Dear Bitches: I am moving to Chicago!!!

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So, I've got a job. And it is dope. AND AND AND it is in Chi-chi. I will be moving there very soon!!!! I don't actually know any Chicago ILxors but whatever: give me advice!

Where should I live?! What should I do? Help!!!

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Dear Giboyeux: read this story, and maybe you won't want to move --

Daley Pushes Ordinance to Close Taverns By DON BABWIN, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 32 minutes ago


Taverns and booze are entwined with Chicago's history and lore — from Al Capone's bootlegging empire to the tavern owner whose curse on the Cubs is blamed for keeping them out of the World Series for a half century. But the dark, cool watering holes where for decades laborers dropped by for a belt on the way home are drying up.

The city that once boasted as many 7,600 taverns in the early 1900s has just over 1,300 today. Now Mayor Richard Daley is pushing an ordinance that would make it easier to close taverns — the latest volley in a battle against the kinds of liquor-selling establishments that some say are magnets for everything from prostitution to littering.

Add to that rapidly changing neighborhoods and a growing number of upscale residents who'd rather see a bistro than a bar on the corner, and it keeps getting tougher to find an honest-to-goodness bar to belly up to.

"The neighborhood bar used to be the country club of the community," said John Kelly, whose father opened Kelly's Pub the day after Prohibition ended and who started running it in 1957. "They've kind of gone by the wayside."

It's a similar story in other cities, including Cleveland, Philadelphia and Boston. One official thinks the trend will continue, in large part because elected officials don't want to be seen as advocates for bars.

"If it's going to be (a liquor license) for a chi chi restaurant with a celebrity chef, wonderful," said Daniel Pokaski, chairman of the Boston Licensing Board. "But if it's for a corner bar, forget it... They are deathly afraid of their own shadows in those situations."

In Chicago's days gone by, poor and blue-collar neighborhoods looked to taverns as community centers, hiring halls, and banks. Often it seemed taverns were the only places to watch a ball game or just escape the sweltering heat.

Though those days were long gone by the time Daley took office in 1989, there still were well over 3,000 taverns in the city.

Intent on making Chicago a more attractive and family-friendly city, Daley pointed to the corner tavern. Careful to say he wasn't opposed to all of them, the mayor said some were havens for crime, garbage and noise. As evidence that the mayor is not trying to impose his own kind of Prohibition, city officials point out that the number of restaurants that serve alcohol has actually climbed in recent years.

Still, in Daley's first full year on the job, the Liquor Control Commission revoked 49 liquor licenses, compared with 11 the year before he took office. Since then, about 1,000 licenses for taverns, liquor stores and other businesses that sell liquor have been revoked.

Daley also dusted off a largely unknown law that allows residents to vote their precincts dry.

Since 1990, dozens of precincts have been voted dry (a handful have been voted wet), putting many taverns, liquor stores and restaurants out of business. Today, some 430 of the city's 2,706 precincts are dry.

The city initiated an aggressive sting operation in which the police sent minors into taverns to see if they'd sell them liquor. And Daley pushed for a state law — which ultimately passed in the mid-1990s — that allowed voters to shut down individual liquor-serving establishments.

Many residents were receptive to Daley's efforts.

"I didn't want to send my kids to the grocery store because they'd have to walk past it," Felicia Sciascia said of a tavern with a soundtrack that routinely included shattering glass, fights and even gunfire for years until it closed last year.

Tavern owners and others say some of the loudest complaints have come not from longtime residents like Sciascia but from newcomers who are turning once blue-collar enclaves into pricey hot spots.

"These people move in, pay $1 million or $2 million for houses and they have a little bit of a feeling they are entitled to say what the neighborhood should be," said Timothy Glascott, whose father in 1937 opened a tavern that today is Glascott's Groggery.

"It's like the way people will buy a house under the flight path at O'Hare and complain about the noise," said Perry Duis, author of "The Saloon: Public Drinking in Chicago and Boston, 1880-1920," and a University of Illinois-Chicago history professor.

A vote-dry referendum that came close to getting on the ballot in one precinct in the early 1990s could have forced the closure of the acclaimed restaurant Charlie Trotter's. Trotter said he would have left the city had the referendum passed — but understands residents' concerns.

