MYSKINA Miss Anastasia (RUS)
10. SCHNYDER Miss Patty (SUI)
11. ZVONAREVA Miss Vera (RUS)
12. PIERCE Miss Mary (FRA)
13. LIKHOVTSEVA Miss Elena (RUS)
14. WILLIAMS Miss Venus (USA)
15. CLIJSTERS Miss Kim (BEL)
16. DECHY Miss Nathalie (FRA)
17. JANKOVIC Miss Jelena (SCG)
18. GOLOVIN Miss Tatiana (FRA)
19. IVANOVIC Miss Ana (SCG)
20. HANTUCHOVA Miss Daniela (SVK)
21. SCHIAVONE Miss Francesca (ITA)
22. FARINA ELIA Mrs Silvia (ITA)
23. SUGIYAMA Miss Ai (JPN)
24. ASAGOE Miss Shinobu (JPN)
25. SPREM Miss Karolina (CRO)
26. PENNETTA Miss Flavia (ITA)
27. VAIDISOVA Miss Nicole (CZE)
28. FRAZIER Miss Amy (USA)
29. BARTOLI Miss Marion (FRA)
30. SAFINA Miss Dinara (RUS)
31. MEDINA GARRIGUES Miss Anabel (ESP)
32. RAZZANO Miss Virginie (FRA)

There ya go.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Miss Lindsay Davenport?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Yay three Italian lady seeds!

"Miss Amelie" sounds the cutest thing in the world. But it isn't. Oh no.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Woo, I'm going to Devonshire Park on Saturday for some ladies action, since I may not see much Wimbledon unless I sneak off to the TV room at work...

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I was going to start this today! My computer crashed, but great minds &c.

The one I'm watching in The Qualies is Miss Pironkova of Bulgaria, first name TSZVETANA!!!, who reached the semi-finals of her first ever WTA tournament last month.

Women's title is between Justine, Maria and Serena in that order I think. Justine is the mentally toughest woman on tour, on a million-match winning streak and has great grass-court game, but has never won it. Maria has been very consistent this year but keeps dropping sets to randoms and matches to Justine. Serena is probably the best grass-courter around but hasn't won a match of any sort for two months, and has pulled out of more events than she's completed this year. Everyone else = mental midget headcase type, expect CHOKING to ensue.

Is Davenport a Miss because she keeps her maiden name as her professional name?

Oh my, Serena and Venus could meet in the 4th round.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

I'm so sad I won't be around for the draw! But I might be going to Wimbledon next...Tuesday, maybe? As long as Sonar doesn't leave me bedridden for a week.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Is Justine a big threat on grass?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

I would say so. She got to her first ever Slam final here and took a set off a then-dominant Venus, and that was before she a) buffed up and b) gained hella confidence and mental strength from being a multiple Slam winner. And the tendency on the women's tour, unlike the men's, is actually for superb claycourters (of the finesse sort, rather than the defensive sort) to translate very well to grass - grass rewards spins and net play and drop shots just as much as clay, and Justine excels there. PLUS she has enough strength to be considered a power player and take advantage of the surface in the same way they do as well.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Tuesday sounds like entertainment, except hopefully I will have somehow magicked a job from somewhere by then so p'raps not.

The new BBC trailers are intriguing, as they seem to be offering the vague prospect of ChakChakChak's girly forehand causing her to shatter into a thousand pieces. This is a notch up from last year's effort, with Mac detailing the great storylines the tournament had, almost exclusively involving players that didn't turn up. Nice way to portend the Lleytz-Clidge break-up too.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Anna Chakvetadze is in the BBC trailers? Now I love Miss !!! to bits, but even I would admit that is a strange choice of poster girl.

If the BBC had any sense they'd be playing the Venus and Serena line from 'Signs' over the trailers.

Hopefully I will also have magicked up a job by Tuesday but let's face it this won't be happening. I'd be up for queueing for a ground pass from early morning. Email me if you would also like this, I won't be back til Sunday.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Thing with Justine that's surprising is that she was such an adorable, slight thing, she's buffed up (The Buff Elf indeed) and actually hasn't dropped off at all cf, say... Martina Hingis's ill-fated attempts to do similar.

