Army recruits shortfall blamed on Iraq war critics By Vicki Allen1 hour, 17 minutes agoSeveral Senate Republicans denounced other lawmakers and the news media on Thursday for unfavorable depictions of the Iraq war and the Pentagon urged members of Congress to talk up military service to help ease a recruiting shortfall.Families are discouraging young men and women from enlisting "because of all the negative media that's out there," Sen. James Inhofe (news, bio, voting record), an Oklahoma Republican, said at a U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.Inhofe also said that other senators' criticism of the war contributed to the propaganda of U.S. enemies. He did not name the senators.Army Chief of Staff Peter Schoomaker urged members of Congress to use "your considerable influence to explain to the American people and to those that are influencers out there how important it is for our young people to serve this nation at a time like this."The Army on Wednesday said it was 14 percent, or about 7,800 recruits, behind its year-to-date recruitment target even though it exceeded its monthly target in June. With extended deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, recruiting also is down for the National Guard and the Reserves."With the deluge of negative news that we get daily, it's just amazing to me that anybody would want to sign up," said Sen. Pat Roberts (news, bio, voting record), a Kansas Republican.Facing flagging support for the Iraq war that has killed about 1,750 U.S. forces, President Bush in a speech on Tuesday acknowledged the nation's doubts about the strategy but insisted the operation was worthwhile and portrayed Iraq as a key battlefield against terrorists.Bush himself made a pitch for military service. "We live in freedom because every generation has produced patriots willing to serve a cause greater than themselves. Those who serve today are taking their rightful place among the greatest generations that have worn our nation's uniform," he said.While Bush has rejected calls for a timetable to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq, Virginia Republican Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), the committee chairman, pressed the Pentagon to declassify information on progress of training Iraq's forces, considered a key indicator of when U.S. forces can return home."The American taxpayer put a tremendous investment in that retraining and the equipping," Warner said. With that information, he said, "We can better translate where we are in terms of hopefully providing them (Iraqis) with trained individuals and equipment to eventually replace our forces."Democrats questioned the Pentagon officials on how the Iraq war has strained the military's readiness for other potential conflicts and on delays in providing troops with adequate armor against car bombs and other explosives.Sen. Edward Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), a Massachusetts Democrat, said while Bush urged Americans "to raise flags" in honor of U.S. troops in Iraq, the president did not assure troops "they will have the equipment they need to fight the war, and he should have."Schoomaker acknowledged up to 25 percent of the Humvees in Iraq still had the low grade of protective armor, but he said all should be equipped with higher grade armor in September.He also agreed that in some cases the level of readiness of units was below desired levels because of the strain of the Iraq conflict and the Army's efforts to streamline its operations.In his testimony, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee said readiness for battalion and squadron-sized Marine units had dropped by 40 percent because of the priority put on sustaining units in Iraq at the expense of the units that had rotated out of the war.
By Vicki Allen1 hour, 17 minutes ago
Several Senate Republicans denounced other lawmakers and the news media on Thursday for unfavorable depictions of the Iraq war and the Pentagon urged members of Congress to talk up military service to help ease a recruiting shortfall.
Families are discouraging young men and women from enlisting "because of all the negative media that's out there," Sen. James Inhofe (news, bio, voting record), an Oklahoma Republican, said at a U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee hearing.
Inhofe also said that other senators' criticism of the war contributed to the propaganda of U.S. enemies. He did not name the senators.
Army Chief of Staff Peter Schoomaker urged members of Congress to use "your considerable influence to explain to the American people and to those that are influencers out there how important it is for our young people to serve this nation at a time like this."
The Army on Wednesday said it was 14 percent, or about 7,800 recruits, behind its year-to-date recruitment target even though it exceeded its monthly target in June. With extended deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, recruiting also is down for the National Guard and the Reserves.
"With the deluge of negative news that we get daily, it's just amazing to me that anybody would want to sign up," said Sen. Pat Roberts (news, bio, voting record), a Kansas Republican.
Facing flagging support for the Iraq war that has killed about 1,750 U.S. forces, President Bush in a speech on Tuesday acknowledged the nation's doubts about the strategy but insisted the operation was worthwhile and portrayed Iraq as a key battlefield against terrorists.
Bush himself made a pitch for military service. "We live in freedom because every generation has produced patriots willing to serve a cause greater than themselves. Those who serve today are taking their rightful place among the greatest generations that have worn our nation's uniform," he said.
While Bush has rejected calls for a timetable to withdraw U.S. troops from Iraq, Virginia Republican Sen. John Warner (news, bio, voting record), the committee chairman, pressed the Pentagon to declassify information on progress of training Iraq's forces, considered a key indicator of when U.S. forces can return home.
"The American taxpayer put a tremendous investment in that retraining and the equipping," Warner said. With that information, he said, "We can better translate where we are in terms of hopefully providing them (Iraqis) with trained individuals and equipment to eventually replace our forces."
