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I've been working on a new website for a little while now, and I'm finally releasing it into the world. There's only about 50 pages of it so far, which is barely scratching the surface of what I want to do, but it's a start - and since there is no concept of 'finishing', I may as well open it up now. It's at www.japanese-arts.net, and the only parts that exist so far (this info also in the update log) are:

several pages of waffle under 'the site'
one page under 'thematic routes' setting my stall out
painting/general: formats, media, realism, portraiture
and the main area I've been working on:
painting/printmaking - there are 30 pages or so here

I hope anyone interested (no obligation - most people have no interest in the subject) can find their way around. I am interested in any feedback, especially constructive criticism. And if anyone is on a dialup, do any of the pics take horribly long? The image on http://www.japanese-arts.net/painting/artists_hiroshige.htm is the largest, I believe.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

martin, this is stunningly beautiful!

teeny (teeny), Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm on dial up at the moment. The image didn't take supre long to load, although it appears many of the links in the left collumn aren't working for me. Nicely set out though, I plan to give it some more time later on, particularly the laquer work section.

You fondle my trigger then you blame my gun / Kate (papa november), Thursday, 16 June 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, Teeny!

Most of them aren't in place yet, Kate - it took ages to write a fraction of the painting one, and the rest will take much longer. I've only made a few notes for the lacquerwork section so far.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 16 June 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

looks nice.

metal detective (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 16 June 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

Well keep us updated, I think it'll be a great resource.

You fondle my trigger then you blame my gun / Kate (papa november), Thursday, 16 June 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

awesome!

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Thursday, 16 June 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

I think I'll indulge myself with one revival of this...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Good stuff Martin, I'd suggest you deactivate some of the hyperlinks until the page is active. A little frustrating navigating to dead pages. Having said that, what's there is great and truly a labour of love.

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Look forward to reading the content when it appears. Design is simple and logical - tho you could amend the stylesheet so that the black strip and beige-ish background run all the way down the page (in Firefox at least) that'd get rid of the white space. Nice job.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 17 June 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Ah - they do run all the way down for me. I guess at different resolutions they don't. I guess I need a height=100% in there.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 17 June 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I've done that. Anyone know if there are any statistics on what resolutions people have these days?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 17 June 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

You should shoot for 800x600, I think, although the chrome and scrollbars and menus make the actual viewable area of yr page a bit smaller.

Martin this looks really great!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 17 June 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

I couldn't quite bear to design for 800x600 - it'd be hard to make it look good for that and two or three sizes up from there. That's why I was working to the next size up, so I hoped it'd then look okay at three major resolutions. That's why I want to know, really, who's on what size, so I can know who to design for, what to test.

Hmm, at least one page does go badly wrong at 800x600, dammit. Must start defining sizes more by percentages!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

fucking genius, and the best of what the web can be

anthony easton (anthony), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

fantastic!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

This is very nice stuff, Martin.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 17 June 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

seriously, i can't wait till i have some spare time to nose around in this stuff. it looks great.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 17 June 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Thanks all! But there isn't too much to nose around in yet. There will be more, and I dare say I'll revive this or let people know in some other way when a substantial amount of new stuff has appeared.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 17 June 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Martin, this is brilliant, I've stuck it in my favourites already. I've been interested in Japanese Art for a long time. I guess you know about this Hiroshige Page; I love your idea of juxtaposing pictures from very different media. More soon please!

Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Friday, 17 June 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

That's great - I hadn't seen that site, and will link to it.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 17 June 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Finally a website to break ILXor.com's monopoly on my web time. What a wonderful hobby you have taken on! Gokurosan!

I'd suggest you deactivate some of the hyperlinks until the page is active. A little frustrating navigating to dead pages.

the dead links (esp. to comics and gardening) are such a TEASE! Maybe just put a little asterix next to the unavailable ones for now or at least change the link color or something. Otherwise I wish you the best with this project!

django (django), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

It's such a pain propagating those changes through to what is already fifty pages and growing - and will become intolerably so in time - what with updating the template and each page with as yet unfulfilled other links, FTPing them all to the hoster and so on. It's why I explain that most are dead, and offer the update log.

Comics and gardening won't be coming in the next few weeks, but they are both pretty high on my list. I have written about both a bit on Freaky Trigger. Actually, I should dig up some of my old articles on Japanese comics - they go back to the '80s.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 17 June 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

Then again - I have changed it so it should be obvious which sections have anything in them so far. And I've added the other sections I want to write on the menu - there were several omitted when I was putting this together.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 17 June 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Lovely stuff Martin! Are these well out of copyright pics? If they are will you provide any larger-format versions, say for printing? I'd love to have prints of some of this stuff on my walls you see!