"The bars are filthy and nasty behind them, they smell like urine (and they're) noisy," he said. "If I were a neighbor living here and had to deal with... these grim, pathetic places, I would get mad enough to vote the neighborhood dry."

Daly is seeking a new ordinance that would enable residents to take on individual taverns. Under his proposal, the burden of proof would be on the owners of bars or liquor stores to show they aren't hurting their neighborhoods.

"A good liquor store can be a worthwhile part of a commercial strip," Daley said when he announced the plan last month. "But a bad liquor establishment can destroy the quality of life."

But others counter that all taverns are at risk, whether they are run responsibly or not. And that, they say, will ultimately hurt the city.

"We complain about the fact that we've become cities of strangers," said Duis, "and yet for some strange reason we go out and destroy places where people meet face to face."

FUCK A DALEY

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Serious. Still: I'm coming anyway. WHERE DO I LIVE?

(my job's up in Roscoe/Lakeview...on Irving Park (the street))

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

if you can find a cheap place (maybe not so easy any more), roscoe village is a nice village near your work that isn't nearly as lame as lakeview.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Oh, please. Getting rid of rat hole bars is not a bad idea, even if you happen to love rat hole bars (like I do). Thing is, he's right. Places like that make neighborhoods a little less pleasant to be in for anyone who's not plastered.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

whatever dude, enjoy your new yuppie city! have fun at bar louie or whatever it's called, i'll take goldstar or discount liquors or the ups bar down on 18th any day of the damn week.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

Also, Roscoe Village seconded. It's lovely. Good thing you have a job, though -- there's nothing cheap there. Nothing outrageously expensive, either -- nice and middling.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

They're not going to close Gold Star.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

ten bux sez it gets priced out within 5 years.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

All of my friends who are nearing 30 and getting married have moved (or are moving) to Roscoe Village, FWIW.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Also, my new yuppie city has less crime, more trees, better housing both public and private, etc etc. Cleaning up a city requires a little fascism, it has to.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

i lived there when i was 23. damn that was long ago.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

I still like Roscoe Village, though. Lincoln Square sort of has a similar feel. Were we just talking about this the other night at Jeff and Jenny's wedding?

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Cleaning up a city requires a little fascism, it has to.

ah c'mon, man, give me a break. in 2001 chicago was the #1 murder city (666 total). daley isn't a fascist, he's too corrupt/incompetent.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

I love rat hole bars but prolly don't want one next door. Not sure where that puts me in the whole 'debate,' but whatever.


...my friends live up in Roscoe village (on Damen, a few blocks from Irving Park), and it's OK but I don't need to be THAT close to work. As long as I can get to work EASILY (not necc quickly), I think I'm alright. What can you tell me about:

Ukrainian Village, Wicker Park etc. (that general area, I guess)


(I am 24, btw. My expected roommate will be making much less money than me, also)

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

I understand, though, hstencil, really I do. It's not the same Chicago anymore. I've never known it any other way, so I'm cool with it. I love it, actually.

Feature in the Sun Times today about the 25th anniversary of The Blues Brothers -- "The best movie ever made about Chicago." I guess, but the thing is, the Chicago in The Blues Brothers is TOTALLY UNRECOGNIZABLE now.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

daley isn't a fascist, he's too corrupt/incompetent.

Any mayor who pisses off developers by forcing them to build green is ok by me.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

ukrainian village and wicker park are great hoods, but will be a bitch for you to get to work. blue line to downtown to red line back uptown = sucks. also, so does the ashland bus, kinda.

dude, kenan, i had this ex whose boss worked in the chicago film office at the time and coordinated the chase scene! how cool is that?!?

xpost - fascists aren't green, either.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

ukrainian village and wicker park are great hoods, but will be a bitch for you to get to work. blue line to downtown to red line back uptown = sucks. also, so does the ashland bus, kinda.

Ick. That's what I was afraid of. So it's really the red/brown line for me (office 2blocks from Addison on the brown). Is Roscoe really getting all old and married (not that this is bad)? Where are the venues? My friend lives 4 blocks from the Empty Bottle (i think that's it), but it took FOREVER to get up to Roscoe.

