Christmas: Classic or Dud?

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I'm listening to 'Every Day is Christmas' by The Webb Borthers and it's great. Because Christmas is great. Isn't it? Yeeeeaaaahhhh!!

Sod off 'summer' (pah!) and roll on Christmas - let's have some nuts!

D*A*V*I*D*M, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Were Christmas not a time for family members to get together and A) talk about health problems, B) talk about people dying, C) talk about the shittiness of family members not present or D) talk about ordering meat through the mail, then, yes, Christmas would be so freakin' classic. The idea (the Pagan idea, that is) overflows with potential for beauty & love. Never materializes between all the wrapping paper & dining room carnage, at least in the houses I've been at.

Granted, I go to my sister's house, where there are FOUR sets of potential parents/step-parents that can show up & throw a wrench in the works. And everyone's so damn maudlin. No wonder I always have some egg nog.

It should be about togetherness & sharing & giving and all that stuff that's cliched and trite, but really isn't. Add a flurry of snow, and a Christmas tree decorated by the family (the WHOLE family, not with one member supervising and telling you where you're going wrong) and you have immaculate beauty.

_A Christmas Story_ = CLASSIC. (Damn - need to put that on my movie list.)

David Raposa, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

_A Christmas Story_ is indeed the shiznitz, it's the anti-_A Christmas Carol_ and all the better for it. Fuck _Miracle on 34th Street_, and fuck _It's a Wonderful Life_. Both feel fake, _Christmas Story_ feels real.

The holiday roolz for me. Helps that I have a stable family and no buried emotional bullshit, so hurrah for good fortune. And last Christmas my girlfriend came over from England to stay with me and my parents. Best gift *ever*. :-)

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

DUD ! I hate my extended family and i do not like Davids family. I hate the commercial obligation. Aside from some country and some gospel/hymns/classical i hate the music. The decorations are all kitsch. Mall Santas remind me of pedophiles .

All this said i find midnight mass one of the most solemn and holy times in my year. The trudging through snow and cold at the exact moment of my saviours symbolic birth . The moon reflecting on the snow. The barrenness of it all. Then the church with its lights on. Warm and welcoming.The commadaire of the people . Trudging back in the coldness to a warm meal.

anthony, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Christmas makes me want to slit my wrists.

Sterling Clover, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

the best thing abt xmas out here is that it *is* summer.

duane, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Dudder than dud. The only reason they keep around is cause it's "good for the economy". Isn't that the same reason they have wars and stuff?

masonic boom, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Christmas is great, I like seeing my relatives, listening to Christmas songs, going to the shops, hoping it snows, not having to work, Christmas carols...If there was no Christmas, there'd be nothing to look forward to! So, yeah, sod off summer, roll on October, so I can start making my Christmas lists!

james e l, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I spent christmas day on my own last year, and it was... okay. Not great, but certainly not terrible.

I got up early, phoned my Mum in Austrailia, phoned other folks and friends. Opened pressies - ACE! Had a cup of coffee half filled with whiskey - a Christmas Tradition. Watched The Simpsons on telly ('Marge, Be Not Proud'). Went on the .net and wished my .net friends (oh brother, that sounds wank) a happy Xmo. Listened to 'It's A Cool, Cool Christmas' CD on full blast. Had a Baileys and got the dinner ready. Scanned the sky for signs of snow, but no joy. Had a massive turkey dinner follwed by Xmas pud in Brandy butter (from Sainsbury's - damn good, actually). Watched more telly ('The Borrowers' I think). Went to the pub for half an hour, came back and spent the evening gorging on champagne, chocolate, fruit and nuts. Sweeet.

This year's a family do I think. Ah well.

Christmas then. Diagnosis: deeee-licious!

D*A*V*I*D*M, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Christmases were always a major dud during my parents' 7 year long divorce. But a couple since have been very special. Last christmas I spent with my mum in Perugia with her partner. We had such a low key day, with a Farone (I think its a guinea fowl), listened to jazz cds and chatted music and politics interspersed with the best panetone ever (Strawberry).

The other side is with my dad's very small family, grandparents, cousin, bro, sis, dad, uncle. Do the same things every year, at the same times.

I love the pagan idea of the big midwinter feast. Just before the hardest section of winter and while theres still some good stuff left to make a feast of. Kill the fatted calf and have a knees up to revive flagging spirits.