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 18 June 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

That's very impressive Martin!

Orbit (Orbit), Saturday, 18 June 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure what the status of photos of works of art is. Obviously the art itself is long out of copyright (the latest stuff I've included so far is 19th C), so it's hard to see how a particular photo of it (straight on, just the art) could be copyrighted. I was just seeking images that were suitable for the site rather than ones that would look good at poster size, so I can't be any immediate help. Many of the prints are available that way - certainly there are lots by the big three (Hokusai, Hiroshige, Utamaro) that are issued as posters in various sizes. There are websites if your local stores can't help.

I was nervous about embarking on this whole project - it's so huge. I started with an easy one, Edo prints being very well contained in technical, geographic and chronological terms, and the most popular Japanese art in the world at large, and offering no great difficulties. Next I really want to to Zen painting, because it's my favourite area and because it leads on to all kinds of other areas, and allows me to start making the links that I want the site to be all about. It'll link on to Zen as an idea, garden design, poetry (especially haiku), ceramics (especially the rustic bowls), the tea ceremony, calligraphy... This is daunting because it's really hard to explain the ideas behind it, and the art itself - there are the most aggressively exciting landscapes ever painted, cute monkeys (as on the welcome page) and single-stroke circles to try to pull together. Still, no point in embarking on something like this if I'm not going to bite the bullet for the hard parts...

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 18 June 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

I thought I'd do the rest of pre-modern painting first. I've just uploaded the rest of painting/general, all of painting/early painting, all of painting/schools of art except the Nanga subsection (they are a late school pretty tied in to Zen, so I'll write that with the Zen section, which I am doing next). That's another almost-50 pages. I'm having fun. http://www.japanese-arts.net, if you are interested. I particularly recommend http://www.japanese-arts.net/painting/gen_calligraphy_poetry.htm, both for a fantastic image and for my use of 'u r all gay'.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 24 June 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

(martin, pages are missing titles. it's a small thing but worth doing)

was a great painting in the swords exhibition at BM recently. tryptich, reminded me of those insanely detailed Paul Darrow or Frank Miller splashpages. samurai, HUNDREDS of arrows. any ideas?

also, bought a postcard featuring woodcut of a frog from the shop. Frog by Matsumoto Hoji from "Meika Gafu". seems to defy google.

koogs (koogs), Saturday, 25 June 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

Do you mean headings when you say titles, the big bold type we see there, or the lack of title-bar titles which, it is true, I forgot to put in anywhere? Other than the blue bar at the top of the browser, do they make any other difference?

I don't recall the painting - I did go to the BM show twice. Worth googling Yoshitoshi, perhaps - he's the only one I can think of who did that kind of thing - look at his page on my site, http://www.japanese-arts.net/painting/artists_yoshitoshi.htm, for the style, and he did a lot of triptyches and a fair amount of samurai prints.

The frog is, I would imagine, the third print on http://www.ready-to-hang.com/RTH_View_Page2.html. I already have it saved for future use! Why they have the artist's name in the title and then say it is by 'unknown' is beyond me.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 25 June 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

frog is, indeed, that frog.

title bar titles are also used as tab titles in firefox. without them i have multiple tabs that all say "htt....html" which is useless.

yoshitoshi (great name) is similar but nothing i've found by him is quite right. i seem to remember the name 'utagawa' but that's probably japanese for 'smith'

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Right, we've got it. Utagawa = name of school of artists, many of whom used the name, though some didn't (e.g. the great Hiroshige). The artist you are looking for is Yoshitoshi's teacher and master, Utagawa Kuniyoshi. I thought of him before, but since I don't have a section on him on my site, I leaned towards his pupil! Google by the second name. The set 'A Hundred And Eight Heroes of the Suikoden' is a good bet for the image you recall. I only have a few repros of his work to hand - the Rorihakuto Chojun print could almost be what you mention, but probably isn't.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

four weeks pass...
A revive because I have put up over 30 pages as a Zen Painting section, http://www.japanese-arts.net/painting/zenpainting.htm. There are quite a few images, so may be annoying if you are on dialup. Sorry - I couldn't resist.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 27 July 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
Another revive because I've put a few new pages up, under painting/schools of art/Nanga. Some pages about something other than painting to come soon!