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

there's some nice hoods further out on the brown line, too.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Really? Comme ca? Also: know any good maps that show both neighborhoods AND train lines?


(thanks for answering all my questions, btw!!)

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

know any good maps that show both neighborhoods AND train lines?

The neighborhoods are kinda nebulous anyhoo. It's a little convoluted, but the Reader SpaceFinder has a list of neighborhoods and corresponding zip codes, and also a zip code map.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

So have people started piling into that stretch between, say, Irving Park and Wilson? As of when I left, it was nice there -- not super-super-cheap, or anything, but decent and pleasant, especially since a lot of the housing runs a little far west of the trains. (Not at all car-essential -- walking, buses, etc -- but maybe car-preferred.) A bunch of my friends were living around Montrose and Clark before I left town, and I very nearly wound up in the same area.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Roscoe Village has Hot Doug's!!!

http://www.hotdougs.com/

Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

(I think those neighborhoods would be considered "Sheridan Park" and a bit of "Buena Park.")

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

So have people started piling into that stretch between, say, Irving Park and Wilson?

dude, i've known peeps up there for years.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Also: bike-friendly? Anyone up in this piece ride bikes?

(I'm just the question kid today)

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Is the area where Hot Doug's now resides still considered Roscoe Village? I mean, it's only 5 blocks away, but it's on the other side of Western.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, we all ride bikes, giboyeux!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

I happen to think it's fairly bike-friendly. There are a few streets that have bike lanes. Also, just the other day, I rode down the bike trail that hugs the lake: really nice.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

I tried in vain to find a map with CTA and neighborhood names. I don't think one exists online. I have a pretty good one at home, though.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

chicago is super bike friendly, most of the time, yeah. good place to ride.

for some reason i can't find a good scan of the chicago neighborhood map (you know the one! it's got inaccuracies, actually) online.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

Neat! I don't have a bike at the moment, but I'm getting one ASAP. Maybe today!

...maybe this is a weird too-personal-for-the-internet: where does y'all live (generally)? I'm trying to build a mental map, here. Also, I like ILxors and would probably like their hoods.

(xpost: I'm not having much luck, either)

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

i live in brooklyn (heh) but i used to live on noble, just north of division, by the park and the dan ryan. kinda wicker park, but east of ashland. by the big-ass lexus dealership, and goose island, and cabrini green. sometimes called dog patch. dan rostenkowski was my neighbor.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

...is that in one of those El Dead Zones?

giboyeux (skowly), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

I happen to think it's fairly bike-friendly.

I think it's EXTREMELY bike-friendly. It's my preferred mode of transportation. And I'm coming from Austin, a city that touts itself as being bike-friendly, but where good ol' boys yell out their pickup truck windows at you. "Faggot!" and "Get a car!" are favorites. Also, if you're not on a bike path, you're in a death trap.

Chicago's not like that at all. People watch out for you. No one seems to resent the fact that you're riding a bike -- which is a big factor in not getting killed. Just watch our for doors on parked cars and hold your space on the road, and you're golden.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

I live in northern Andersonville, just on the edge of Edgewater (although officially, Andersonville is a community within the larger neighborhood of Edgewater) (this is what Kenan means about the nebulous borders) -- anyway, right off Clark, less than a block north of Hollywood. My el stop is Bryn Mawr on the Red Line.

Kelsey lives in Andersonville, too. And Kenan and Amateurist both used to live there as well. It's a nice neighborhood: it's def. more gentrified than it used to be, but there seems to be a pretty good range of ages and ethnicities that reside there. It's a historically Swedish neighborhood, but now the predominant cultural groups are Middle Easterners and lesbians!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

I mean, in addition to all of the regular white people.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

no, giboyeaux, where i lived was five blocks from the division blue line stop.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

I live very near where hstencil used to live -- corner of Chicago and Noble. Three blocks from the Blue Line Chicago stop.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

My neighborhood is still heavily Mexican, but with a hipster edge to it -- I live across the street from both Sonotheque, which is one of those places where you go to see the hot-ass DJ, and Flo, which is maybe the best breakfast in the city. Southwestern cuisine, I guess you'd call it.

