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Tom: Do you know what Adderall is? Do you know Ritalin? Do you know now that Ritalin is a street drug?

Matt: I understand the abuse of all these things --

T: [interrupting] Yeah but you don’t understand the history of these drugs. And if you do, you know that it
masks the problem. There is no such thing as a chemical imbalance!

M: But --

T: No, Matt, I know these things --

[Then later …]

M: So, depression -- is it all gobbledy gook?

T: No, Matt, I’m not saying that. That’s an alteration of what I’m saying. These drugs are dangerous,
mind-altering chemicals. There are ways of handling these problems so that we don’t end up in a Brave New World.

M: You want [other people] to do well, but you want them to do well on a road that you approve of.

T: No --

M: [interrupting] But if anti-depressants worked for Brooke Shields, isn’t that OK?

T: I disagree with it.

M: But aren’t there examples where it works?

T: You don’t even know what Ritalin is! If you read the papers on how they came up with the drug, the
dosage … You should be more responsible in knowing what it is. I am responsible. I know these things.

M: You’re saying that you know how it affected people you don’t know, but I do? You’re now telling me that
what has and hasn’t worked for people I know, and I’m telling you I lived with these people and I saw an
improvement.

T: So you’re advocating?

M: No, I’m not. I’m just saying that in their individual cases, it helped them … We could go in circles on
this matter. But do you want more people to understand Scientology? Is that a goal of yours?

T: Of course. And I don’t talk about things I don’t understand.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe I'm applauding M4t L4uer. For fuck's sake, someone just headbutt this homoron already.

― Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

Wow, go Matt.

― Michael F Gill (Michael F Gill), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

I KNOW THINGS

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

I KNOW THINGS.

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

I KNOW THINGS.

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

HE BELIEVES THAT ALIENS TRAPPED OUR SOULS IN A VOLCANO AND THEN THE VOLCANO EXPLODED AND OUR SOULS WERE THEN FREE AND SETTLED HAPPILY IN THESE BODIES! WHO ELSE BELIEVES THIS? JOHN TRAVOLTA AND THE CAST OF "THAT '70S SHOW"! BUT RITALIN, THAT SHIT IS CRAZY YO, YOU'D HAVE TO BE REALLY FUCKED UP TO BELIEVE IN THAT

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Tom Cruise is the new Anne Heche. Perhaps Mariah, too.

― Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Mariah on pills is WAY hotter than Cruise NOT on pills.

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

http://anneheche.free.fr/CallMeCrazy_us_fichiers/CallMeCrazy.jpg

― Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I am responsible. I know these things.

can somebody make a good image macro out of this? I am without photoshop for another 6 hours.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

I read this. He's insane.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

Isn't there some court of law in place to force certain celebrities to have handlers? If there isn't, I think the justice system is a goddamn sham.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

I mean even where he might have a valid point (overprescription of drugs esp. stuff like ritalin to kids, for example) he presents it so insanely that you can't take it seriously.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

TYLENOL IS WEAKENING AMERICA
IBUPROFEN IS POISON

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:44 (twenty years ago)

In 100% brutal honesty, I rather be forced to spend an hour with Michael Jackson than Tom Cruise.

― Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Xenu

In Scientology doctrine, Xenu is a galactic ruler who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living. These events are known as "Incident II" or "The Wall of Fire," and the traumatic memories associated with them are known as the "R6 implant." Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III in 1967, famously warning that R6 was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it." Much controversy between the Church of Scientology and its critics has focused on Xenu. The Church avoids making mention of Xenu in public statements and has gone to considerable effort to maintain the story's confidentiality, including legal action on both copyright and trade secrecy grounds. Critics claim that revealing the story is in the public interest, given the high prices charged for OT III. The Xenu story prompted the use of the volcano as a Scientology symbol.

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Did he forget to plug his Independence Day remake?

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/Image572.gif

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

In Scientology doctrine, Xenu is a galactic ruler who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs.