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 20 August 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

and another 23 new pages today, these on sculpture, fulfilling yesterday's pledge.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 21 August 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

For me, Japan is not something to honour by exploring and understanding, it's a repository of things to stimulate and entertain me, and my understanding is pulled along by that.

Geezaesthetics! (Right?)

the bellefox, Sunday, 21 August 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure how well I understand the term, but I am aware that some of the ways I relate to art fit with it pretty well. I think that's why I felt on the same wavelength as Freaky Trigger and many of its contributors.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 21 August 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

I'm really enjoying yr site, thanks.

jeffrey (johnson), Sunday, 21 August 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

thank you - I'm enjoying building it.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 21 August 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...
I just released a new section on my website - 43 pages on comics, starting at http://www.japanese-arts.net/comics/comics_index.htm. I'm not that thrilled with it, but I was keen to get something new released, after three months of nothing, and I can go back and extend and improve parts whenever I feel like it - though really I think I'm more keen on moving on to lacquerware or maybe garden design next.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

Martin, your site's really lovely, and it's been useful to me - we acquired some Japanese pieces from a great-aunt who was stationed in Japan and you have put a lot of pertinent info together. So, thanks.

Have you read Ian Buruma's Behind the Mask? It might be of interest.

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 20 November 2005 01:54 (twenty years ago)

I haven't, no - what is it?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

"I knew very little of Zen before starting this work, just a vague notion of it not thinking much about deities, and being admired or revered by mostly stupid hippies. After reading a bunch of books, I have been able to properly develop the same kind of deep contempt I feel for other religions that I already knew well, particularly for its 'Ahhhh, do you see? Do you?' annoying koans and its official certificates of enlightenment."

Blimey...you certainly give a personal viewpoint.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 20 November 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)

It's the only one I've got.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

Martin, your site looks great! :-)

Nathalie (stevie nixed), Sunday, 20 November 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

Lovely comix Martin. You diss Zen make me sad. But no mind.

THIS IS THE SOUND OF ALTERN 8 !!! (noodle vague), Sunday, 20 November 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

Haha, I totally agree with Martin's views on Zen.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 20 November 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

It's nothing to be proud of :)

There is a point of view that zen isn't a religion as such, and that to say ...develop the same kind of deep contempt I feel for other religions that I already knew well makes the reader wonder how much the author knows about zen and religions in general...

Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 20 November 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

It surely makes it clear that I disagree with the point of view that it's not a religion. It is a branch of buddhism, and it is surely hard to argue that that isn't a religion.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Well, people do argue about it - perhaps somewhat unproductively.

Zen's classified as a branch of buddhism...but there is some debate over whether it is a religion as such, in the sense of having a set of principles you have to subscribe to. And, going wider, there are those who see buddhism as being more of a philosophy than a religion.

(that's why I said 'there is a point of view')

Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 20 November 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Whether they're catalogued as religions or as philosophies, I think both Zen and Buddhism in general are rub (though for different reasons). I don't think Martin was putting down Zen just because it's a religion, rather than for it's content.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 20 November 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

I was kind of saying that its less obviously religious nature had got it kind of a pass from me UNTIL I read about it in depth. That a near-universal goal is getting a certificate from your teacher saying that you have achieved enlightenment, rather points at subscribing to ideas. The metaphysical element, along with that, makes it a religion as far as I'm concerned. You were suggesting I was ignorant for not subscribing to that point of view you cited.

If someone convinces me that it is a philosophy, which seems highly unlikely since it is absolutely and fundamentally opposed to nearly everything philosophy is about, I will switch to having contempt for it as that instead.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Well, i can't argue with a closed mind (joking).

OK - I wasn't trying to convince you of anything; I was just saying that "ignorance" is a point of view that some people might take.

Actually, there's something refreshing about presenting zen painting without the usual reverence, and giving your personal view.

But now I'm curious how you'll get on with the rock gardens :)

Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 20 November 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

I think I'll cope with contempt from people who think it's idiotic to regard Zen as a religion. I would imagine I would cope with rock gardens as well or badly as with enso paintings, say.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

re: Behind the Mask - the subtitle is On the Sexual Demons, Sacred Mothers, Transvestites, Gangsters, Drifters and Other Japanese Cultural Heroes. I happened on a copy in a used bookstore (it may be out of print). Buruma covers a lot of territory, all as backdrop underlying the fantasy life of Japan. A quick search on ABE Books shows that's the US title - it was published in the UK as A Japanese Mirror: Heroes and Villians of Japanese Culture.