ALSO, don't miss Dusty Groove on Ashland. One of my very favorite record stores ever. They specialize in what use to be called "hip hop breaks," but what you'd now call "general interest funk, jazz, and soul." Same thing, really.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

I've still never been there! (I KNOW.)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

It can be daunting at first. Losta stuff us sad crackers have never heard of.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

I lived in Wicker Park -- a couple blocks from the Damen blue line stop. I believe a couple ILXors live thereabouts now, as well. The side streets are pleasant and shady; the neighborhood as a whole is steadily trending toward bustling and expensive, things you may or may not care for. This diminishes as you move south, beyond Division and into the less train-friendly Ukranian Village. If you're working in Roscoe Village, either of those locales will involve an out-of-the-way commute: either a bunch of train-line backtracking, or a cross-town bus to the red line. On the other hand, there are plenty of cool shops and bars and things to do. And if you want someplace cheap, wandering a bit off of the blue line does wonders; the area west of Western (the Empty Bottle is on Western) has half-houses renting cheaply, and if you follow the blue line up to Armitage or beyond and go a few blocks west, it's more of the same.

I also lived for a while in Rogers Park, on the far north side of the city. The neighborhood isn't particularly pleasant, but now that more, umm, "youth-culture focus" is heading uptown, it's not so disconnected from things to do. And it's cheap up there.

Moving up the brown line will totally take you into vast residential areas, unbustling but pleasant, filled with large, reasonably-priced apartments.

Chicagoans: So what's the current status of the Pilsen-as-next-spot concept? Has this been given up on yet?

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

I think Rogers Park is a pleasant neighborhood, insofar as it has lots of tree-lined streets and nice old buildings -- but certain areas aren't the safest.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Nabisco, I think Pilsen is still on the up-and-up. The art students that lived in Wicker Park five years ago are now moving to either Logan Square or Pilsen.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Couldn't you take the bus to work? I just know my bf and I have been making better use of the bus system this summer. The routes are often much more direct than taking the el. Sometimes this involves switching buses, but with one stop on every block, it's no biggie.

Roscoe is great. It's on my mental list of other neighborhoods I want to apartment hunt in some day. It is very babyfied, but also very pleasant. I would totally want to live there if I was about to make babies (or not). And yeah, I feel the same way about Lincoln Square. I just know Roscoe better. It has a little strip of restaurants (Victory's Banner! Yay!) and little shops, but is much more quiet than where I live now.

I live at the edge of Wicker Park now, near Ukranian village, a few blocks away from the Damen/Division intersection. I love my neighborhood. I've only been looking elsewhere (half-assedly) because I'm broke. But I do recommend the area where I live because you can still find some stuff that's not that expensive rent-wise.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

I haven't been around Pilsen much. I think there was a lot of talk about it around here a week or so ago. I just want to go there to eat.

(((Oh, speaking of eating -- a warning.)))

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

And Damen/Division in summer is like heartbreakingly beautiful! That's kind of my own 2001 nostalgia talking, but I was really happy around those spots then -- Jinx under the old ownership, sun through the Puerto Rican flag, Weekend in operation, general niceness. Then the woman across my hall opened Milk and Honey and was rude to me whenever I went, and I got in a fight with the Italian pizza place toward Ashland, and my bike ran a flat, and I had to leave town. I'm just glad there's a couple new ILXors holding the corner down!

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

(that was x-post to Sarah, I guess)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

hahahaha. (xpost)

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Here is a short and incomplete list of things I love about Chicago, and why I’ll likely be here for a long long time:


1. If you love baseball and drinking beer while watching baseball, you’re home. It’s like those signs on the freeway. “If you lived here you’d be home now!” If you drank beer and watched baseball in Chicago, you’d be home now.

2. The parks. They’re enormous. We don’t have a Central Park, we have a Lincoln Park, which is about ten miles (!) of premium, beautiful, unstoppable lake shore, with beaches and bike paths and soccer fields until the cows come home. Statues of Abraham Lincoln, too.

3. It’s green. Not only in the enviro sense, which is as true as it can be for a city this size, but it’s literally green. Trees everywhere. Flowers. Ivy covered buildings. If you zoom in on a Google Maps satellite image of downtown, you’ll notice many skyscraper rooftops covered in greenery. This is not a new idea, but Chicago has more of this kind of rooftop than any other US city. Here’s a tip: ivy-covered buildings are very cheap to cool and heat. Serious energy saver.