I heart Justine so much, she should walk this tournament.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 16 June 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

Bammer in the Sammer: plucky Austrian Sybille downed by Meilen Tu but Lex's pick Pironkova is into the final qualifying round. There are too many Ks and Vs in that part of the draw - it's like an end-game Scrabble nightmare. My new favourite is Maro Santangelo, purely because she's a couple of vowels away from having the same name as a girl I fancied when I was 12.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 16 June 2005 07:25 (twenty years ago)

Well, it isn't actually the Chakattak herself, it's two actress types shot with blurringness, but they bear a certain resemblance to The Ginger Princess and The Mirzbow. Which is odd, given that they're doubles partners. It's a blooming odd commercial in any case, one of those along the lines of WE ARE TOO SOFT ON BRITISH TENNIS PLAYERS, THE ONLY REASON HENPERSON HAS NOT WON WIMBLEDON IS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT PUT ENOUGH PRESSURE ON HIM etc.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

I predict an early exit for Tim Maniac this year.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 16 June 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

Myskina's rubbish now isn't she? A pity, I like her.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 16 June 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

Draws made:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/4094998.stm for the men

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/4095022.stm for the women

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Scanning down the draws...

Nothing leaps out in Federer's quarter. Hewitt-Blake potential r2 ding-dong. Safin has a murderous segment: Srichaphan, Poup & Ancic await. Two of our ALL-TIME FAVES square off in the third quarter: Schalkin' Vac and Starchy Tito! Henbot has a really nasty one first up in Niemenen...Arthurs lurks in r3 and Grosjean in r4; a real achievement for Timmy to fulfil his seeding this year. Ljubicic is the scariest seed in Roddick's path but Ivo Karlovic is waiting in r2.

Third round clash for Clidge and Ai Sug? Can Suarez upset La Mesmo? Pierce-Henin r4 tie likely and, get this Second Monday organisers, Venus-Serena! They should both be Centre Court (if they happen) and sod the blokes. Should S(p)esil K deal with the feeble threat of Amanda Janes, it'll be Sharapova in r2.

Back with QF predictions later...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

Federer-Johansson J
Hewitt-Ancic
Haas-Stepanek
Grosjean-Ljubicic

Clijsters-Asagoe
Mauresmo-Dementieva
HeninHardenne-Hantuchova*
Schiavone-Sharapova

(* - no Venus-Serena in r4 after all?)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

Federer vs. JoJo (momentarily thought maybe Greg could get past, but probably not)
Hewitt vs. Ancic (Ancic will have the much harder task getting there)
Wawrinka vs. Nalbandian (admittedly, French Open form might not be a guide... but there's gotta be one player that emerges, and Swiss Stan looks as likely as any)
Grosjean vs. Malisse (Betting on Tommy Haas never seems like much of an idea)

Clisters vs. Schnyder
Sprem vs. Frazier (the Murphy's Law quarter - if they can go wrong, they will)
JHH vs. Serena
Razzano vs. Sharapova


William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Bloody hell. Eastbourne coverage on BBC2 (and online). Natalie Dechy is wearing TROUSERS.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

As in, playing in TROUSERS plus sleeveless top combo. Very Charlie's Angels.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

Federer vs Davydenko (not JoJo, please. Enough with the boring big servers)
Hewitt vs Ancic (unanimity! this means neither will make it.)
Canas vs Nadal (or, the What Surface? quarter)
Grosjean vs Soderling (the latter may just be because I really want him to bead Dickface in r3)

Clijsters vs Kuznetsova
Sprem vs Jankovic (for the jokes, mostly)
Henin-Hardenne vs Serena
Zvonareva vs Sharapova

Is there, is there, a reason for Roddick to have been promoted to #2 seed ahead of Hewitt?

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

He's sexier?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

As I'm sure you know, the AELTC can rework the order of the top 32 men to their tastes and, for some reason, they feel 2003 sf/2004 f beats 2002 champion/2004 qf. Maybe the Queens hat-trick had something to do with it too.

I don't like the fact that we all seem to think Pandy's gonna fall before the second Wednesday. Cos you know what that actually means will happen...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

He's... quite tall. And has a proud, manly jaw. And tidy hair.