Er, what????

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

ihttp://www.byrnerobotics.com/forum/uploads/FrankStrysik/2004-05-16_171204_xemnu.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

"Er, what????"

Hey it's no crazier than Mormonism.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Tom Cruise will save us from the GALACTIC OVERLORDS using PRE-CRIME.

― elmo (allocryptic), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y298/hukl/bizarro.jpg

― Huk-L, Friday, 24 June 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

Hey it's no crazier than Mormonism

HAHAHAHAHA!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, these people are plum crackers.

― Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

Xemnu

Xemnu the Titan, an intergalactic ruler and conqueror, arrived on Earth. Xemnu used his immense powers to hypnotize the entire population of the world, and then ordered the humans to begin work on an enormous spaceship which would be able to return him to his home world. However one Earthman was able to resist Xemnu's hypnotic control, and using an ordinary mirror was able to turn Xemnu's hypnotic gaze back at the alien. Somehow this resulted in Xemnu being transformed into a gaseous state, which was hurled into outer space by the pressures of Earth's atmosphere. Once free from Xemnu's influence human beings lost their memories of the alien and what he had made them do for him.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

BATTLEFIELD FUCKING EARTH MUTHAFUCKAZ!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

Tom obviously knows that Crack is safer than Ritalin.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1325000/images/_1329689_travolta150.jpg

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

No really, just how fucking stupid would you have to be to buy this shit?

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

L Ron's fellow 50s sci-fi writers crack up every time Tom opens his mouth. I bet this was all a big joke they thought up at dinner parties before the big wife swap.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Isn't there some court of law in place to force certain celebrities to have handlers? If there isn't, I think the justice system is a goddamn sham.

Didn't TC recently fire his old handler and give the job to his sister?

― Huk-L, Friday, 24 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

I would like to note that XEMNU first appeared in 1960. XENU in '67. Connect the dots from the Marvel comic to the opium-addled sci-fi author.

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

The funny thing is that the Today Show and Cruise were real good friends less than two weeks ago.

― miccio (miccio), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

http://x4.putfile.com/5/14710182941.gif http://x4.putfile.com/5/14710182941.gif http://x4.putfile.com/5/14710182941.gif

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

"The funny thing is that the Today Show and Cruise were real good friends less than two weeks ago."

They always kick ya when you are down.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

"I would like to note that XEMNU first appeared in 1960. XENU in '67. Connect the dots from the Marvel comic to the opium-addled sci-fi author."

Hahaha is that some Galactus reference?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

Jeanne OTM. At least you could ask Michael to do the Thriller dance for you, and maybe ride the amusement park rides.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

According to "Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons," a new book by John Carter (a pseudonym), Hubbard chanted incantations while Parsons and his new lover, Marjorie Cameron, tried to produce a "moon child," a "magical child" with superior intellect and powers whose birth would occur on the astral plane, not the physical one.

The ceremony was to span 12 consecutive nights. But when rituals called for a naked pregnant woman to jump nine times through fire to ensure a safe delivery, the neighbors began protesting. The police looked into the matter, but nothing came of their investigation.

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/latimes/lat-031900.htm

― elmo (allocryptic), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

that's like the last video feed image of a live oprah broadcast: "communcation was lost after this....with Chicago, we mean."

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

A Series of Missives About Scientology's Gulags. (c/o Metafilter.)

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Scientology sounds so EXCITING! WTF am I doing pissing around in reality tunnel constant redefining spazgnosticism or whatever the fuck it is I'm into?

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

I guess I realize that all religions have some far-out shit, but for some reason I trust ancient scrolls and historical evidence more than the dude who wrote Mission Earth Vol. 7: Voyage of Vengeance.

