Who still uses film cameras?

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This is something that's been on my mind lately. For a while, because it's been niggling at me ever since the PhotoLondon and PhotoBritain 2005 threads were started, six months ago. The PhotoLondon thread is specifically, it says, for *digital* photos. My question is: how many people now solely use digital cameras and how many of you still have film ones? Who would consider getting more film kit?

I don't even *have* a digital camera myself. I borrow one when I need one - all my photos on the PhotoBritain thread were taken with a borrowed digital compact. For myself, though, I still very much prefer film, despite the cost and awkwardness. Partly I think this is because I prefer using SLRs to compact cameras, and there's no way I can afford to buy a digital SLR body still.

(I've just bought my third body, as it happens; a Nikon F801. Which is why photography is at the top of my head at the moment)

Tech Support Droid (ForestPines), Friday, 1 July 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

There never was one! [/obligatory]

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 1 July 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I have wondered about this lately too. The Kodak processing plant here in Melbourne closed its doors last year due to loss of money, because people just dont use 1 hour labs/send away film anymore. I havent used film since doing some black and white work with my old Pentax SLR and that was some years ago now. Since I got the digital (I am now on a second, a digital SLR), I've not touched film. The quality of both image and print, and the ease of use and volume just make it so much more ... well useable.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 July 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

If I had enough money/space to set up a home darkroom, I'd probably use film a lot more anyway, because I'd do a lot more BW printing.

Tech Support Droid (ForestPines), Friday, 1 July 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

i love SLR's and processing your own pics....mmmm developing fluid....
i also love the discovery of old unprocessed but fully exposed films in a long forgotten jar or camera and the processing it and aw2akening old memories...

you dont get that wi' digital

battlingspacemonkey (battlingspacemonkey), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)

yeah i loved developing pics too :D I had my own enlarger and everything, but its interstate at my parents and Ive no space to turn into a darkroom in a flat :(

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

thats such a shame, i know how that feels i had full access at my uni to all the developing suites, and then i moved to my 'rents place and i have nothing but the camera and films themselves....bah!

battlingspacemonkey (battlingspacemonkey), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:10 (twenty years ago)

Well, my girlfriend and I still use 35mm a fair bit: I've got a Minox GT-E (which is easy to carry anywhere) and she's a Pentax SLR enthusiast. She's also got a little Olympus digital camera, but this is primarily used for ebay ads and inpromptu shots of her nieces and nephews.

To answer yr questions directly, TSD, she would buy a Pentax digital SLR if the spare cash was available (but keep her 35mm SLR too). I'd also still buy a Pentax 35mm SLR if only to be able to use her lenses!

There's certainly something special about the tactile nature of film, and having prints in yr hand will always beat seeing them on a monitor IMO. I figure the film market may go the way of vinyl and end up with keen enthusiasts and collectors, but a shadow of its former self.

The thought that makes me saddest is that future generations will not be able to see old photos of their relatives in the way we have - so many pictures will be lost on dead dead hard-drives, broken CDs etc. Or maybe that's just a Luddite's view?

Bill A (Bill A), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

I like to think the tons of photos lost on hard drives (and youre right, that totally will happen) is just like the tons of photos in shoeboxes you KNOW everyone's mum has stuffed in the wardrobe or under the spare bed.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

"I'm going to sort them one day, I swear".

I am gonna buy a decent scanner shortly and scan in all my film photos, so there you go. Conversely I've been printing out some of my better digital pics, haha.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

But they are still more accessible than photos on a hard drive that's crashed, or on a CDR that's unreadable.

(xpost)

Tech Support Droid (ForestPines), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

Hmm true. But when you think about it we also take a shitload more because we can - all the important pics still get printed or webbified or emailed or somehting.

(that said, I think I already have one HDD thats died that I had images on.. oh the pain).

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

I still prefer SLRs to digital, and haven't upgraded mostly because of the reasons you describe in your initial post--the lag time between pressing the shutter and the taking of the picture still bugs me, and I can't afford to upgrade to a digital SLR that overcomes that problem. Though now, I can't afford to even buy film or develop it, so haven't been taking any pictures at all.

Also, I like arranging prints into an album. Digital pix most often seem to end up only on the computer, which is boring. I want pictures to be the kind of thing that takes up space in my house.

sgs (sgs), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

A recent example: my dad's cousin posted him some photos of my family on his side from the 1940s and 50s - him as a young chap, my granny, my grandfather who died in 1952. These have survived for over 50 years in an album in their cupboard and I was *so* happy to be able to see them. If they'd been reliant on a piece of digital technology still being compatible with something made 50 years ago I'd have been goosed!

Film vs Digital: FITE! (again!)

Bill A (Bill A), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

I only have film. No digital.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

I want pictures to be the kind of thing that takes up space in my house.

I've had this argument about music. "Why do you buy so many CDs?" say the cow-orkers. "Why don't you just download them and play the MP3s? Or burn them for the car?" Because there's nothing like having the actual CD and packaging on your shelves.