Got my reasons for Malisse confused - Karlo does for Dicko. Igo does for Karlo. And Malisse does for him. I reckon.

Gonzalez will be the first seed to go. Mackin's victory leads to brief talk of revival in British men's tennis. This ends by the fourth round.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

Plus, Andy's hexed by CURSE OF ADVERT (i.e. American Express). Did for Agassi, did it no?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

First round seeds to fall:

Youzhny (to Baghdatis)
Davydenko (to Draper)
Massu (to Sargsian)
Nadal (to Spadea - gnarled, cynical, biggest-losing-streak-in-tennis-history Vince will asnnoy him into submission)
Henman (to Nieminen)
Volandri (to Arthurs)

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

haha fwiw I wz going to predict roddick.

I'm hoping safin does well, despite the tough draw.

(what time do ppl start queueing again? plz don't tell me thousands of ppl sleep overnight - sorry to ask but couldn't find the advice given last year (when I didn't go but its looking better this year), i searched for a bit earlier and now the search is slow...)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

roddick for the quarters i mean.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

MARIA ELENA CAMERIN I LOVE YOU - BEAT NATHALIE DECHY FOR ME!

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

Insert theme from 'War Of The Worlds' here

Bear in mind, however, Dechy now has Magic Trousers.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

Day 4 for the men at Roehampton was all retirements and five-setters. Seppi reached the main draw after recovering from two sets down vs Simon, but he was the only Eyetie to survive; Jeff Morrison (who I seem to remember comparing to Charlie Pasarell in a moment of washed-out 70s film-stock nostalgia a while back) also through in five over Falla. J-M Gambill doesn't make it - he retired at 2-6 4-5 vs Noam Okun, complaining that his pelvis felt like it was made of helicopters. Gimstelstob withdrew after one game vs Sampras-conquering Georgie Bastl when he realised he'd left the bleedin' iron on. Bracciali almost finished off Garcia in the 4th t-b but, forced to go to a decider, three-fifths of his blood turned to milk and the Chilean got the pass to SW19. Tobias Summerer is also through. No bummerer.

In the women's, Pironkova doesn't make it but Santangelo does. In the I-should-bloody-well-hope-so column, Els Callens and Ashley Harkleroad are there. As is Sofia Arvissson. It's about time we had a good Swede.

In the realm of the unfinished, we have a Brit whose storming comeback was stunted in the gloom: Delgado back from 2-6 5-7 vs Goldstein to level the match; Moodie-Djokovic also 2-2 overnight. And that's your lot.

Forecast for weekend is high-80s in London...but Monday is showers. :(

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 17 June 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

there, is there, a reason for Roddick to have been promoted to #2 seed ahead of Hewitt?

Roddick won Queens for the third year in a row. Hewitt got kicked out by Karlovic. So yeah Roddick will probably do better this year on Wimbledon. (Also because Hewitt's been injured)

Ludo (Ludo), Friday, 17 June 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)

There is also supposed to be some mysterious grass-court ranking list which the AELTC use to re-order the top 32, but I've never seen it. I think we can presume that they simply use the Indesit Entry Ranking points from Halle, Queens, etc. but I imagine over more than just the last 12 months.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 17 June 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

C'mon Jamie, I've got five albums worth of puns riding on you... (he's currently PULLING THE WIRES FROM THE WALL at 3-0 up in the fifth)

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 17 June 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, has he been accused of stealing any points by a grumpy opponent?

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 17 June 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

Jamie D has only ever played two GS matches outside of Wimbledon (where I presume he's had a few wildcards over the years) - first-round defeats in Melbourne and New York in 2000. Never ranked inside the top 120, he has career earnings of around $400k. Which, considering he turned pro in 1995, means I made a better "career 'choice'" than he did.

He's serving for a place at his 11th Championships - 5-2.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 17 June 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

Delgado is through to face...well, maybe Georgie Bastl if they simply drop into the main draw in the order of the qualifying draw (Q3 v Q4 is a match in the second quarter). If he loses it'll be a repeat failure.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 17 June 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

$40k a year? Hardly leaning on a cane, then.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 17 June 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

Ancic and Clijsters won grasscourt events over the weekend, so shorten their odds if you're in the mood. AssCan pulled out so we now have a 33rd seed - one of the Rochi.