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 20 November 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Jaq - that sounds very much up my street. I've just added it to my wishlist.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Zen isn't a religion, the purest forms of Buddhism are not religions, Taoism isn't a religion. You could say that Buddhism is a philosophy with religious accretions. I don't want to get all angry and possessive - wouldn't be very Zen, would it? - but it seems strange to want to write off whole branches of philosophy because you've decided they're religions. I think Christianity is mostly a negative thing too, but that doesn't mean Theology isn't fascinating and important.

THIS IS THE SOUND OF ALTERN 8 !!! (noodle vague), Sunday, 20 November 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what you mean by writing off, nor why you think I am doing it on the basis that they are religions. Zen strikes me as nonsense, and that's still true if you tell me to regard it as a religion or as a philosophy. Why do you care what I think about them anyway? What are you and Bob Six getting so het up about here?

Actually, I'd still say that buddhism is a religion, and without philosophical accretions worth mentioning. Zen is unequivocally opposed to philosophy, unless you make up a useless new meaning of the word philosophy.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

Reading back it occurs to me that what irks you is more the religious accretions I mentioned. And that's never really affected my view of Eastern philosophy because I'm a Western bookworm who's approached this stuff via texts rather than professional (and therefore worthless?) Instructors. (Ezra Pound amongst others (I know he's channelling a source text but I can't remember what) is hilarious and righteous on the parasitical nature of Professional Buddhist Priests on Chinese civilisation.) But like I said I arrived at my interest and admiration thru texts, which are harder to fuck with. The Tao Te Ching is a thing of wonder and utility. In my world Hume and his unacknowledged love child Derrida are Zen as fuck. And all philosophies are tainted with metaphysics, even (or especially) Science.

THIS IS THE SOUND OF ALTERN 8 !!! (noodle vague), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm not het up Martin, I'm trying to politely and humourfully debate. I'm irked, mebbe, at yours and Tuomas' blithe dismissal of a whole chunk of culture that I care about without much in the way of explanation.

THIS IS THE SOUND OF ALTERN 8 !!! (noodle vague), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)

And I thought I was being quite reasonable too...

"I don't know what you mean by writing off...Zen strikes me as nonsense."

LOL

OK, the analogy is having a section on your website about the art of the Sistine Chapel and saying, "...I know very little about theology or the Catholic tradition except that it revered or admired by credulous church goers, but after reading a few books I regard it with the same contempt as I have for Eastern mumbo-jumbo."

Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 20 November 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, Noodle - I guess when two people seem to be taking the same side I can kind of end up tarring one with the same brush as the other. I'm not talking of Taoism there at all, of course, and wouldn't because I know so little, so my dismissal shouldn't be taken to include that, nor do I mean to have given an opinion regarding whether I think it's religion or philosophy. Zen is another matter - I've read a whole bunch of books, without exception treating it with admiration. It cannot be a philosophy - did you read my comments on this point on the site? http://www.japanese-arts.net/painting/zen_later.htm If you want to call it a philosophy, you surely throw away the meaning of the word philosophy. On the other hand, it does have rules and people to enforce its rules, people who decide if the practitioners are doing Zen properly, are enlightened and destined for nirvana. How is this different from priests deciding someone's holiness? The goal of Zen is beyond the world, beyond one's self, and with the priests (and organised structure of appointments as heads of temples and all that) and the rules and principles, I think there is a lot of work to do by way of argument to make a case for it being anything but a religion, even though there are some differences between it and many other religions.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if you've read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance. I think Robert Pirsig does a good job of explaining the possibility of Zen as a philosophical practice - I see it as a mission to grasp at "reality", not to deny it. I keep conflating it with Taoism because Taoism is an obvious key influence in the development of Zen.

Everything you've said about Zen as it is practised in Japan I'd agree with, but my perspective is that the School system is a later accretion on the Bodhidharma's original ideas, just as the religious aspects of Buddhism seem to me to be not derived from what we know about the thought of Siddhartha or the earliest surviving Buddhist tracts. Kind of like the forms that Christianity has taken are not necessarily implied by the reported teachings of Jebus.

My take on Eastern philosophy might be idiosyncratic and therefore fairly pointless in terms of thinking of it as philosophy. But I've come to the conclusion that in particular Zen, prob'ly due to the Taoist influence, is interested in grasping, not denying, reality: the quiddity of being. Which is why I think it's philosophical. Your mileage might well vary, obv.

THIS IS THE SOUND OF ALTERN 8 !!! (noodle vague), Sunday, 20 November 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, Noodle - I guess when two people seem to be taking the same side I can kind of end up tarring one with the same brush as the other.

