New twists in Yellowcake/Plame

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Perhaps not entirely new, but telling. The upshot of the surrender of the Time notes is, after all, revelation of the sources. According to Lawrence O'Donnell, it's Rove:

Here is the transcript of O'Donnell's remarks:

"What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury, the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.

"And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."

Other panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper.

Hmmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 2 July 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

I'd imagine Rove properly knows how to maintain plausible deniability -- which is to say maybe it's one of his charges, sure. If it's Rove, then that's some pretty sick cheesy-political-thriller-level shit right there.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

It does seem like he'd know better if it was him...but I don't know. The course of the whole investigation almost suggests that it was thought to never *be* a particular problem that would have come up before a grand jury. Oops.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Rove, or Scooter Libby? From Romenesko:

Why not name Libby?
6/28/2005 1:05:20 PM

From SUSAN STABLEY, reporter, South Florida Business Journal: I don't understand why, in all the recent articles about Miller-Cooper-Novak and the Plame case, no one states the name of the leaker. The man who revealed the identity of an undercover CIA agent was I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff for Vice President Dick Cheney, at least, according to Cooper.

Cooper was the speaker at the recent SPJ awards in South Florida. He told a room full of reporters that he revealed his source -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff for Vice President Dick Cheney -- after Libby released him from his obligation to protect his identity. The Washington Post reported the identity of Cooper's source -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff for Vice President Dick Cheney -- in August 2004. Cooper told us at the SPJ event that his current legal crisis had to do with a follow-up subpoena from investigators who were fishing for all his notes.
[...]
So, again, why why why, is not the name of the source -- I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Chief of Staff for Vice President Dick Cheney -- in every single story about Miller-Cooper-Novak? And instead of wondering about Novak, I want to know: what will happen to Libby?

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)


It does seem like he'd know better if it was him...but I don't know. The course of the whole investigation almost suggests that it was thought to never *be* a particular problem that would have come up before a grand jury. Oops.

Huberis is a funny thing...

I would be so tickled if it was Rove. I'd be tickled if it was someone half as evil as Rove. I'd be happier if the line of command went all the way to the top... where I got to be.

Temp Mod J, Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby

OMG THE KLF ARE BEHIND THIS TOO!

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

I would be immensely pleased, just tickled pink, if Rove were indicted. I would be in heaven if he were convicted.

Aimless (Aimless), Saturday, 2 July 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

i have to admit that this lessens my distaste for Time Inc. deciding to reveal the source.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Saturday, 2 July 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Sorta surprised the NRO got onto this this quickly, but I suspect fears of damage control were bubbling up. Anyway, from Podhoretz:

Here's what we know, based on the two pieces of information we have -- Lawrence O'Donnell and Newsweek:

Matt Cooper of Time Magazine was preparing a story on Joseph C. Wilson's CIA-sponsored trip to Africa. Cooper spoke to Karl Rove. Presumably he talked to other people. Period. Cooper's story never appeared. Lawrence O'Donnell said Newsweek was going to say "It's Rove" who "outed" Wilson's undercover-CIA-agent wife Valerie Plame. But Newsweek's story doesn't say that. It only says Rove spoke to Cooper, and Rove's lawyer Robert Luskin offers a complete and flat denial that Rove said anything about Valerie Plame:

"Luskin told NEWSWEEK that Rove 'never knowingly disclosed classified information' and that 'he did not tell any reporter that Valerie Plame worked for the CIA.' Luskin declined, however, to discuss any other details. He did say that Rove himself had testified before the grand jury 'two or three times' and signed a waiver authorizing reporters to testify about their conversations with him. 'He has answered every question that has been put to him about his conversations with Cooper and anybody else,' Luskin said."

Seems to me that unless Luskin is lying, Rove is in the clear.

Hmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 3 July 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

TalkingPoints takes a different tack given the same info (with a lot longer post and a link to Isikoff's piece in Newsweek, so just go read that there.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 3 July 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

apparently rove denied to the investigations that he was the leaker. if so, he can be indicted for perjury even if he claims he didn't knowingly disclose classified info. so it's looking good.