After a sweltering Sunday the weather looks likely to break this morning in London. Let's get the thunderstorm out of the way before 1pm, yeah?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

It's starting now, so hopefully the grumbling will be over in an hour or so. Mind, Yorkshire got flooded last night with this storm's sibling, so errk...

Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

Hello hello hello! I am back. This is my corpse typing after the excesses of Sónar left me dead (in the best possible way obv). It's ridiculously hot in the UK! It's like I haven't left Spain.

Re: seedings - there is a mysterious "grass court formula" which has never been revealed, usually it takes the form of "fiddle about with player's actual ranking + past grass record so that the Henbot gets promoted a bit". They don't bother for the women.

Last minute predictions -

Clijsters v Kuznetsova
Mauresmo v Jankovic
Henin-Hardenne v S.Williams
Razzano v Sharapova

Federer v J.Johansson
Hewitt v Safin
O.Rochus v Gasquet
Grosjean v Roddick

I will be attending Wimbledon tomorrow (weather pending), queuing up from early o'clock and getting a ground pass. Londoners without prior work commitments, fancy joining me?

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 20 June 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

And they're off! Main story so far is that Batty Patty is currently getting a full-on rinsing at the hands of one of the Serra-Zanetti's - currently 5-1 down in the first, though she did just get a break of serve in the last game. Now she just needs another four or five games on the spin.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)

Well, she hauls it back to 6-4, but that's a set down in any case. Your new seed in danger... it's the Princess. Loses the first set 7-5 to world #145 Katerina Bohmova. She's Czech.

Elsewhere - Shaughnessy vs. Schruff IS WAR - Mighty Meg takes the first 6-1, only for The Shambler to take the second by exactly the same score. Oh, and Chakkatakk IS ROBBED of the first set by Jankovic 6-4. Janko-BITCH, more like. Yeah.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

The BBC showed Keothavong v Diaz-Oliva. It was dreadful. MDO won the first set by dint of sometimes hitting the ball into the court.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)

First winners of the day - MDO, LiquorLocker, Jankobitch. Patty has a tie-break to stay in the tournament. Meg 5-2 up on Schruff in the third.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

Meg muscles through. Arvidsson does for Perebiynis in straight sets.

Fedge's Road To Glory starts against PHM. He's 5-3 up, but two of Paul-Henri's three have been won against serve. He's a plucky young feller, no?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

I know that he is best in hardcourts but he took a set off fed in halle.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

It's because watching someone be technically amazing is kind of interesting up to a point. Drama comes from competition, from a degree of unpredictability. Anyone really think he was going to lsoe this? And if they did, did they think so after the first?

Masterclasses - whatever else they are - aren't really where sport draws it's energy from.

Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

All the sporting people I really dislike (Sampras, Tiger Woods, Courier etc) have been excellent, consistent and really fucking boring. This is why I am going off Federer.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Dave and Ailsa both right, of course. A sporting contest in which one has a vested interest doesn't have to be dramatic to be satisfying - Everton beating Watford 2-0 in the '84 Cup final was, I'm sure to most, a dismal spectacle but it was magical to me. Vice versa with the recent Champs Lge final (I could only enjoy the first non-competitive half).

So, today, rather selfishly, I want to see a thumping.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Michael OTM. To love tennis in the Federer era, just hate Roddick. It may come surprisingly naturally.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Of course, if you hate Hewitt as well, it's probably TWICE as enjoyable. (I don't, though)

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Isn't part of it that to be really, really good, you have to dedicate yourself to such a degree that you simply aren't, temperamentally, like th rest of us. That's why McEnroe will always be liekd better than a Borg, a Becker more than an Edberg.

Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Feddy breaks with a few casually astonishing passing shots: 4-3.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Becker was liked more than Edberg? Good grief, I always thought it was the other way round.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah I'm enjoying this, btw. another 5-10 mins and its over.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

DB is pushing all my buttons today - I loved Borg and hated McEnroe (only warming to JPMc post-'86 sabbatical) and loved Edberg and detested Becker! More later...Fed to serve for it...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

GLEE!