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

I am reasonably certain my wife would totally kick my ass if I suggested to her that she jump through rings of fire while pregnant in order to produce a moon child.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

I think it's awesome that he threatens to threaten the culture of celebrity (but ok probably not really). Would that the be an entirely good thing, though? Would probably be really bad for the economy.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Wait, wait, Dan, you didn't know all that Xenu stuff about Scientology? Really? Dude, it's completely insane.

Go nuts:

http://www.xenu.net/

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

Dan OTM. I'd really hate to see what you look like after she was done contemplating your suggestion.

― Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Tom Cruise, pork chop.

― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

"I guess I realize that all religions have some far-out shit, but for some reason I trust ancient scrolls and historical evidence more than the dude who wrote Mission Earth Vol. 7: Voyage of Vengeance."

Yeah that series really went to shit after the Vol. 3: The Enemy Within.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 24 June 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

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I bet this was all a big joke they thought up at dinner parties before the big wife swap.

I had actually just heard a story from a workmate that said just that...he said it was like Vonneget, Hubbard, and some other dudes that had a bet to see whose fake religion would be most successful...the story claims that Scientology took off and Hubbard just rolled wit it....This is probably just an urban legend, but I like it so I'm choosing to believe it.

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 24 June 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

heh. i wonder if Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land was his attempt...

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 24 June 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

actually i think heinlein was the other guy in the bet, according the story

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 24 June 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

first link found by typing "hubbard start a religion money" into google

http://www.bible.ca/scientology-1million-start-a-religion.htm

― milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 24 June 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

http://www.radaronline.com/fresh-intelligence/2005/06/17/index.php#001291

Katie Holmes may have fallen for it, but Tom Cruise’s sci-fi seduction technique scared the bejeezus out of Scarlett Johansson, a source close to the actress says. Weeks before he began wooing his brainwashed bride-to-be, Cruise made repeated phone calls to the 19-year-old starlet—who was then set to co-star with him in Mission Impossible III—imploring her to meet him at the Scientology Celebrity Center in L.A. But when the actress finally agreed, the supposedly professional get-together took an oddly spiritual turn. “[Cruise] took me into this room, which was stifling hot, and was showing me all kinds of info about joining the church,” Johansson told our source. “The whole time he didn’t even offer me a cookie!” Instead, he offered her dinner—and a glimpse into the Twilight Zone.

After two hours of proselytizing, our source says Cruise opened a door to reveal a second room full of upper-level Scientologists who had been waiting to dine with the pair, at which point the cool-headed ingenue politely excused herself. Soon after the meeting, Johansson dropped out of Mission Impossible III, reportedly due to scheduling conflicts. Asked about the incident, Johansson’s momager, Melanie Johansson, referred Radar to a publicist, who did not return calls or emails seeking comment. After striking out with Johansson, Cruise reportedly turned his attentions to 24-year-old Jessica Alba, 22-year-old Kate Bosworth, and 18-year-old Lindsay Lohan, before settling on the 26-year-old Holmes. As far we know, Cruise’s War of the Worlds co-star, Dakota Fanning, was never under consideration.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:22 (twenty years ago)

hahahaha

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)

Didn't even offer her a cookie *tsk tsk*

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

i'm offering her a stress test

― ryan duelberg (duelberg), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

I am offering her one orgasam.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

This guy is going to go on a killing spree pretty soon.

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

oh man, he'd be just the thing for lindsay lohan.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:37 (twenty years ago)

Maybe Lindsay's change came from being traumatized by Teh Cruise. I mean, at that impressionable age...

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)

Johansson’s momager

cute word.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

I mean, being barely legal and all...

x-post

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

According to "Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons," a new book by John Carter (a pseudonym), Hubbard chanted incantations while Parsons and his new lover, Marjorie Cameron, tried to produce a "moon child," a "magical child" with superior intellect and powers whose birth would occur on the astral plane, not the physical one.