It seems a great shame that a great pagan tradition, and of course the christian message (which is essentially a good one whatever you feel about christianity) have been buried under a twisted orgie of consumption.

Ed, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I think thats what i was saying about midnight mass. The waning of days and this huge feast occurs.

anthony, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

classic. presents! time off work! i like the week before upto and including christmas eve

gareth, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Surely point of pagan feast = orgy of consumption.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

What Anthony said about midnight mass is spot on. Though I grew up Anglican, obviously most of the ceremonial carried over, and though I hate snow in general, my three years in upstate New York were all worth it for memories like what he describes. Rock.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

there is nothing great about being anglosaaxon in a fucking cuntry where xmas takes place in summer- yoou ever ate roast with the works when its 40 degrees plus celcius. Xmas bites; ignoring it rocks.

Geoff, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Actually I must go back on some of what I said, the build up to Christmas is what I enjoy most, after that it's downhill. New Year is the duddest of the duds.

james e l, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i love christmas. it is true that everyone is nicer, the cold is not as cold and i get to see my family who i don't see all year long.

flick(the kid who stuck his tongue to a pole in 'a christmas story') is now in porn, i just read an interview with ralphie and he says 'if it(flick being porno) makes him happy then i am happy for him' or something like that, ralphie/messy marvin hangs with vince vaughn and jon favreau and is a producer now.

keith, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Also a video director -- he's a busy guy. Peter Billingsley's the name, and he co-produced Vaughn's new film Made. His rundown of film work is here:

http:// us.imdb.com/Name?Billingsley,+Peter

As for Flick, aka Scott Schwartz and his, er, career refocus:

http:// us.imdb.com/Name?Schwartz,+Scott+(I)

Actually, didn't David Foster Wallace mention his situation in that psedonymous article he did for Premiere a couple of years back about the Adult Video Awards?

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Ah, the joy of forgetting end tags.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I spent Christmas alone last year too, and it was pretty fun. I did a bit of writing, listened to records, opened my presents and was able to comment on how crap the doorstop I received was without offending anyone. I can't stand being around people at Christmas, for some odd reason.

Paul Strange, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I like xmas because I like giving presents, and it's a good excuse for that. Most of the frippery associated with it -- snow, santa, etc. is simply meh. I have no strong feelings about it either way.

Nicole, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Dude, what is the matter with you people? Christmas is great, it's exciting, it's fun, it involves ludicrious decorations, drinking inordinant amounts, eating junk food, and getting presents! You all should be slapped for saying it's not the greatest thing ever. I love Christmas like a bastard, I even have REINDEER PLATES to use at Christmas time. I make my own hot chocolate and put various alcoholic crap in it and it's absolutely wicked, and I have this great cinnamon bread. Then I make this kick ass spanish seafood stew. Everyone who hates Christmas is invited to my Christmas party because it kicks the ass of all Christmas parties ever, especially when the wax starts flying and me and the smokers start climbing to the roof in the freezing cold, half in the bag. It's easily the best time of the year. I always get sad to take down my decorations, and not just because last year I had to lug a 6'5 tree down 4 flights of stairs, around the corner past Starbucks, and to the building where they pick up the trash. I wish I could leave up the mistletoe and red bows and pine "branch" decorations and Christmas cards all year. That should be my decorating style, "Year-Round Christmas". I have really pretty blown glass tree ornaments too. And I always make sure everyone I like has presents from me, good ones too, not crap presents like shaving razors (am I the only person who hates that? Every Christmas - "get your father what he wants, a Gilette Mach 3!" If someone bought me that I'd shoot them). I bought my ex a Palm Pilot last year, which kind of pisses me off now but that's an example, I get good gifts, I go out and keep a mental catalog all year round of things they've mentioned to me and then I go get them. If only people would do that with me my life would be perfect, but this is griping.

I like candy canes too, btw. In fact, I just love everything about Christmas.

Ally, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Lovely. Classic. I've never spent Christmas not with my family. Two years ago my then-flatmate went to Cornwall and looked after monkeys on a Sanctuary during that holiday, including Christmas and 99-00 new year without anyone he knew. He said it was his best ever but I can't imagine it.

chris, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

People who like Xmas generally like their families, and like people, and like peace on earth and goodwill in general. Which would NOT be me. I think spending Xmas by myself looking after monkeys would be fantastic.