Yeah,you've got to watch out for that Martin.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 20 November 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Yes, that page I linked to does address the difference between the brand of Zen that has come to the West (I've never had any interest in that Pirsig book) and that practised in Japan, and it's obviously the latter that is my concern on a website about Japanese arts. Zen has very, very little to do with the original Buddha's teachings, I think. Buddhism varies enormously in its various flavours, and clearly Zen and Taoism step much further away from any worship, any acknowledgement of or interest in deities than some other forms, so it's less definitively religious - but I think a philosophy has to have at least an approach to matters of logic and knowledge, rather than a refusal to acknowledge that those things have any relevance to the world, which is more or less Zen's position, at least in Asia.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

ok, this is my last word..

Bob Six (bobbysix), Sunday, 20 November 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

a refusal to acknowledge that matters of logic and knowledge have any relevance to the world IS an an approach to them!

doesn't zen boil down to the finger pointing at the moon parable? = it tries to deliver stories or art or acts aimed at stopping you obsessing about the finger (technique, belief system), when the point (ha!) is the moon (a way of living; a way of painting)

i only known much about it (or care about it) bcz of john cage (whose moon was "listening", rather than dice-throwing, say) (i mean dice were a means to an end, but he only used them bcz they were effective -- and as long as they were effective -- not bcz he gave a fuck about dice)

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 20 November 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Yes, it is an approach, but I still wouldn't call it a philosophical one, since it seems anti-philosophy. I do mention that moon parable in a couple of places on the site, and it is illustrated on the front page. Zen as used in the US (Cage obviously played an important role in that) and Europe seems to be different in important ways from the way it manifests in Asia.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

i suspect my entire take on it is coloured by knowing a lot about cage and not much else about it

mark s (mark s), Sunday, 20 November 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

The Pirsig is a good book. Flawed maybe, but not the hippie tract some wd have you believe. And if we start flinging the hippie aspersions about it's easy to forget what was good and valuable in that movement too. Philosophy doesn't equal logic - most of the last 120 years of philosophy have been pointing that out, tho it runs older and deeper: St David Hume, like I said, but the pre-Socratics too and a bunch of others. There's an awful similarity to Zen in some of Hume, Nietzsche, Ayer, Wittgenstein, Derrida, Deleuze & Guattari and so on and so forth. Pirsig is particularly good on the potential problems of a Philosophy entirely based on Socratic binaries or Platonic Ideals. I still think there's a distinction between how Zen might influence the artist and how Zen works as a bureaucratic structure or authority - like the difference between William Blake and yer average member of the Christian Brothers, for example.

Am I going on pointlessly? I'll shut up if so. I just like thinking about this stuff. Maybe I shd form a breakaway thread.

THIS IS THE SOUND OF ALTERN 8 !!! (noodle vague), Sunday, 20 November 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

Not just logic - knowledge too. If we are going to detach that from philosophy too, we are surely undercutting far too much of the meaning of the word. As for artist/structure, a lot of the great Zen artists in Japan were tightly bound into that structure, were religious teachers, temple bosses and so on. Almost all of the notable artists (bar the astonishing Musashi Miyamoto) were Zen monks - the relationship bears no resemblance to that elsewhere, where for the last several centuries few great artists have also been part of the church.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 20 November 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
And another release! Lacquerwork this time - I'm sure you're all huge fans of that kind of thing. http://www.japanese-arts.net/lacquerwork/lacquerwork_index.htm anyway - loads of spectacular pics, even if you don't want to read any of the text. My favourite: http://www.japanese-arts.net/lacquerwork/artist_zeshin_inro.htm.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:20 (twenty years ago)

Some nice pictures there.

Last Of The Famous International Pfunkboys (Kerr), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Cool site, but the Impact typeface on the titles bugs me for some reason.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:33 (twenty years ago)

love the new section!! really interesting, and really beautiful stuff. which i previously knew nothing of, or about!

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 23 February 2006 22:44 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
I usually only revive this to pimp a new release of some kind, but I think google has just found me or something. I got a very serious email from someone yesterday about Hokusai, and another just now about Sharaku (someone at Harvard doing an essay). I don't know how these things work, but it seems like more than a coincidence. I'm not sure how I feel about a flood of these things.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

a flood of serious emails?

Way back in the day (like ten years ago) I used to have a site about one of the brontes and was often engaged in academic banter. it was fun.

Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 16:26 (twenty years ago)

i learned a lot about lacquer on your site!

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 11 April 2006 16:35 (twenty years ago)


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