4. It’s not the biggest, fastest, most intense city in the world. This is a huge relief to all of us in Chicago.

5. It has alleys. You don’t have to put your trash in front of your home. Also a huge relief. And when the garbagemen go on strike, it’s not that big a deal.

6. The endless supply of cheap food. Most of it’s really good. I ate at Burger Baron on Grand and Noble last night: a half-pound hamburger, medium rare and delicious, for under $4. If you’re feeling vegetarian, you’re no worse off -- try the falafel sandwich at Sultan’s Market. Get the spicy sauce. Or Taste of Lebanon in Andersonville. You don’t even have to get too pricey for fine cuisine -- for less than $20 a plate, you can eat at West Town Tavern and have the best lamb you’ve ever had in your life. Or for the same amount, eat at Frontera Grill, where the habanero salsa compliments anything you order. It’s not “Mexican” food, it’s Mexico food. You’ll see when you get here. We’ll go on an eating tour.

7. The architecture. For a warm, sweet rush of art deco and beaux arts and Mies Van Der Rohe modernism and, uh, other, you can’t beat the corner of Michigan and Wacker. The FLLW houses in Oak Park are not to be missed. Or don’t even go that far, and get all prairie style. The closer you get to the lakeshore, the more pre-war and better designed things get. Living in a hundred-year-old building is wonderful. The floors are hardwood and the natural ventilation actually works. It’s amazing.

8. The CTA. No, really.

9. The people are awesome. Friendly and unpretentious. They smile at you on the street.

10. Summer.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Omigod I need to sell a book and move.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

11. Housing is plentiful and afordable.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Yay! Your list makes me happy, K!

I rode my bike to work for the second time today, which is awesome, but also it will be a very hot ride back home! I need to start packin' a bikini and daisy dukes.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

You'll stop traffic. That won't get you home any faster.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

to get from wicker park to roscoe village, you just need to take the damen bus!!! which granted does not run all night. but if you're taking it to work that shouldn't matter.

problem solved.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

unless of course they discontinue the damen bus or something.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

I doubt they would, Damen is such a main street and it runs through a fair number of neighborhoods of people with $$$.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

come to this. please. my boss will kill me if no one goes.

DANCE PARTY!
Sunday, July 17th
10pm - 4am
Club Rednofive
FREE. OPEN BAR 10-11:30 (!!!)

DJs:
Justin V. (OUTHUD)
Jamie Stewart (XIU XIU)
Jordan Z.
+ SPECIAL GUEST!

Spinning Disco, Rock, House, Electro, Pop.

call in sick on monday. yay.

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

xpost The Damen bus is a small miracle.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

SPAMTROLL!

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

i mean i'm surprised the damen bus (i think it's #50, right?) has not come up yet. i mean it's like your direct roscoe village-to-wicker park line!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

if you seriously consider looking for a cheapo car, i'm not sure what i'm going to do with mine yet, but let me know.

juliaaa, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

#50!

The #9 Ashland bus is a lifesaver, too.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Everyone has pretty much said everything I would have said. Except I do want to say that it's not as big a deal as everyone's making it out to be to get from Wicker Park to Roscoe Village. Sure, you have to change trains if you take the train, but it doesn't take THAT long, or you could take the bus (it's a straight shot up Damen so you probably wouldn't have to transfer) or ride your bike when it's nice (which would take like 20 minutes at the most probably). So just move to Wicker Park or Ukranian Village, fuck the haters.

-- n/a (nu...), June 21st, 2005 9:36 AM. (Nick A.) (later)

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

For you:

http://www.tildas.com/Large%20Chocolate%20Chip%20Cookie.JPG

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm sorry. I'm a snarky bastard today.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

The #50 is great. Its northernmost stop is RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from me (Clark/Ashland), which means I can hop on and go all the way to Nick and Sarah's place without transferring once. Awesome.

jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Yep. It's also the Andersonville-to-Wicker-Park bus. I've made many trips to Myopic Books and Flash Taco that way.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

x mmmm Flash Taco mmmm x

A couple summers back I biked along Damen, from North to Montrose and back, pretty much every Sunday night, headed up to hang out with friends: it was one of the most pleasant travels I've ever had, especially once it got late enough to really cruise.