I had a non-sucky Xmas for the first time in ages this past year. Jane (our bassist) had an "ex-pats stranded in London without their families" party. Paul is lying about being alone on Xmas, because he was there- I think it was about our second date or something. A grand time was had because there was no pressure about anything. And all the food was vegetarian, which made a big difference- Xmas at my house always involves the meat-eaters completely torturing the Vegetarians and refusing to make us any food we can eat. And big fights between family members. Especially my crazy brother. And just horribleness in general. Our worst fights are almost always on Xmas, because it's the time that we actually all have to be in a room together.

Between the ages of about 17 and 22 I used to run away to NYC for every Xmas. It was my then-best friend's birthday, and we'd all get together for a big party which had nothing to do with Christianity or commercialism, it was just about getting drunk and listening to music and enjoying each others company. That was good.

But Xmas with my family = dud dud DUD.

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Christmas with my family = alcohol alcohol alcohol.

I am trying to affiliate myself with the male section of the family who are allowed to drink before, during and after meals without having to get involved in preparing, serving or clearing up the meal.

Emma, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I don't think Christmas has anything to do with liking or disliking your family, actually. I have very limited contact with anyone in my family besides my immediate family and I don't see them at Christmas because they live in Arizona.

Ally, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I really enjoy Christmas. This year was the first time that my wife and I didn't see our families over the holiday, which was somewhat bittersweet, but we got to spend a lot of time snuggling.

Dan Perry, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

As a child, I was obsessed with hibernating like the Moomins, until my mother pointed out that I'd miss Christmas.

I swiftly changed my mind.

Robin Carmody, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

one year passes...
I am going to be working on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day and Boxing Day and the day after that, and the day after that, and the day after that. Ha ha - what larks!

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 6 December 2002 13:16 (twenty-two years ago) link

are they paying you big bucks?

jel -- (jel), Friday, 6 December 2002 13:19 (twenty-two years ago) link

eleven months pass...
I still think Christmas is great! What are you doing this year for Christmas?

Allyzay, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

Going home as always, relaxing and enjoying Carmel in winter. Hopefully also visiting Good Mr. DB and the Seattle crew the weekend beforehand.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am looking forward to Christmas as I am hoping it will signal an end to this year's madness! Christmas eve at the in-laws & then to my parents on the actual day. Hopefully we will be in our house for Christmas so that we can hibernate there on Boxing day & not in our rented accomodation.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love Christmas, Im Clark Griswold. I already hung up 400 Christmas lights in my living room, much to the dismay of the wife. Usual Christmas plans this year. Christmas Eve - In laws, Christmas day - moms first and then dads.

Chris B. Sure (Chris V), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

i don't like it really - it just doesn't mean that much to me anymore, but that's down to my own circumstances and i don't begrudge other people their enjoyment

stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:14 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lindsey's going north to visit her folks, and likes spending time with all corners of her family, and since they don't all live together, that means she'll be gone for two weeks. So, we're going to see Return of the King the night before she leaves, and then I'm on my own with the cats until the New Year.

I'm not sure if that'll be odd or not; I was single for my last two Christmases, and I don't do the visiting-family-for-holidays thing. Still. I've got no one to cook Christmas dinner for! (Those two years when I was single, I made Christmas dinner for my ex and her boyfriend-now-husband.)

I'm going to get a lot of stuff done, though, and will probably revert back to my more sensible schedule of sleeping from three to ten.

No tree: there's just no room for it in the apartment, except in the bedroom, where it would be unguarded from cats for overlong stretches of time. I have an obviously-fake (it's quilted) mini-tree my mother gave me that's meant as a centerpiece, so I'll put that on the table, and string lights up.

The weirdest thing, actually, will be that after Christmas is over, it'll be ... you know, over. In Louisiana, Carnival season starts on Twelfth Night, so I'm used to watching everyone take down the red-and-green lights in order to put up the purple-gold-and-green lights.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am going to participate in - I mean EAT - the Gr1gs0n Family Cook-off! Whoooo! First time I've looked forward to Xmas in ages. I'm not just excited cause of the yummy yummy food, honest. I'm happy because I actually really like HSA's family, and the idea of spending Xmas with a warm and lovely family is really appealing.

Citizen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I enjoy Christmas, but this year I'm more looking forward to moving and I think most of the Christmas fun will be outshined by it.