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I liked the way Federer started blubbing as soon as he'd won, after being totally impassive during the match. Awww.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

No-one liked Becker, did they? I thought he'd just rehabilitated his way into the national consciousness by shagging models in broom cupboards and never getting off the telly, making everyone forget how he was really annoying as a player.

I wuvved Edberg. Now *there* was a grass court player (*drifts back to rose-tinted summers in the late 80s*).

(x-post that was a cunning disguise to mask the fact that he's a just an emotion-free tennis-bot)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

The commentators are going a bit overboard, aren't they? ("This is the best run sporting event in the world")

Is this still a pathetic attempt to get the Olympics?

(Hahaha, Roddick "I could do with a beer just now")

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Sue Barker: "What can you do to beat him?"
A-Rod: "Punch him?"

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Federer: big nose. only personal or professional flaw apparently.

Aaron A., Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I hate Federer, smug git.

Sue B: "We didn't think you could get any better, but it seems that you have"
Rog: "Yes, I guess so" (smug grin)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

"Maybe I should just punch him or something."

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

(oops, xpost...pardon the transatlantic transmission delay)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

I hate that Federer used to have a silly ponytail but has become a bit rowr since he cut it off.

(I'm developing silly reasons to dislike him now, just because I feel it's time)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Roddick is the Chris Evert of the men's game. Preppy guy, probably more fun to have a beer with, and a really good player hampered by having to play tennis at the same time as someone even better.

Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

(have we congratulated Mike on his amazing foresight in the initial post "I can't see a Williams in the final this year. I'm backing Justine"? I though you were the expert!)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Isn't part of it that to be really, really good, you have to dedicate yourself to such a degree that you simply aren't, temperamentally, like th rest of us.

The problem with this argument is that McEnroe (in 1984 particularly) was supremely dominant in a manner only matched by Federer last year and Becker won as many GS titles as (and a greater number of other titles than) the supposedly ice-cool Edberg. To be honest, Borg is the only example I can think of someone who totally sublimated a vicious temper to such an extent that he showed no emotion on court. Everyone else has their occasional wig-outs.

As for Roddick's awkwardness being potentially endearing - there was a South Carolina leftie called Tim Wilkison who was active in the '80s who I recall having a similarly unorthodox, ungainly scrapping style. I really loved watching him whereas I can't warm to Roddick - perhaps it was Timbo's lack of a 145mph serve and his eternal loserdom status which made him a wee bit cuddlier.

No one reigns for long in tennis - as supreme as he seems now, Rodge will be swallowed up by the pack over the next 3-4 years; he'll have to fight off Nadal, Gasquet and the rest of the teens. I personally would like to see him do a calendar-year Slam like Laver. And if Roddick simply has Becker's career minus the three Wimbledon titles, I'll settle for that too.

(Ailsa, my predictions are famously rotten! The year I got 10 of the 16 quarterfinalists across both events I practically did a lap of honour round Westow Park.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Moment I realised I detested Roddick: visor-wearing at the 2003 Australian open. He's only gone downhill in my estimation because every vaguely endearing thing he does seems a bit... phoney. I cannot explain this any further it is possibly a load of horseshit but STILL.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

(I got 6 of 16 this year, btw. WBS got five, as did Edward O - but Lex WINS with seven. He gets a paint-splattered pair of size-12 Puma Guillermo Vilas [no laces] and a 9-minute David Lloyd motivational seminar in Chepstow. Prizes must be claimed by 4:49pm BST today; no cash equivalent.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Oh bollocks I knew that staying in front of the TV so as not to miss a second of Andrew Castle's spectacularly inane insights would cost me.

Well well well that was quite special.