The ceremony was to span 12 consecutive nights. But when rituals called for a naked pregnant woman to jump nine times through fire to ensure a safe delivery, the neighbors began protesting. The police looked into the matter, but nothing came of their investigation.

http://www.lermanet.com/scientologynews/latimes/lat-031900.htm

-- elmo (elmo.oxyge...), June 24th, 2005.

great book, btw!

l ron hubbard stole a lot of ideas/techniques from his dabblings in LA occult/crowley-ite/new age circles, mixed them up with some watered down freud/jung/pop-psychology etc., and added his own sci-fi bullshit and thus dianetics was born.

― ra's al latebloomer: not a dolphin lover, honest (latebloomer), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

John Carter (a pseudonym)

hahahaha. Psuedonym of Mars!

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 24 June 2005 23:43 (twenty years ago)

I was watching a film critic tonight, who offered another insight. He said that there is some reasonable likelihood, as an insider, that War of the Worlds is going to be a HUGE bomb (which would be Spielberg's first; the film cost over $200 mill, I believe), and what we're witnessing from Cruise is the emotional strain/pressure/desperation from watching his stardom potentially topple. Well, it's an interesting theory, at least...

― Joe (Joe), Saturday, 25 June 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cinema.com/image_lib/8916_poster_thumb.jpg
http://www.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/a/a6/200px-Mission-earth-1-the-invaders-plan.jpg

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 25 June 2005 00:34 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't be surprised if Cruise were bipolar himself. Men tend to manifest more with manic episodes, and I know what that performance on Oprah's couch looked like.

Holy shit, Gear! You've uncovered the global conspiracy!

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 25 June 2005 00:39 (twenty years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000658FS.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― Joe (Joe), Saturday, 25 June 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

(well, it was either that, or the Styx Crystal Ball album cover)

― Joe (Joe), Saturday, 25 June 2005 00:40 (twenty years ago)

"Sex and Rockets: The Occult World of Jack Parsons," a new book by John Carter

Actually it's been out for some years now, perhaps it's been reprinted/updated.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 June 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

http://www.religio.de/atack/occ1.html

this a pretty interesting article by jon atack who wrote the classic scientology critique 'a piece of blue sky'. it's on the occult/ origins of dianetics.

apparently even aleister crowley had a low opinion of hubbard.

― ra's al latebloomer: not a dolphin lover, honest (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 June 2005 02:08 (twenty years ago)

Del Close, one of the biggest figures in improv comedy, was good friends with Hubbard. A new bio claims that Del told Hubbard he should turn his sci-fi into a religion because "he could make a lot of money with this shit."

fuck a tertiary source, Close put the anecdote into one of the autobio strips in his 1980s anthology comic series, Wasteland.

Yeah that series really went to shit after the Vol. 3: The Enemy Within.

Because Hubbard died after that one? L. Ron fanboyism EXPOSED!

― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 25 June 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)

Have you read the new Del bio, Kit? It's great.

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 25 June 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

I would guess the total number of copies that currently or will ever exist in Australian bookstores approximates zero. I'd definitely be interested, but the only thing I've ever seen him in here is the Blob remake on late-night telly, and that was on purpose cos one of the comics mentioned he was in it! cultural currency = nil.

― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 25 June 2005 05:04 (twenty years ago)

Haha, I think the number of copies in American bookstores is pretty close to zero as well.
Jeff Griggs was a student of his who looked after him when he got sick and this is more a memoir of that period rather than full-on bio. Great annecdotes and period stuff.

Amazon has it here: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566636140/qid=1119679526/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/104-3601523-8750369?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 25 June 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)

He said that there is some reasonable likelihood, as an insider, that War of the Worlds is going to be a HUGE bomb (which would be Spielberg's first; the film cost over $200 mill, I believe), and what we're witnessing from Cruise is the emotional strain/pressure/desperation from watching his stardom potentially topple.

Actually, wouldn't 1941 qualify as his first bomb? Though the imdb.com seems to show that eventually it made nearly three times its budget...