NA (Nick A.), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am a little sad that we're not putting up a tree, since it would be silly as we'd be moving directly after that. But, you know, like Nick said!

I'll also be extremely happy not to have this job any more.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hope it snows because last night I had a dream about having a snowball fight with someone and now I will be disappointed if it doesn't happen.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I want snow too!

When I lived in Lousiana, we sun bathed on Christmas eve.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

i'm so psyched about meeting all my old homiez, saying 'we must meet up in london' to 'em, and then fucking off for another year. and the ex-crushees -- bonus.

enrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:35 (twenty-one years ago) link

Holy crap, I could get snow.

I would be okay with having snow on/around/near Christmas. Christmas snow without having to go to McDonald's! Neat. I'd fill a basin with it and bring it in to totally fuck with the cats (they've never seen snow, because I can't bring them to McDonald's).

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does it snow in Wiltshire? HSA claims that it used to! That would be exciting!

Citizen Kate (kate), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Does it snow in McDonald's?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

Totally!

(There's a McDonald's in Metairie that imports snow -- from the Rockies, I think -- every Christmas and fills their playground with it so local kids can play in snow. They report it on the news every eyar as though it's never been done before, but last year they also had a SNOWMAN TUTOR, who showed kids how to build a snowman.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

the snow at the beginning of the year was great. It made getting to the airport to go on holiday fun!

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

I enjoy Christmas, but this year I'm more looking forward to moving and I think most of the Christmas fun will be outshined by it.

Oh god, that's right -- last year I had to do that miserable move-in-three-weeks madness. This December will be a lot more enjoyable!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:46 (twenty-one years ago) link

Reviving this thread is a bit like reusing old Christmas cards.

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

i've got that december move thing to look forward to hopefully.

Pinkpanther (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

Negotiating the office hierarchies and pecking orders when sending out Christmas cards = DUD.

Christmas works do = DUD.

Christmas Eve, sitting in my candlelit room listening to music and swigging down Baileys whilst wrapping presents = CLASSIC.

Christmas Day = pretty DUD, but I always go for a long walk during the day through the local woods = CLASSIC.

Ben Mott (Ben Mott), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

bah humbug, I must have used that line already

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

Dastoor why must you be a jerk?

Allyzay, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I like reusing Christmas cards! Let's have an eco-yule!

N. (nickdastoor), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

http://www.homerhickam.com/coalw5.jpg

Did your family send out Christmas newsletters every year?

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 16:50 (twenty-one years ago) link

I used to do that, and then I just started writing short stories to send out. I should've combined the two and written entirely fictional, but possibly believable, Christmas newsletters.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

HAHA I wouldn't even want to see what my family's newsletter would look like, jesus christ.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:16 (twenty-one years ago) link

I wrote ours when I was living in sin with a woman who hadn't yet divorced her husband, and her three kids from two different fathers, neither of which was me. It included stuff like "well, XXX hasn't managed to get her divorce yet, so we don't have any wedding plans per se, oh, and MiddleChild lost a tooth!, here's a recipe for pie."

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm off to Prague with the boyf to make up for last years Christmas hell, it'll be my second Christmas ever not spent with my parents & sister. I usually stay there Christmas eve and wake up to my Christmas stocking with my baby sis(I'm a spoiled brat, I know). The last time I wasn't there she cried all day coz she missed me and still talks about how 'orrible it was. I thought it'd be OK to go away this year coz she's living with her boyf but guess what? She's moving back to the parents....

smee (smee), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

That's great, Tep!

Ours were always VERY predictable. Middle child in soccer this year. Oldest (that's me) in ballet again. Youngest learning to walk. Dad is deacon at the church. Mom teaches sunday school. Happily ever after. And so on.

The best part was that we got to draw pictures around the newsletter. Then we'd go to Copy Cat and get them printed up on bright red and green paper.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:28 (twenty-one years ago) link

This is going to be the Best Christmas Ever.

ethereal cereal (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Don't say that, you'll jinx it - touch wood or something!

smee (smee), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I don't know if I'm even going to get a Christmas.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 17:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

Thanks for this thread revival, it actually prompted me to make sure my tickets home were bought and now they are! Rah!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:02 (twenty-one years ago) link

Growing up Jewish in the heart of Jewish Northwest London, and going to a school populated chiefly by Indian, Pakistani, and Jewish kids meant that many a childhood christmas had a certain hollowness to it.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:05 (twenty-one years ago) link

Well you're in America now, where Xmas is legislated by law and you have to celebrate under pain of death. Now SMILE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Couple that with the fact that my family would maddeningly buy a xmas timeshare in Bournemouth (a seaside resort! In the middle of winter!), where we would spend xmas week for several consecutive years...

