Do dome people believe that Judas was the Son of God?

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In his “Three Versions of Judas,” Borges logically "proves" Judas to be the Son of God. Was this the writer's (or anyone's) sincere conviction, or merely a hyperbolic device, contrived to debunk dogmatic adherence to accepted interpretations of the Gospel Story?

― James Vona, Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:25 (twenty years ago)

What's with all the theological questions today?

Are you secretly ~~god~~ My Mum, testing me on the faith I claim to have lost?

― MIS Information (kate), Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

These questions just seem to be pressing on me more at this point in my life.

― James Vona, Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.buckminster.info/Pics/Books/CvrBk-TheDomePeople.jpg

― Si-C@rter, Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

http://www.birminghamuk.com/EdenProject/My%20Files0074.jpg

haha ~~HIVE~~DOMEMIND!!

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)

Borges is an inventor, is the short answer. The notion of Judas as humanity's redeemer (I can't remember if he actually says Son of God, it's been a while since I've read Borges) is cleverly and beautifully set out in that fiction. Roy Harper made a similar point in "Don't You Grieve", but I don't know if he'd read Borges or not. Perhaps there has been an idea running thru history that Judas made the ultimate sacrifice.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

Yes, dome people believe that judas was the son of god. cone people on the other hand believe it was zippy.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

i think borges was imagining possible heresies (but i think he was also well read in ACTUAL histories of heresy, and the antinomian wing of these DID use logic to interpret bible-reading in heroically unexpected ways)

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 30 June 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, but apparently cylinder people believe it's Chef Boyardee.

― Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 30 June 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

You may be a construction worker working on a home,
You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome,
You might own guns and you might even own tanks,
You might be somebody's landlord, you might even own banks

But you're gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You're gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you're gonna have to serve somebody.

― Another Allnighter (sexyDancer), Thursday, 30 June 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

Borges is essentially a gnostic in that story.

― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 30 June 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

Don't gnostic believe that Cain was the son of God, or something like that?

― I know some come from the reality (wetmink), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

The number and permutation of heresies derived from Christian theology are mind-blowing vast. People have had so many interpretations of the gospels, I wouldn't be surprised if some people did believe this, or many other things, about Judas.

― elmo (allocryptic), Thursday, 30 June 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

in that shitty movie dracula 2000 it is revealed that dracula is....JUDAS ISCARIOT

― latebloomer: now with 20% less cetacean content (latebloomer), Friday, 1 July 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

SERIOUSLY THAT'S LIKE THE ONLY THING I REMEMBER ABOUT THAT MOVIE

― latebloomer: now with 20% less cetacean content (latebloomer), Friday, 1 July 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

From the Wikipedia:

Judas is also the subject of many philosophical writings, including The Problem of Natural Evil by Bertrand Russell and Three Versions of Judas, a short story by Jorge Luis Borges. They both allege various problematic ideological contradictions with the discrepancy between Judas' actions and his eternal punishment.

*If Jesus foresees Judas' betrayal then Judas has no free will, and cannot avoid betraying Jesus. If Judas can not control his betrayal of Jesus, then his punishment and portrayal as a traitor in western culture is undeserved
*If Judas is sent to Hell for his betrayal, and his betrayal was a necessary step in the humanity-saving death of Jesus Christ, then Judas is being punished for saving humanity
*If Jesus only suffered while dying on the cross, and then ascended into Heaven, while Judas must suffer for eternity in Hell, then Judas has suffered much more for the sins of humanity than Jesus, and his role in the Atonement is that much more significant

The Bible also states that on the cross Christ forgave those that had contributed to his death, saying that they "know not what they do." However Judas seems to have not been included in this pardon.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Friday, 1 July 2005 00:48 (twenty years ago)

Dum of 'em do, dum of 'em don't.

― Stoner Guy, Friday, 1 July 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)

Borges is the son of god ;;;;;;;;;;;;;;!

love that guy

― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Friday, 1 July 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

i can foresee my girlfriend being angry if i don't call her tonight, that doesn't mean she lacks free will! (or maybe she does. or maybe i do.)

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 1 July 2005 05:09 (twenty years ago)

seventeen years pass...

what are dome people

― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 19:56 (three years ago)

i thought we got this sorted

― ꙮ (map), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 19:57 (three years ago)

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2013/06/23/arts/23KING1_SPAN/23JPS-KING1-jumbo.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp

― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 20:00 (three years ago)

Gettin dome with my people

― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 20:04 (three years ago)

"Today you will be with me in ~~paradise~~ the Pleasure Dome."

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 20:08 (three years ago)

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/1f6ff2333f9e300a3090e310e4d2601b688b671b/0_483_7240_4344/master/7240.jpg

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 20:14 (three years ago)

Neanderthal, were you searching ilx for "Judas" or "dome"?

― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 21 June 2023 20:58 (three years ago)

These questions just seem to be pressing on me more at this point in my life.

― Alito Bit of Soap (President Keyes), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 21:03 (three years ago)

Judas Priest...but it returned a few non Priest results

― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 21:38 (three years ago)

Some people surely believe that Rob Halford is the Son of God.

― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 21:40 (three years ago)

Had no idea this was a Biblical epic

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNDk1NzcyNTg5MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNDg4MDUyMQ@@._V1_.jpg

― Fish Sticks in the Fanny Pack (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 21:43 (three years ago)

Pretty sure Bruce Gilbert and Graham Lewis aren’t conventionally religious.

― Crabber B. Munson (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 21 June 2023 21:52 (three years ago)

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