Democrats questioned the Pentagon officials on how the Iraq war has strained the military's readiness for other potential conflicts and on delays in providing troops with adequate armor against car bombs and other explosives.
Sen. Edward Kennedy (news, bio, voting record), a Massachusetts Democrat, said while Bush urged Americans "to raise flags" in honor of U.S. troops in Iraq, the president did not assure troops "they will have the equipment they need to fight the war, and he should have."
Schoomaker acknowledged up to 25 percent of the Humvees in Iraq still had the low grade of protective armor, but he said all should be equipped with higher grade armor in September.
He also agreed that in some cases the level of readiness of units was below desired levels because of the strain of the Iraq conflict and the Army's efforts to streamline its operations.
In his testimony, Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Michael Hagee said readiness for battalion and squadron-sized Marine units had dropped by 40 percent because of the priority put on sustaining units in Iraq at the expense of the units that had rotated out of the war.
Gotta love this; even if you raise ANY doubts about the Party line, you are automatically helping the insurgents. And since Dubya himself now uses "insurgents" and "terrorists" interchangably...
Again, it's all in the perception. Style counts; substance matters not. Doesn't matter that we're actually torturing folks; it only helps the enemies if they actually know about it from our newsmedia, since we can automatically discredit any innocent prisoners who've already been released.
But still, why should we worry if recruiting numbers fall? Didn't the Preznit say that he wouldn't be sending more troops to Iraq, since that would be sending the "wrong signals"? Of course, this was within 5 minutes of also pleading for more folks to enlist.
Also, good thing that the AP writer made sure to mention all the Repub congressfolk who've raised doubts(e.g. remember the "Freedom Fries" guy?), just so that we all know this is not mere partisian hackery...
― kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 30 June 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)
(Actual photo taken 16 klicks south of Basra on June 28th by British Long-Range Reconnaissance Patrol.)
― andy --, Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)
― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)
― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)
― Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)
― andy --, Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:27 (twenty years ago)
don't you love the communist overtones of "willing to serve a cause greater than themselves"? if only that applied to this administration's stance on health care, joblessness, etc...
― the underground homme (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)
poor people, though? nah....thats not worth it
― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)
― andy --, Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)
uh....?
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)
Recruiting numbers bounce back for Army
Associated PressPublished June 30, 2005
WASHINGTON -- The Army has exceeded its recruiting goal for June after four months of shortfalls, Pentagon officials said Wednesday.
Still, the service is far behind its targets to meet the annual goal of 80,000 recruits.
Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a town hall meeting of Pentagon personnel that the recruiting picture had improved.
"I will tell you that, for the month of June, United States Army active recruiting is over 100 percent of its goal, which is a turnaround from where they've been in the last several months," he said.
Pentagon officials said the Army Reserve also met its recruiting goal in June. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the Army has not formally announced its numbers.
The Army's goal for its active-duty force June was 5,650 recruits; so far, more than 6,150 signed up, the officials said, citing preliminary statistics from recruiting stations.
The Army Reserve hoped to sign up 3,610; it has barely exceeded that goal, the officials said.
The active-duty Army is still 7,800 recruits behind its year-to-date goal. The service hoped to recruit 80,000 into its ranks between Oct. 1, 2004, and this Sept. 30.
The general nominated to succeed Myers told Congress on Wednesday that the nation's parents should not stand in the way of sons and daughters who want to join the military.
"Those who are looking to serve this country should be encouraged to do so," said Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
"This is not about money, it's about message," Pace told a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on his nomination to be chairman of the joint chiefs.
"I believe there is sufficient love of country, desire to serve, that if encouraged properly . . . we'll continue to fill the ranks of our services," he said.
― the underground homme (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:53 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 30 June 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 30 June 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)
― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)
― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)
(haha see what I did there.. oh dear)
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)
"In interviews, more than a dozen [College Republican] conventiongoers explained why it is important that they stay on campus while other, less fortunate people their age wage a bloody war in Iraq. They strongly support the war, they told me, but they also want to enjoy college life and pursue interesting careers. Being a College Republican allows them to do both. It is warfare by other, much safer means.
After the day's speeches, I was whisked down a hotel hallway by a guy in a baseball jersey with "Davidson" emblazoned on the back who promised me free food and drinks. Soon I was in a bright banquet hall with dozens of young Republicans. Open bars were set up in two corners of the room; in the center of the room was a catered, Mexican-style grill; on the walls, 1980s kitsch videos played on plasma TVs; in the air, the sound of suburban country music. It was all paid for by Mike Davidson, the former head of the University of California, Berkeley College Republicans and the insurgent candidate in the race for CRNC chairman. Let's get the party started.
I chatted for a while with Collin Kelley, a senior at Washington State with a vague resemblance to the studly actor Orlando Bloom. Kelley told me he's "sick and tired of people saying our troops are dying in vain" and added, "This isn't an invasion of Iraq, it's a liberation--as David Horowitz said." When I asked him why he was staying on campus rather than fighting the good fight, he rubbed his shoulder and described a nagging football injury from high school. Plus, his parents didn't want him to go. "They're old hippies," Kelley said.