*forces SMILE*

Mrs Nordic, being the uber-traditional Midwestern gal that she is, is ALL ABOUT christmas, Ned- I must surrender!

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I love Christmas. I listened to the Kindercore X-Mas album today. Is Kindercore still going?

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I must surrender!

Just don't give yourself away. (Oh, and stop reading books by women too you English bender pansy.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

Hahaha! I must remember to proofread that xmas list for signs of "femininity" before handing it to the in-laws...

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

...ditto for those filthy liberals, too.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:12 (twenty-one years ago) link

Everyone "gets" a Christmas.

Err unless you're like Jewish or something, oops. Then you get a Hannukah.

Allyzay, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Just ask for pink towels and manties. Be specific. Then when they have heart attacks and die, you get all the money. See, the joys of the season!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:13 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ha! Luckily, my mother-in-law is considerably more "enlightened", though her husband's family are of the sort that believe that being educated above high school level also makes you lazy, pretentious, anti-Republican and homosexual by default. Yeesh. I have a perverse "anthropological" interest in them, nonetheless.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:18 (twenty-one years ago) link

Sorry to go off on one here, but...for your delectation, a list of things which, by dint of their "fanciness", "otherness", or complexity, are deemed "gay" by my father-in-laws family:

Apple Macs
Restaurants with non-plastic cutlery
Books, films, and music by women
Air travel
Abstract art of any kind (obviously)
Japanese food
Scandinavia
Cities everywhere (except Indianapolis and maybe Chicago)
Napkins, place mats, and table plans
Banks
Dancing
Subtitles

Which is a shame, because all of these were on my Christmas list! :(

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:31 (twenty-one years ago) link

Why did your mother-in-law marry your father-in-law again?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

I...don't...know

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:33 (twenty-one years ago) link

Although Sarah has a story about how, when he first started coming round (he is her stepdad), her mom would say that he would "teach them how to use a knife and fork properly"! (!!!!!!)

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

I am so dead if she EVER reads this...

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:34 (twenty-one years ago) link

Your pseudonyms help you, my friend.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I adore christmas. Or, I used to. Seven years ago, though, my dad died on Christmas day which put what might be a permanent damper on the day. Every year I still buy a huge tree and shove it into our tiny aparment and there's always some kind of drama getting it into the stand; my wife claims to hate christmas so she doesn't help; I get allergic to the tree and wheeze for two weeks anyway; and, until recently, only saw her family on Christmas because my mother wound up living with a white trash asshole and I didn't want to spend my favorite holiday and the anniversary of my dad's death with Drunk Guy. But she finally kicked him out so maybe this year will be good. But Christmas is really for kids, and I honestly don't think I'll feel happy on Christmas again until I have one.

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:37 (twenty-one years ago) link

Perhaps, you could try and convince them that thinking things are gay is gay. Might work, would make for a nice Christmas dinner chat!

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:39 (twenty-one years ago) link

Kyle, that is sad and funny and sweet all at the same time.

I think I might get a tree this year.

Perhaps, you could try and convince them that thinking things are gay is gay. Might work, would make for a nice Christmas dinner chat!

There's no convincing them of anything, jel. Though I suspect a quantum leap in reasoning like that might just make their fat little heads explode, Scanners-style.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 18:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...

Did you forget about Christmas?

the next grozart, Tuesday, 10 June 2008 08:39 (sixteen years ago) link

thirteen years pass...

the whole hyper consumerism seems extra gross at this point. like all we heard for months was "OMG supply chain is going to cancel Christmas! how will we get all this useless shit in time?" then this morning the cable news is giving Target's delivery hours telling me I can buy things on Christmas eve for same day deliveries.
The whole premise of whatever this holiday was supposed to be is surely unrecognizable.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 December 2021 14:50 (three years ago) link

...a holiday to get drunk and play games, which was dying out until Dickens revamped it as a family holiday.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Thursday, 23 December 2021 15:58 (three years ago) link


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