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 25 June 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

joss whedon shd turn the crowley/parsons/cameron/elron story shd into a TV series: there wd be NO BORING EPISODES

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 June 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

totally! it'd make a good movie, too.

― ra's al latebloomer: not a dolphin lover, honest (latebloomer), Saturday, 25 June 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Or maybe a TV series called "The True Adventures of the Sea Org":

http://www.clambake.org/archive/so/so5.jpg

In 1967, L. Ron Hubbard raised a private navy, appointed himself Commodore, donned a dashing uniform of his own design and set forth on an extraordinary odyssey, leading a fleet of ships across the oceans variously pursued by the CIA, the FBI, the international press and a miscellany of suspicious government and maritime agencies.

See, the premise is already written!

Especially creepy because Sea Org members believed if they die, they will be reincarnated to be in the Sea Org again:

http://www.clambake.org/archive/so/SO1996.jpg

― elmo (allocryptic), Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

In case you missed it....watch Cruise here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8343367/

It doesn't really get interesting until about 8 minutes into it.

― Christian, Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

x-post What you missed from that press conference transcript is that after the reporter identified himself as from "The Boston Phoenix," Cruise turned to Spielberg for reassurance. Spielberg supposedly quietly confirmed "that's a good paper."

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

“The whole time he didn’t even offer me a cookie!”

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

a sea org 91020 type series wd indeed be good (done popular/malcolm in middle self-reflexive sarcastic style for my taste) (yes i am a pomoho)

BUT

what i am envisaging requires action from
i. order of the golden dawn era uk-based shenagigans
ii. 40s cali-hex physicist-as-satanist shenagigans (inc.stuff on the TECHNOCRATS)
iii. elron as young amazing-stories hack shenagigans (inc.stuff on the FUTURIANS)
iv. the church of latterday (b)org ruckus shenagigans (inc.elron as sad howard hughes type w.kleenex-box shoes and asthma as his GIANT-SIZED PRANK EATS HIS BODY FROM INSIDE)

(high concept is my middle name)

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Mark S, I love you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

http://www.xenu.net/archive/fifties/asf.jpg

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

Elron eating Funyuns & Pizza, by artist Brandon Bird.

http://www.brandonbird.com/ronsmall.jpg

― elmo (allocryptic), Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

there's stuff about it (the whole rocket scientist/occultist los angeles/ OTO stuff that is) in books by kenneth anger *and* mike davis. beat that!

mark is right: this would make a great series, only no one would want to risk being sued by the scientologists!

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

however i suppose they could change some names, jumble u p a few competing religions/ideologies/histories, and it could be some kind of black satire.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

wait, i feel like this has already been written. there's a novel that's sort of loosely based on the whole OTO scene, right? i mean aside from elrond's novels.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

i bet the mike davis/kenneth anger crossover set contains more than just this amt!!

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

less than you might think, though, since davis pretty much avoids writing about hollywood stuff.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

btw kenneth anger, aged 78 or whatever, was recently arrested for assault. he has a new movie out too. but he still can't find a publisher (or so he says) for "hollywood babylon 3."

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

anger and cruise should hit the road together.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

http://www.laurelindorenan.com/Elrond%202.jpg
"thetans? thetans are WEAK!"

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

did you see cruise's arms though - veins bulging, and it's not even eight in the morning, I KNOW, and I'm like, ONE OF US - this is a fragile mind burnt out from the absence of a decent 7 inch sub, and where was Katie during the last 14 days of april? And wasn't Amistad Speilberg's big ass biter?

― Queen Getthatmuthafucka Out of My studio, Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

The sea org stuff was parodied in the Illuminatus Trilogy. I heard one version of the story about making a bet to start a religion that involved Robert Anton Wilson. I've also heard that same story involving Forry Ackerman and Carl Sagan.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

the one i heard also involved st. paul and mohammed.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

TS i don't wanna do the homwork for plz: Hubbard vs Wilson

― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

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