I agree with all of those who say that sport draws its energy from rivalries not masterclasses BUT:

a) Federer is exception to all known rules - he plays at such a level that watching his masterclasses just feels like a privilege. No one else I have ever seen on a tennis court comes close. Conversely, any time when he's NOT playing this well feels a bit like a let down.

b) There are rivalries in men's tennis, still - it's just that none of them come to fruition at Wimbledon. Hewitt and Roddick are the next two best grass courters, and they're not so much Federer's rivals as his bitches. Roddick has only beaten Fed once ever! That is not a rivalry to hype up. However, Safin can match Federer elsewhere (well, potentially on grass too if he sorts his head out, but that's not gonna happen), and the emergence of Nadal and Gasquet bodes very well - especially as Gasquet has taken such a liking to grass.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 3 July 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

ROLL OF HONOUR

Men's singles: Roger Federer
Women's singles: Venus Williams
Men's doubles: Stephen Huss and Wesley Moodie
Women's doubles: Cara Black and Liezel Huber
Mixed doubles: Mahesh Bhupathi and Mary Pierce
Boys' singles: Jeremy Chardy
Girls' singles: Agnieszka Radwanska
Boys' doubles: Jesse Levine and Michael Shabaz
Girls' doubles: Viktoria Azarenka and Agnes Szavay

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 3 July 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

andrew castle is so awful

c/n (Cozen), Sunday, 3 July 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Memo to American Express: runner-up silver salva will, with a bit of bubble wrap, fit comfortably into hand luggage. You may consider re-editing your TV ad.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

It would be nice to have a genuinely great grass court specialist a la Sampras to challenge Rog at SW19, right now. Still, yes, a priviledge to watch. I spent most of the final simply laughing in disbelief at some of those shots.

Side note: how long will Martina keep going before she just gives up on the record?

Ally C (Ally C), Sunday, 3 July 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

Fancy Watford getting to the FA Cup Final, eh?

I still like Borg best. And James Hunt. And Barry Sheene.

Jimmy Connors will be forever associated with Glen Campbell. I guess it is/was his/their wholesomeness.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 July 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

new men's rankings -

1. Roger Federer (1)
2. Lleyotn Hewitt (2)
3. Rafael Nadal (3)
4. Andy Roddick (4)
5. Marat Safin (5)
6. Andre Agassi (6)
7. Nikolay Davydenko (7)
8. Guillermo Canas (8)
9. Thomas Johansson (22)
10. David Nalbandian (19)
11. Tim Henman (9)
12. Mariano Puerta (11)
13. Gaston Gaudio (12)
14. Joachim Johansson (10)
15. Guillermo Coria (18)
16. Radek Stepanek (13)
17. Richard Gasquet (20)
18. Fernando Gonzalez (24)
19. Ivan Ljubicic (16)
20. Tommy Robredo (14)

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 4 July 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)

Other big movers: Ancic plops down to 32, Djokovic and Gimelstob are back inside the top 100, Sjeng Schalken plummets to 201 from 89 and Andy Murray is now the world number 213! That's 1,038 places ahead of his arguably more handsome brother.

I thought Connors was OK throughout the event (his greatest quality was his genuine, and apparently newly-rediscovered, excitement for the game and the event) but he let himself down by repeatedly calling Roddick the "number two player in the world". Not for a good few months, Jimmy - and maybe not any time soon either.

I just wrote a long diatribe about Roddick having the worst placement of any of the Giant Servers but I think this thread has a surplus of Pandybashing already, so I've deleted it.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 July 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

I whibnk we should look at the 2004 thread and see whether our verdicts on that final hold for this one.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

safin is v unpredictable - yes he could never get it together on grass but you really never know. I think he'll have one good year at wimbledon.

Connors' 'hm' after almost every point got annoying but I liked him.

Coverage in the times turned to fed's genius but again people are not looking at his opponent closely enough - there was no authority to roddick's passage to the final!!! he wz taken to five by the 1st week. If anyone believed he could beat fed he had to give better signs.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

I just skimmed the 2004 thread on Pinefox's suggestion...

Roddick '04 seemed to tough out tight sets better than Roddick '05, though I frequently seemed to be outraged on the old thread about his perceived jamminess. His backhand hasn't improved, he's a wee bit better at (and keener to approach) the net but he just can't sustain the ace barrages any more. Federer started last year's tournament chugging along at about 75%, peaked in the qf vs Hewitt and then went off the boil; this year Fedz started a little weaker, hit top form in the latter stages vs Ferrero in r4 and basically stayed there. Federer '03 was wonderful throughout but, if I remember correctly, he had an easier draw, attacked the net a lot more and we didn't have quite such high expectations of him then.