Sym Sym (sym), Sunday, 3 July 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

We're all going to be dead and buried before Karl Rove is charged with so much as farting in an elevator.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 3 July 2005 04:36 (twenty years ago)

maybe, but i would hardly discount the possibility of something happening to him yet. his attorney's denials are hardly objective and seem to be quite weak-'never KNOWINGLY disclosed classified info', 'did not tell any REPORTER that v.p. worked for the cia,' etc. these statements seem to leave lots of wiggle room. it may be impossible to prove that he knew exactly what he was doing and if he told an underling who then told a reporter about plame, he is telling the truth. i think the more important thing is what he and/or his attorney have yet to say-that he vehemently denies this and is outraged.

Emilymv (Emilymv), Monday, 4 July 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

We're all going to be dead and buried before Karl Rove is charged with so much as farting in an elevator.

If it's him and there's proof, he'll be very fucked.

The chance of the investigtion getting to this point was very slight. Now that is has?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 4 July 2005 03:51 (twenty years ago)

O'Donnell elaborates.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

'never knowingly disclosed classified information'

this is the key bits they'll be trying to pin their defense on. "Well, shit, man, i thought everybody knew!"

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

hahaha fuck.

TOMBOT, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

This guy goes on parse-a-rama. And as much as I find O'Donnell endearing in his assholeness, he's carrying on like he's got a lot riding on this scoop.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Maybe O'Donnell was the source!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

David Corn is also skeptical.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Goldberg is sassing that he knows. Indeed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

http://www.tuttowrestling.com/goldberg.jpg

The Ghost of WHO'S NEXT? (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Much as I'd relish seeing Rove in jail, I have a hard time believing he'd be stupid enough to do something like this on his own (rather than work through a subordinate/scapegoat). But hey, maybe I'm giving him too much credit.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

http://img99.echo.cx/img99/6650/arrestedrove5wr.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Obviously, that's not really Rove but instead, it was someone who violated a very major fashion code with that teal shirt and ugly tie.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

hmm, I never would've guessed that the Fashion Police were allowed to get so fat.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

GIGGLETITS

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

*bouncy bouncy*

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

That blue uniform is SOOOO 20th century!!

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Yearist.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

so should we be taking bets on whether Rove gets indicted? I'll say 3 to 1 he weasels out of it.

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

being that it's not even clear that outing Plame violated federal law (in the way Rove might have), I'd say his chances of walking are almost certain.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

If Martha Stewart was 'M. Diddy' in prison, what would Karl's prison moniker be?

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:05 (twenty years ago)

Bend Over Rover?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

Daddy's Little Fat Boy?

M. White (Miguelito), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

I somehow think that Turd Blossom will follow him into the joint.

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/dc8597b4-ee3c-11d9-98e5-00000e2511c8.html

Judith Miller, New York Times reporter, was ordered to jail by a US district court judge for refusing to tell prosecutors the name of her source in a case revolving around the leak of a CIA operative’s name.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

C/D: journalists assuming/expecting immunity despite being in contempt

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

I can't decide if I think Judith Miller should go to jail or not. The vindictive, partisan part of me says resoundingly "yes", but the moralizing finger-wagging part of me is worried that there is a legitimate principle at stake, even if it is being excercised in service of a much larger evil.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Don't care who gets stung, it's important to make sure we still have unattributed sources to make sure that that info gets out. It's not pretty. It can all too easily be abused and one hopes that judges not stick their neck in too often, but long after Yellowcake and Miller are footnotes in history of the Bush Admins., protecting sources will still be of value to the citizenry.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

"it's important to make sure we still have unattributed sources to make sure that that info gets out."

and yet, in this particular case the information that "got out" here was neither important or necessary - it was part of a carefully orchestrated, politically motivated smear campaign. It's easy for me to see this more as Miller willingly participating in the UNDERMINING of the powers of the press by using the principles of a free press in the service of enfeebling the media, where its only service is performing as a mouthpiece for corrupt politicians.

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

(yikes that was really sloppily worded, let me think about this a bit more)

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Well there's never been any law that protects journalists' sources in court. You have to weigh it, and if you don't think, on balance, that you should turn over your sources then you have to take your lumps. There's no use crying about it.

What's bizarre now about this story is that Cooper claims his source called him up yesterday, and, in dramatic fashion, told him it was okay to name him.

Yet this source didn't call up Miller? Was the call to Cooper a "signal" to Miller that she could get off the hook and if so, why didn't she take the opportunity?