(and I think the same applies to photos too)

Tech Support Droid (ForestPines), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

I've inherited a nice 35mm camera from my Grandpa which i'd like to carry on using, especially since i don't have a computer at home so digital cameras aren't much use to me. Do bog standard photo labs process B&W film?

leigh (leigh), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

I have both, but I have to confess to not having taken my film slr out for a long while.

I'm very aware of the perservation issue of film v digital, and make a point of printing out onto proper photographic paper all the photos I want to keep, via photobox. Interestingly, if a digital image is kept properly with long term preservation in mind (i.e. refresh the format every couple of years and store it in two different formats, e.g. hard drive and cd), then it will be a more accurate picture in 50 years time than a print - the print industry still haven't resolved the issue of the stability of the chemicals used in colour printing. The following example is probably pretty unfair, as the original photo was taken in the early 80s and colour film printing has come a long way since then, but the principle is still there...

The original print scanned (and honestly, it's true to the original print, not affected by the calibration of the scanner)

http://photos16.flickr.com/22807806_ce798f47d6.jpg

And photoshopped to how I remember it

http://photos17.flickr.com/22807807_8ef018cc60.jpg

I have no intention of getting rid of my slr, and will bring it out for special occassions, but the digital is so much easier for quick candid shots, but however the photo is taken I print out the ones I want to keep - nothing beats flicking through a photo album with your friends and family, crowding round the computer screen just doesn't cut it.

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

But in fairness, that first image is amazing. Degrading pic quality is half the fun. Rockist photographing?

Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Friday, 1 July 2005 11:56 (twenty years ago)

I agree it's pretty cool, and the same would happen to the print of a digital image, but it won't be so cool in another 50 years, when the degradation has carried on. (unless I buy my parents some serious acid free photo albums and make sure they keep them away from temperature fluctuations) Sorry, I'm stuck with my archivist's head on!

Vicky (Vicky), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

You haven't changed a bit, Vicky.

Lot's of people still use film. At my sister-in-law's bday party last week there was a constant whirring of film rewinding devices. Made me quite nostalgic. None of them were photography enthusiasts. In fact their only enthusiasm seemed to be for squawking at the top of their voices.

Film is better, I think. You tend to think about firing the picrtures off a bit more. And the time lapse Suggs mentions above really annoys me.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

I'd probably use both because I fear most of the digital pics will get lost (deleted, accidently and/or on purpose). With film cameras you had to develop'em just to see how good/bad they were. Now I import it in iphoto and always delay the developing of the pix. :-(

nathalie's post modern sleaze fest (stevie nixed), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

I dont have a timelapse prob with my digital but to be fair I do use a fairly pricey Canon EOS 300D. You do still have to do the half-down press to focus and adjust light meter etc of course tho.

I got a proper photo printer and good paper and Ive been getting pretty good results. And of course you can touch them up before you commit them to paper, so you dont waste duds like when you run off a roll of 24 and half of them have redeye or whatever.

Trayce (trayce), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

You do still have to do the half-down press to focus and adjust light meter etc of course tho.

That is the same with autofocus film SLRs, of course. It is quicker than manual focus *if* you are focusing on centre-of-frame. I'm not yet really used to autofocusing then recomposing.

Tech Support Droid (ForestPines), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

there is a thread called "the camera thread," which i started, which is about film cameras.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 1 July 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

I don't have a digital camera so I use my Olympus XA-2 all the time. I also have a Seagull TLR but the developing is expensive so I haven't used it in along time.

andy --, Friday, 1 July 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

i haven't actually processed any medium format film for years, it's too expensive... :-(

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

When our son was born last year, my wife went out and bought a new 35mm Nikon. Somehow shooting with film made it seem more "real," even though I realize that's a bias born of familiarity with old, comfortable technology. We're also looking to buy a new digital, though, because it's easier and cheaper than developing a new roll every week. (We have way too many pictures of the baby.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

(actually, it's a Canon, now that I think about it)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

it IS more real in the sense that the negative will have greater archival value than a digital chip, or so i suspect.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

I use film (120 for my Holga and the Bronica if I ever get it working, 3x4/4x5 Polaroid film for my old cameras and 4x5 negative soon), but I'm pretty close to doing away with my 35mm cameras completely. Digital quality is just too good to justify 35mm film/processing/scanning and/or printing for me.

The only sticking point is the lack of reasonably-sized, reasonably-priced high-speed lenses for my D70. I've got a 50/1.4 for my Canon SLR and a 35/1.4 for my Leica, but the closest I have for digital is a 20/2.8 (35/2.8 equivalent). If Nikon would drop the equivalent of a 35 or 50/1.4 sized only for the digital sensor, I'd sell my 35mm gear in a heartbeat.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 1 July 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't be so sure, Amateurist. Color negative film starts to lose quality after a couple of decades stored in good conditions, traditional color prints are even worse.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 1 July 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)


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