Are there any actual Wicker Park haters here? The transport thing is one of those mild criticisms, basically a way of saying that you'll be like 10/15 minutes less convenient to a few Red Line things; this is far from a major problem, so long as you don't get lazy and start spending all your money on cabs. If I were moving back to Chicago I'd happily go right back to Wicker Park or Ukranian Village; maybe I'd complain about how some of my favorite stores there have been replaced by expensive boutiques, but I'd still happily do it.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:54 (twenty years ago)

Right around Wicker Park proper is very nice, and Nick and Sarah's neighborhood is great. A little North on Damen, though, there's that long stretch (Bucktown?) of dog-walking, cellphone-chattering, overly-made-up silly white bitches. Little Lincoln Park, let's call it.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

"white bitches"? what are you, filipino?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Bucktown is pretty lame. But that's not Wicker Park. My only real gripe with my neighborhood is the rapidly-increasing number of ugly-ass condo buildings taking over empty lots and (even worse) nice old buildings. Other than that, I love it.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I look in every hip-hop magazine
it seems
that the blunts are being passed around the scenes in teams
and the (gomma) man with contraband in lesser amounts
I guess 'cause understands he has his chance passes like Fouts
but his pass is incomplete 'cause I can tell in the smell
to let the touch he pass me by
let the (left) catch hell
if I wanted to smoke tobacco I'd get a skinny white bitch
I know that Fatlip carries a pack to cure the nicotine itch
because the only itch I have is for the indoe or cess
so don't pass me that mess

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

is that from your poetry-slamming alter ego?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

I love my neighborhood. Kids, families, cheap rent, a couple good restaurants... Logan Square pwnzorz j00 b17cH3z!

dan m (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I have been playing Halo 2 lately.

dan m (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

"indoe"?? did dan qualye transpose that?

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Logan Square seems nice too, and it's probably considerably cheaper than the W.P.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Is it wrong to set up appointments to look at apartments for rent when there is a 90-90% chance that you won't even be able to break your current lease to get a new apartment?

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

That should have been 90-95% obv.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

Somebody's gotta not take the apartment.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

The only time I've had to break a lease was when I couldn't afford the rent any more. The landlord was understanding because he knew he could fill the place right away with someone who could actually pay rent without any touble at all. I got a bigger, cheaper place; everyone was happy.

dan m (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Well that's the situation here. I mean, we can afford our rent, but neither of us really have much money left after paying all our bills. So we're thinking of looking for a cheaper place.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

But whose apartment will we gather at?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

man you guys are really making me want to move. I think we're going to end up buying a place in the lou though, which is still pretty neat.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

my place will probably be available soon-ish. it's cheap & large.

kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

Nick -- if you ask about it soon, I'm guessing you'd be in a great position to break the lease; you live in a fairly hot spot, in real estate terms, and summer is surely the biggest time for apartment-moving anyway.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

(And if you don't feel like moving too far, just hop a couple blocks onto the other side of Western!)

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Uh, you guys can come over to my house. That don't have yet.

Nice list kenan! I can't wait to move!


...I just got a sweet, large map of Chicago that I am going to look at and mark the locations of things on. Like apartments and venues.

my place will probably be available soon-ish. it's cheap & large.

Where?!

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

I have just listened to "Senorita" four times in a row!

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

Wrong thread. Not that there's any right thread for that.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

andersonville. ashland & foster more precisely. it's north, but the neighborhood is cute & safe & stuff.

kelsey (kelstarry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, nabisco, the apartment upstairs was open for like four months before they got a renter. But yeah, I guess that was in the winter.

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

It feels like something's heatin' up. Can I leave witchoo?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

Senorita? Is that like Gasolina?

dan m (OutDatWay), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

teeny, did you see last month (or maybe this month) issue of Travel & Leisure? there's a page on hip new St.Louis!

its in the issue with the "MOST EXPENSIVE HOTELS IN THE WORLD" feature on the cover...

phil-two (phil-two), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

Everybody let's move to Chicago!

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Andersonville, eh....too North for me. I am looking at my new sweet map and it says my office is in Lakeview, not Roscoe Village.

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)


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