Are there really TWO sources here (as Novak's original column said there were?); one of them has found a way to wriggle free, and the other hasn't?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Shakey, she may be a patsy but if she reveals a source she promised to not mention, her career is basically over.

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

If the source giving you that information is itself an illegal act, why would you grant anomymity to that person?

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

This is fascinating! Why aren't more people posting? Where's gabbneb??

Richard K (Richard K), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

The source is an act?

M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

The giving is an act. Pardon my grammar.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

There are rumors that Miller was herself the source which gave the info to the administration, which in turn leaked to Cooper. Which makes an awful lot of sense.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

buh? but how would Miller know Plame was a CIA agent? someone w/intel clearance must have told her.

Shakey M oCollier, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Both "the republican party collapse" and W's "last shred of political capital" may be GREATLY exaggerated, if you look at the cowardly invertebrates in the alleged opposition party.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 October 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

All the Democrats have to do is get out of the way. The Grand Old Party is tilting toward collapse all by its lonesome.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

I'd love to believe you, but as a young'un I heard the same in '74.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

While I was still in short pants in '74, I don't remember that going too swimmingly for the Republicans.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

I still think they need to be there with an communicable plan. Something that actually says "Here's what we're for, and here's how we're gunna fix it." They do have some plans out there already, but most of them seem to be too piecemeal at this point. One would think it needs to be a more coordinated effort, where they get out there and continually beat the drum about this on all media(sunday shows, op-ed bits, blog posts, all the radio call-ins, etc).

yeah, the other side is God-willing tilting towards disaster, but you'd think they should be ready to stand up when that happens. There's still 12 months 'til the mid-terms, so here we go.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)

I'll hasten to add that while I expect this to end badly for the president's party, I'm not convinced the Democrats can figure out how to capitalize on whatever legal tragedy might befall the administration, either.

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rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

yeah, exactly.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Of course, there's always the question of, do the Democrats really need to do anything, at least in the short run, to see some benefit at the polls next November? Their base will be energized, and a lot of demoralized conservatives might just stay home.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

I would prefer "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women" to "some benefit at the polls."

William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

>Their base will be energized

Whistling in the dark? A year is forever, and so many high-profile Dems' words on Iraq are scarcely less hawkish than W's.

Also, as this guy says, most Americans really have no idea of what to make of Plame, Judy Miller, etc:

http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2005/10/simplegate.html


Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Miller's rodeo story is strangely reminiscent of the one about the handoff of Bush's TANG records to Bill Burkett. Or has she just been watching Mulholland Drive one too many times?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I'd say yes. I think that there'll be enough breakaway Repubs by that point to complicate things, and one of the many things that the last election showed, even tho the other guy will do plenty of things to justify voting agin', your guy still needs to be convincing(compelling?) as to vote fer.

Better to err on the side of paranoia and assume that their fuckin' won't necessarily be the kicker in bringing folks to your party(small "p"-party in this case). It'd get 'em anxious, so might as well put some compelling narrative out there just to facilitate/enable folks drifting to your cause.


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I would prefer "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women" to "some benefit at the polls."

i'd say that we work towards both happening, just in case.

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 17 October 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

most Americans, including Democrats, are scarcely less hawkish than W. the reason that there is "opposition" to the war now is because they don't want to be on the losing side and don't want to be hawkish for reasons that don't make sense (even if they once sort of did). criticizing the political leadership of the war is politically helpful to Democrats, calling for more isolationism could be as well, but being anti-war is not.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

and as some has wondered/worried, what's Rove been up to with his time? (it certainly hasn't been running the WH or the Katrina recovery effort) How exactly will he attack back when the indictments finally come down this week?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

How exactly will he attack back when the indictments finally come down this week?

I'm picturing a tearful confessional with Katie Couric.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

oh snap! http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/10/18/122851/00

_, Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

"developing hard"

indeed

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

I wish.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

OMG that would actually be such an evilly awesome move on the Republicans' part! The first female VP AND the first black VP in one fell swoop! How can the Democrats counter that without getting spurious sexism and racism accusations thrown right back in their faces?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

Politics is never, ever allowed to be that fun.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Racial one-upmanship aside, do people really like Condi enough for this to count for anything, assuming it 'counts' for anything at all?

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Just make Miers VP, put Condi on the bench, declare martial law and relax.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)

Does the Fitzgerald grand jury run out today or is the 28th?

