Hipsters, rockism and anal sex

And kittens. Don't forget the kittens.

1. Hipsters and rockism
Hipsterism is a convention, and sometimes it can be a very tightly delineated convention in terms of clothes, music preferences etc. I mean, indie rock is bound by all the kinds of conventions and obsessions of any other type of rock music, isn't it? Strong links between hipsterism and rockism? Guilty as proven, m'lud.

2. Hipsters and anal sex
Is anal sex hip? Do hipsters indulge in it more than the general population? My guess is that they probably do. Anal sex has been hip for quite a while, it sort of came out of the closet in the nineties but will eventually be superceded by some other sexual variant in terms of hipness value. I'd say there was a link, but a weakish link between hipsters and anal sex.

3. Rockism and anal sex
Is anal sex rockist? Despite its hipness value, anal sex probably remains marginal in heterosexual relationships, something that might be tried experimentally every now and then rather than the sexual meat-and-two-veg of the relationship. The historical negativity surrounding anal, its "deviance" its not being "proper" or "normal" sex would definitely put anal sex in the anti-rockist camp I'd say. For gay men, things are different. In the public consciousness, anal sex has become symbolic of gay sex. Conclusion: it's complicated. For heteros, anal is anti-rockist and yet for gays its rockist.

"No you not a murderer nigga
I'm a dig deep in your ass faggot
I'm gonna stop saying that shit cause I know you like that kind of shit
Fucking fruity ass nigga
But i got something for you nigga
Special delivery nigga
Semi-auto those motherfuckers"

Should you only reserve ass-digging fantasies for enemies that you suspect aren't gay? He's so mean. In the first line of this song, he says that he is "Fitting to get in your ass" and by the end of the song he must have had second thoughts or something. But that doesn't explain why he would repeat his desire to explore the ass of this fella that he hates so much! You can't have it both ways, fiddy! You either want to do some anal excavatin' or you don't! Although, I suppose he had to bring it up again in order to disparage the sexuality of his foe. Which still doesn't explain why you would call someone fruity after twice expressing a desire to get all up in their poopshoot...we may never know what he was thinking.

Also think about some of the more famous cases of male-male anal rape, like the Abner Louima case in NYC, or the football players from Mepham High School on Long Island -- clearly, the men committing the crimes thought they could penetrate some guy's ass without seeming to risk their heterosexuality. (Key to avoiding the 'gay' taint: in neither case did the assaulters use their dicks.)

Supposedly, anyway, based on some books I've read. As I've no first-hand experience, I have trouble believing it, actually.

As for the hipster/rockism/anal sex tie-in, I'd say it's been that way since Oscar Wilde at least.

yeah, i was gonna say, in prisons. the one being dug is the punk. so, you can have it both ways in some circles.

OTM. "Punk" as applied to the Sex Pistols and their contemporaries derived from this term's earlier meaning.

2) The term "punk rock" comes from British English.

what is the question that this thread title is the answer to

Poll

http://www.nataliedee.com/041304/hipster.jpg

I vote natural - less maintenance, more crumbs of vegan cookies in the beard = snax for later

lol
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/19/style/20090621-rockkids-feature/index.html

ARGGGH KILL KILL

so there's a hipster band called Boys, a hipster band called Men, a hipster band called Girls and a hipster band called Women.

WTF

that first song was pretty dope

im pissed about this cuz i've long held that if i every put out an album it would be called "Boys"

So it's basically C86 with privileged young Americans?

"As children being raised in a town obsessed with celebrity and success, their form of rebellion, it often seems, is the feverish generation of art for its own sake in a scene that remains below the radar."

...until the ny times wants to do a slideshow about it.

So it's basically C86 with privileged young Americans?

or towncraft with photogenic people in a hip part of the country

hanging out in yr parent's garden is a good idea for a scene.

The New York Times is like having this alien that hangs out with you who's always just starting to catch on to and observe very basic things about humans, and it was charming once but now he's been around a long time and it's just irritating.

^^^

I wouldn't call Tuomas an alien, guys

I have this theory that I am totally going to prove using science and math and the theory states that the whole problem with pretty much everything is that people are constantly photographing themselves & everything would be way cooler if there weren't always cameras goin off

when I bust out the science & math on this theory everybody's mind is gonna be totally blown

i think you're onto something

or maybe just on something

amirite

I actually thought the more interesting story to focus on would be the existence of a generation (or generational subset anyway) of parents who actively try to help and promote their kids rock careers. Maybe that's been done too, but it'd be better than the above.

I have this theory that I am totally going to prove using science and math and the theory states that the whole problem with pretty much everything is that people are constantly photographing themselves & everything would be way cooler if there weren't always cameras goin off

when I bust out the science & math on this theory everybody's mind is gonna be totally blown

― worm? lol (J0hn D.), Saturday, June 20, 2009 5:40 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

disagree, there is no such thing as unobserved cool, who was it that said that the best definition of a hipster (old version) was someone who always behaved like they was a movie camera trained on them

wierd they are pushing their kids into a life of anal sexxx

disagree, there is no such thing as unobserved cool, who was it that said that the best definition of a hipster (old version) was someone who always behaved like they was a movie camera trained on them

observed is a different thing from documented/obsessively self-recorded imo

The New York Times is like having this alien that hangs out with you who's always just starting to catch on to and observe very basic things about humans, and it was charming once but now he's been around a long time and it's just irritating.

This is the perfect way to put it. I feel this way about NPR a lot of the time too.

i watched that whole slideshow and didn't see any anal, what am i missing

This is the perfect way to put it. I feel this way about NPR a lot of the time too.

― Tracer Hand, Saturday, June 20, 2009 5:00 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha yes

listener supported anal sex

i didn't see any anal sex in that slideshow but i saw a lot of assholes

Grassroots anti-folk anal sekss

celebrating the breakthrough collaborative between hipsters and anal sex

this should prob be posted on quiddites of the upper class ny times thread

The whole problem with pretty much everything is that people are constantly photographing themselves & everything would be way cooler if there weren't always cameras goin off

I agree with this. It was annoying when dad did it at seaworld in 1992, and it's annoying when people do it at shows in 2009.