Give me one good reason not to file for bankruptcy

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The best I can come up with is that it'll put me in a different social class.

out of ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

"And I can't sail my yacht . . . "

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

You wont be able to leave the country or start a business?

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

I just had this dream that put me in a mindset I haven't really felt since high school. I realized that the set of referents that govern my life right now are the basest, most desperate imaginable. That there was a time when I could afford to think of what I wanted to create. But I won't bore you with that David Copperfield crap....

out of ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

I think in the US you can still leave the country. And I'm not starting a business, that's corrupt.

out of ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

I mean businesses are what put me in this situation people

out of ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

i'm haevily in debt and while i pay huuuge chunks off it each week (£125.00 each week) i wait for my life to begin, on the plus side it'll only be about 40 weeks now untill i'm all paid up, and i wouldn't have had to file for buncruptcy or sell myself, or ask my dad for a handout, or get a loan.

on a downer there are so many things i want to do but can't allow myself the expenditure untill i'm all paid up.

i will have a massive FAP though when i'm paid up, because that will take me up untill my birthday so it'll be a debt free birthday bash FAp!

battlingspacemonkey (battlingspacemonkey), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)

That's almost a year out of your young, vital life though! Think of how much you're missing by not "following your muse"!

out of ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

think of how much more he would miss if the bailiffs came and took his computer/stereo/dvd/tv/cd collection/etc. difficult to follow your muse on a bare bed and the clothes you were left standing in.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 10:07 (twenty years ago)

Oh you English people are so practical. I'm not exactly trying to forge empires across the globe. More reckless advice please. Wake up Americans!

Really though does material comfort make it easier to follow your muse? Or does it just coddle your muse into eternal slumber ha ha ha...

out of ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

Doesnt filing also mean you're fucked on getting credit ever again? Loans and the like?

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

Oh you English people

DON'T FUCKIN TRY IT

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)

i know its a year out of my life, but i was being threatened with court, jail and baliffs, and considering most of the stuff i have is not all mine anyways i thought best to get it all paid off, also here in the uk you cant get credit cards/ bank accounts for about 5-7 years.

the thought of changing my name, fleeing the country, and becoming a pole dancer did cross my mind...

that and faking my own death etc....

battlingspacemonkey (battlingspacemonkey), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

The laws were changed quite recently so that the period of bankruptcy was reduced. Now it's only something like a year or 18 months. Do a bit of research. It's definietely tempting nowadays. I am seriously contemplating either going bankrupt or doing another runner.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

Michael Barrymore was declared bankrupt but they still let him emigrate to New Zealand.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

mind you, seeing as big brother has rehabilitated the notion of the "workhouse," i'm sure our government will easily find a way to reintroduce the debtors' prison as well.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

"but this time we'll stretch a point," said the official hurriedly

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

I've give you a reason to do it sooner rather than later:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Major_US_bankruptcy_reform_bill_signed_into_law
http://www.personal-bankruptcy-chapters-7-13-filing-laws.com/bankruptcy-law.htm
http://www.personal-bankruptcy-chapters-7-13-filing-laws.com/laws/new-law-effective.htm

You might make too much money to qualify after the bankruptcy reform laws go into effect. You're not fucked forever, credit-wise, just something like seven years although that might have changed also. You can probably get a free consultation from a bankruptcy attorney to find out if it's really a viable option, although I'd avoid those people who advertise on TV just out of principle.

pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

Eyeball, what is stopping you then? And what's a runner? And am I officially indoctrinated into ILX now that Marcello has yelled at me, that's in the charter isn't it?

no more ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

http://www.csbsju.edu/music/ensembles/Opera/Photos/figaro3-23-03/there%20there.jpg

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

can you really be kept in the country if you declare? that sounds very dickensian.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Aren't there poor people around?

no more ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Battling space monkey--are you not paying what you originally owed then? Did you consolidate or something?