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

28th

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Racial one-upmanship aside, do people really like Condi enough for this to count for anything, assuming it 'counts' for anything at all?

Pretty much everyone I know hates Condi. That doesn't keep making her VP without going through the inconvenience of a public vote from being one of the most politically-evil moves the Republican Party could make.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

she's pro-choice, they wouldn't do it

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 05:39 (twenty years ago)

er, or so I think. now I'm not sure

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 05:40 (twenty years ago)

The 101st fighting keyboarders love Condi.

Is the U.S. News story getting any play elsewhere? I haven't seen any other references.

J (Jay), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

Oopsy.

An angry President Bush rebuked chief political guru Karl Rove two years ago for his role in the Valerie Plame affair, sources told the Daily News.

"He made his displeasure known to Karl," a presidential counselor told The News. "He made his life miserable about this."

Bush has nevertheless remained doggedly loyal to Rove, who friends and even political adversaries acknowledge is the architect of the President's rise from baseball owner to leader of the free world.

As special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald nears a decision, perhaps as early as today, on whether to issue indictments in his two-year probe, Bush has already circled the wagons around Rove, whose departure would be a grievous blow to an already shell-shocked White House staff and a President in deep political trouble.

TalkingPoints notes why this story should be given attention:

Now, one other detail about this piece. It runs a few hundred words. But the most important two are probably these: Thomas DeFrank.

DeFrank's the byline and he's the Daily News DC Bureau Chief. DeFrank has a unique relationship to the Bush world, particularly to the older generation. He cowrote James Baker's diplomatic autobiography The Politics of Diplomacy, for instance. Back in the summer of 2001, The Weekly Standard suggested he'd actually been in the running to be chief Pentagon spokesman, before the job went to Tori Clarke.

I'm not including this background information to suggest that DeFrank is in the tank for the Bush crowd. Indeed, I have the sense that the relationship has become more strained or perhaps attenuated over the last few years. I add these details because the nature of DeFrank's access is unique in Washington. And this article carries more weight than it would with another byline.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

and more here, talking about "made his life miserable:"

Of course, not miserable enough to pull his security clearance. Not miserable enough to follow through with his public promise to fire anyone who leaked information. Guess that whole "my word is my bond" thing has a few caveats in Bushworld...

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Yeah. This has echoes of the whole "the president took David Stockman to the woodshed" spin. Hasn't Rove suffered enough? And how presidential it was of Bush to be deeply angered!

Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

an updated bingo card when celebrating Fitzmas

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Fitzgerald has a website up now. Hmmm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Dammit you beat me to it Ned!

J (Jay), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Heheheh.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 21 October 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

emergency pow-wow at Camp David this weekend

gotta be big if they didn't take the time to head to Crawford.

Also, should we start a pool not only for who's indicted, but who's pardoned?

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 22 October 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)

haha, Mo Dowd tearing Judy Miller a new one in Saturday's paper! Nice to see, if FAR too late ...


Woman of Mass Destruction
By MAUREEN DOWD

I've always liked Judy Miller. I have often wondered what Waugh or Thackeray would have made of the Fourth Estate's Becky Sharp.

The traits she has that drive many reporters at The Times crazy - her tropism toward powerful men, her frantic intensity and her peculiar mixture of hard work and hauteur - have never bothered me. I enjoy operatic types.

Once when I was covering the first Bush White House, I was in The Times's seat in the crowded White House press room, listening to an administration official's background briefing. Judy had moved on from
her tempestuous tenure as a Washington editor to be a reporter based in New York, but she showed up at this national security affairs briefing.

At first she leaned against the wall near where I was sitting, but I noticed that she seemed agitated about something. Midway through the briefing, she came over and whispered to me, "I think I should be sitting in the Times seat."

It was such an outrageous move, I could only laugh. I got up and stood in the back of the room, while Judy claimed what she felt was her rightful power perch.

She never knew when to quit. That was her talent and her flaw. Sorely in need of a tight editorial leash, she was kept on no leash at all, and that has hurt this paper and its trust with readers. She more than earned her sobriquet "Miss Run Amok."

Judy's stories about W.M.D. fit too perfectly with the White House's case for war. She was close to Ahmad Chalabi, the con man who was conning the neocons to knock out Saddam so he could get his hands on Iraq, and I worried that she was playing a leading role in the dangerous echo chamber that Senator Bob Graham, now retired, dubbed "incestuous amplification." Using Iraqi defectors and exiles, Mr. Chalabi planted bogus stories with Judy and other credulous journalists.