Munching on a chicken quesadilla at a table nearby was Edward Hauser, a senior at St. Edwards University in Austin, Texas--a liberal school in a liberal town in the ultimate red state of Texas. "Austin is ninety square miles insulated from reality," Hauser said. When I broached the issue of Iraq, he replied, "I support our country. I support our troops." So why isn't he there?
"I know that I'm going to be better staying here and working to convince people why we're there [in Iraq]," Hauser explained, pausing in thought. "I'm a fighter, but with words."
At a table by the buffet was Justin Palmer, vice chairman of the Georgia Association of College Republicans, America's largest chapter of College Republicans. In 1984 the group gained prominence in conservative circles when its chairman, Ralph Reed, formed a political action committee credited with helping to re-elect Senator Jesse Helms. Palmer's future as a right-wing operative looked bright; he batted away my question about his decision to avoid fighting the war he supported with the closest thing I heard to a talking point all afternoon. "The country is like a body," Palmer explained, "and each part of the body has a different function. Certain people do certain things better than others." He said his "function" was planning a "Support Our Troops" day on campus this year in which students honored military recruiters from all four branches of the service.
Standing by Palmer's side and sipping a glass of rose wine, University of Georgia Republican member Kiera Ranke said she played her part as well. She and her sorority sisters sent care packages to troops in Iraq along with letters and pictures of themselves. "They wrote back and told us we boosted their morale," she said.
By the time I encountered Cory Bray, a towering senior from the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business, the beer was flowing freely. "The people opposed to the war aren't putting their asses on the line," Bray boomed from beside the bar. Then why isn't he putting his ass on the line? "I'm not putting my ass on the line because I had the opportunity to go to the number-one business school in the country," he declared, his voice rising in defensive anger, "and I wasn't going to pass that up." "
― Paul Ess (Paul Ess), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)
"Old Football Injury" .. Good one.
― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)
OMG thats hilarious.
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)
― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)
― geyser muffler and a quarter (Dave225), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)
There have probably been military interventions that I supported (Kosovo or Haiti maybe) without feeling the urge to join up.
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)
There's nothing inconsistent in supporting wars that you refuse to fight in. Shameful, maybe, hilarious to the rest of us, but not inconsistent.
― Paul Ess (Paul Ess), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)
― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)
― Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)
I think the point is less that than it is that if you're mouthing off about those who oppose the war by claiming they're not 'putting their ass on the line' while conspicuously not being there yourself, you set yourself up bigtime.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)
Why so? I'm a British citizen. A few years ago the government sent some troops to Sierra Leone, in the throes of civil war. I'm no expert, but it seemed to calm things down, and was probably a good thing. You could say I supported that intervention. Would I personally wanted to have gone out there to fight? No way! We have a professional army for that!
― Jonathan Z. (Joanthan Z.), Friday, 1 July 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)
This dude is actually my hero. Good for him for being honest.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)
I'm honest too Dan! Look! "Cory Bray can choke on a shit dildo."
― TOMBOT, Friday, 1 July 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)
My point was really that if you're going to be all self-serving and chickenshit about this, be upfront and honest about how you are being self-serving and chickenshit. At least then people will have a clear idea of where you actually stand.
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)
― TOMBOT, Friday, 1 July 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)
― TOMBOT, Friday, 1 July 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)
Oh yeaaaah...now I remember.
― Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 1 July 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)
i've never read anything so OTM in my life.
― the underground homme (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 1 July 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)
― the underground homme (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 1 July 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)
...Apparently, the enlistment shortfall isn’t due to little things like the fact that June was the fifth deadliest month of the war for U.S. soldiers or that we continue to send out troops into battle without the proper equipment to keep them safe.No, according to Inhofe, the reason the military is having trouble attracting people to fight for democracy in Iraq is due to our free press here at home. That might seem like a contradiction, but then you may not have as nuanced a concept of democracy and freedom -- not to mention reality -- as Sen. Inhofe. You see, the Senator feels the media are covering Iraq too much. They’re just not devoting enough attention to things like white girls “missing in paradise,” shark attacks, and celebrity trials. If only we could get the media to stop obsessing on what’s going on in Iraq then maybe those parents wouldn’t be as reluctant to sign their kids right up...
No, according to Inhofe, the reason the military is having trouble attracting people to fight for democracy in Iraq is due to our free press here at home. That might seem like a contradiction, but then you may not have as nuanced a concept of democracy and freedom -- not to mention reality -- as Sen. Inhofe.
You see, the Senator feels the media are covering Iraq too much. They’re just not devoting enough attention to things like white girls “missing in paradise,” shark attacks, and celebrity trials. If only we could get the media to stop obsessing on what’s going on in Iraq then maybe those parents wouldn’t be as reluctant to sign their kids right up...
― kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 2 July 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)