In terms of games won, only Mathieu and Minar offered less resistance to Federer this year than Roddick.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

I note that Roddick won less games in his final than Davenport did in hers. This happened to Hewitt at the US Open, too.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

Connors' 'hm' after almost every point got annoying but I liked him.

what about..: "player X at full stretch here".

Ludo (Ludo), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

In terms of games won, only Mathieu and Minar offered less resistance to Federer this year than Roddick.

Which means that Roddick is unsuitble to be promoted to #2 seeding, if you ask me. Except because he got to the final, it'll happen again next year, even though he only got there this year because he got pr... etc.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

I thought I had written something after the last final, saying that Roddick looked like a sheep against a goat, a man against a boy, a Vauxhall Conferencer vs a Premier Ship - something to that effect - and Mike had said: yes, PF, but he's young, he'll improve. (Possibly this was all e-mail, not ilx?) Whereas, amusingly in a way, it seems that he hasn't, yet; and as Mike says, others in the top 5 look much better placed to beat Federer. Unlike A-Rod, I think he (A-Rod) was worse this year than last.

The sense of deja vu about the final was quite satisfying, to me.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

I remember those comments of yours, PF - but they were on the Wimb '03 thread, about the RF-AR semifinal (which was, by a whisker, more of a thrashing than Sunday). Roddick at that time seemed like an energy bomb of raw talent, perhaps (with hindsight) in need of a finishing school sheen rather than the hustlers' crash-course he got from Gilbert. It was his preferential treatment at the rain-decimated US Open that year (and subsequent rise to #1 on the basis of his hot North American hardcourt summer) that focused my dislike. I wonder what Roddick's win-loss record is outside his home continent? Or outside English-speaking nations?

Edward O OTM. If AELTC really use a 24-month grasscourt ranking system then, even if Roddick is outside the #10 on the Entry System next June, he'll be #2 seed again if he does even moderately well at Queen's '06. To be honest, it's Lleyts who might slide during the rest of this year; Nadal may press for #2 now.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

I wonder what Roddick's win-loss record is outside his home continent? Or outside English-speaking nations?

26-8 for the former, an astonishingly poor 10-6 for the latter over the past year.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

'Lleyts'!

2003? Gosh, time flies. But it is still amusing, or perhaps metaphysically interesting, that they have had virtually the same match three years running.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Not so, PF, surely? In last year's final, Roddick was quick out of the blocks, Federer was flat and was saved (so goes received opinion) only by a rain break at 2-4 in the 3rd set.

I think the popular perception of last year's final as a match that Roddick was unlucky to lose perhaps glosses over the fact that he was tremendous fortunate to find himself up against a man nowhere near his best on such a big occasion (which is atypical in itself - 21 consecutive winning finals and counting). But at least that made it a contest.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

I think my memory must have been afflicted and warped by the gabble of the so-called media and that. I had had a notion that Roddick went at RF and had a good go at him, but it was somehow dispelled over the weekend amid the talk of Federian perfection.

Incidentally - didn't you think: during the Final, they were often talking about Federer's inability to mishit a shot immediately after he had hit a ball into the net, been faulted on a serve, was 30-love down or whatever. The rhetoric tended to overtake what was happening on the green ground, even if the final score was emphatic enough.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

It's true - Federer does have a Borgian tendency for the absolute howler; in Bjorn's day they used to blame his exaggerated topspin and string tension - perhaps RF is continually playing a game of low-tolerances in the manner in which he strikes the ball. When he gets it right, he puts more 'work' on the ball than most, when he gets it wrong it flies anywhere. He seems to use a racket with an unusually small head by '00s standards.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Also, "Federer's only weakness - he's just too good: he has so many shots he doesn't know which one to play".

(Recite in Andrew Castle voice.)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

It is remarkable, I think, that this year's Wimbledon thread has only really come into its own and blossomed forth like a dew-drenched rose once the tournament has finished.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Thursday, 7 July 2005 06:54 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

the pinefox, Thursday, 7 July 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)


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