Even last April, when I wrote a column critical of Mr. Chalabi, she fired off e-mail to me defending him.

When Bill Keller became executive editor in the summer of 2003, he barred Judy from covering Iraq and W.M.D. issues. But he acknowledged in The Times's Sunday story about Judy's role in the Plame leak case that she had kept "drifting" back. Why did nobody stop this drift?

Judy admitted in the story that she "got it totally wrong" about W.M.D. "If your sources are wrong," she said, "you are wrong." But investigative reporting is not stenography.

The Times's story and Judy's own first-person account had the unfortunate effect of raising more questions. As Bill said yesterday in an e-mail note to the staff, Judy seemed to have "misled" the Washington bureau chief, Phil Taubman, about the extent of her involvement in the Valerie Plame leak case.

She casually revealed that she had agreed to identify her source, Scooter Libby, Dick Cheney's chief of staff, as a "former Hill staffer" because he had once worked on Capitol Hill. The implication was that this bit of deception was a common practice for reporters. It isn't.

She said that she had wanted to write about the Wilson-Plame matter, but that her editor would not allow it. But Managing Editor Jill Abramson, then the Washington bureau chief, denied this, saying that Judy had never broached the subject with her.

It also doesn't seem credible that Judy wouldn't remember a Marvel comics name like "Valerie Flame." Nor does it seem credible that she doesn't know how the name got into her notebook and that, as she wrote, she "did not believe the name came from Mr. Libby."

An Associated Press story yesterday reported that Judy had coughed up the details of an earlier meeting with Mr. Libby only after prosecutors confronted her with a visitor log showing that she had met with him on June 23, 2003. This cagey confusion is what makes people wonder whether her stint in the Alexandria jail was in part a career rehabilitation project.

Judy refused to answer a lot of questions put to her by Times reporters, or show the notes that she shared with the grand jury. I admire Arthur Sulzberger Jr. and Bill Keller for aggressively backing reporters in the cross hairs of a prosecutor. But before turning Judy's case into a First Amendment battle, they should have nailed her to a chair and extracted the entire story of her escapade.

Judy told The Times that she plans to write a book and intends to return to the newsroom, hoping to cover "the same thing I've always covered - threats to our country." If that were to happen, the institution most in danger would be the newspaper in your hands.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

I've been waiting for CAKE in this thread the whole time. I'm hungry!

iDonut B4 x86 (donut), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Talk to Ashy Larry.

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

I soured on Dowd years ago, but that column really was a breath of fresh air. Miller is an embarrassment to the profession, and the notion that she will now have an opportunity to write a book and go on the circuit as some sort of Free Press champion raises the bar for scheming, self-righteous hypocrites everywhere.

Which the Times has put her in a position to do. I can only imagine the rage her name must provoke among the hardworking, true-believing ink-stained wretches for whom the Times stands for something worth preserving and protecting.

rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 24 October 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Miller's pissed off at the NYT public editor for his column yesterday. (via Atrios)

I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 24 October 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

The Times's

it's like they know what we argue about!

kingfish neopolitan sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 24 October 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051212/ap_on_go_pr_wh/cia_leak_investigation

hmmm.

dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 12 December 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Tangled web, etc.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 December 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

And now Bob Novak Says President Knows Leak Source

Novak said that "I'd be amazed" if the president didn't know the source's identity and that the public should "bug the president as to whether he should reveal who the source is."

rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...
No frogmarching for Karl Rove.

Was it just me or did I implore everyone to bet their balls that Rove would not be indicted?

don weiner (don weiner), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://content.ytmnd.com/assets/images/shirt.gif

on the other thread, we've already started speculating about whether he rolled on Cheney!

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
Lawrence O'Donnell: wrong.


OF course, if you've been following this story closely, you've known it was Dick Armitage all along.

Have fun with your book Joe and Val. Too bad your frog marching story will never wash.

don weiner (don weiner), Monday, 28 August 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

Reading NRO yesterday on this whole thing was a weird treat. I couldn't figure out who was more self-righteously aggrieved, McCarthy or Podhoretz.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 August 2006 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
not dead yet?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Saturday, 16 September 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)


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