I don't understand consolidating. What's in it for the consolidators exactly? They're for-profit aren't they?

out of ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

If your financial problems are in such a state that your main reaction is to, umm, make vague comments on the internet about "following your muse," my guess is that, you know ... no, you've got nothing to file for bankruptcy over. When you've got a file folder spread open in front of a debt counselor, maybe.

Some consolidators are for-profit, some aren't. They buy the debt off of the people you owe it to -- often for less than the face value -- and then take your payments. The people you originally owed get their money and don't have to worry about you; the consolidators set you up at a lower rate and collect from there.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha. But I don't want a debt counselor's advice because I wouldn't imagine that they put any premium on 'following your muse'. I don't think I'm being vague?

no more ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

erm they give you advice = they may point something out you haven't thought of (quite likely i'd have thought)

you're the one who factors in the "premium on following your muse" (hint: it's MUCH easier to do if you're not worried about debts)

consolidation is a good idea PROVIDED YOU GET GOOD ADVICE (otherwise you will get ripped off and end up paying more)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

They'll point out how I can be more middle class. I have no interest in that.

out of ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

why don't you set up as a general giver of advice? since you obviously know everything there is to know already...

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

http://www.msdivine.net/theyoungones/rickpeas.jpg

"They'll point out how I can be more middle class. I have no interest in that."

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

http://www.eslkidstuff.com/images/grandmother.gif

"why don't you set up as a general giver of advice? since you obviously know everything there is to know already..."

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

NB I'm beginning to suspect that punk rock has rotted the brains of a scary percentage of young American males.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

(Dead silence as thread participants scurry to consolidate student loans.)

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

?

out of ducats, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Punk rock?

I've always thought it was odd how when people present problems on ILX there will always be a call to "get professional help". Isn't the very virtue of this board pinned on the idea that dispassionate professionalism can't hold a candle to partisan lived experience...Mark S, you warn me to "GET GOOD ADVICE" but that's exactly why I came here instead of to people I have no affinity for.

broke etc, Wednesday, 29 June 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

Eyeball, what is stopping you then? And what's a runner?

What's stopping me going bankrupt is mostly the same general laziness that got me into big debts in the first place.

Also I would like to wait until I have put more space, legally speaking, between myself and another person who might become unfairly involved.

A 'runner' is where you move house and tell nobody official, thereby clearing all your debts at a stroke. I have successfully done this twice, but the amounts involved were smaller. Also I am older and more nervous. I have heard of people being traced abroad, years later. Dunno how common that is. When I disappeared I went no further than round the corner, if they had only thought to look.

Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

ducats: i have a scary growth on my [x] - what is it and what should i do!!
ilx: GO SEE A DOCTOR!!
ducats: oh please! why would i want to talk to a DOCTOR, a middleclass person i have nothing in common with, who doubtless will sneering claim to know all kinds of stuff i don't know myself?!!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

I've read a lot about the quantitative effects of declaring bankruptcy but maybe I don't know it all...I'll talk to someone.

But I'm still curious about my first comment above. I can't say to a debt counselor "will declaring bankruptcy put me in a different social class?" I can't ask the oncologist "will having cancer affect my relationships with other people"? And these questions are equally if not more important than actually combating the disease, aren't they?

-$$$$$$, Wednesday, 29 June 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

karl marx spent most of his "life" in london doing a runner from creditors, virtually on a weekly basis.

you can either regard this as (a) suffering helps make a legend; or (b) do as i say not as i do vis-a-vis kommunism.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 June 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

if i ever ended up in that situation - fingers crossed/wood touched that i don't - i wouldn't run. they could come and take the lot as far as i'm concerned. no use to me. all remnants of a defunct past. then maybe i could start with a truly clean slate and be able to live a proper life.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 June 2005 05:26 (twenty years ago)

What ever happened to the rayher quaint notion of just doing without? I've done this for most of my life, and as a result I dont *have* any debts, and I live pretty comfortably.

Sorry, I'm being facetious arent I. Ah well.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 30 June 2005 07:52 (twenty years ago)

london is expensive, trayce.

(yeah i know...do without london. but i've got nowhere else to go)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 30 June 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)


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