RIP Admiral James Stockdale

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A bit of context -- this is actually very personal and saddening news for me. Yes, all anyone seems to remember is That Fucking 1992 Vice-Presidential Debate (and then Phil Hartman, I think, following on with the parodies), and nobody seems to want to recall that his hearing aid *was* acting up, dammit. But as I just said in a formal letter elsewhere, my reasons for remembering him transcend all of that:

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My family was privileged to live across the street from the Admiral in Coronado, California for many years (the TV biopic on his life, since it was partially shot on location, shows our old house in the background of some shots). I was too young to truly know him well, but my parents treated him with the utmost respect and friendliness and raised me to make sure I did as well. In turn his kindness and uprightness was always apparent, and I regret not getting to know him better, though a simple moment when he crossed the street to ask me while I was mowing if my father was available sticks in my mind -- mundane, perhaps, but surely for him after his war experiences one of many miniature blessings.

I'll always remember 1992 not for the debate -- my sister remembers getting a bit angry with college classmates who all assumed the Admiral was somehow senile or somesuch nonsense -- but for his attendance at my father's own retirement ceremony from the Navy, both a kindness and mark of approval my father was quite moved by. Unless I have the story wrong, on Election Day that year the two of them walked down to their voting station together, and I would have loved to have been there for that conversation.

RIP indeed to an intelligent man of incalculable strength and will -- but above all else, truly a good person.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

This is a real question: What were his politics? The debate, as I recall, revealed nothing.

But, yeah, at a personal level, he seemed like a genuinely good guy.

MV, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

It was always my understanding that he was meant to lend an aura of credibility and government service to Perot, and that his real politics were unimportant (see also: Grant, Eisenhower, Powell, etc. for malleable military men).

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

Grant's and Eisenhower's politics were very important while they were POTUS.

MV, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

NPR just did a piece on him - it mentioned 7 years as a Vietnam POW, specifically discussing how he'd injure or disfigure himself so he couldn't be used in propoganda films.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

Yes, Grant and Eisenhower's politics were important as President, but were indeterminate before their presidencies. xpost

blackmail.is.my.life (blackmail.is.my.life), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Who was he? Why was he here?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

One of the chief contributors to the unsurpassed entertainment value of the '92 election.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

My family was privileged to live across the street from the Admiral in Coronado, California for many years

I wondered if he had known your parents, since I heard this morning that he resided in Coronado.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Indeed. I think I first remember them mentioning him to me when we moved into the house in 1977 or so -- I was only six, and what would I know of Vietnam? I just recalled them telling me he had been in a war and suffered terribly, so I shouldn't be surprised at his slightly halting walk. Mostly I remember him sitting on his porch, simply relaxing and enjoying fine days.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Ha. We should be so fortunate to have someone like Stockdale in the White House.

Paul Ess (Paul Ess), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

FWIW, he died a Republican.

don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

So did Lincoln.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

He was a sympathetic guy in his moment in the spotlight, but not Lincoln. That he was there only because some monomaniac picked him was just one more sideshow in the sad farce of what passes for American auctions/elections.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

For a second there I thought your second sentence referred to Lincoln and I was all "Well I suppose John Wilkes Booth was something of a monomaniac..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I responded too fast. It just sounded like for a moment there that don was trying to imply that Stockdale's soul was officially damned because of his political affiliation.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

my father voted for h. ross twice!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Lots of people did!

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

Dr. Morbius is totally going to sweep the 2006 Hongro awards. gabbneb and weiner only have 6 months left to pull off something even more kneejerk/condescending and ridiculously ignorant of context, or it's a shoo-in.

TOMBOT, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

otm

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

:-( :-( :-(

Adm. Stockdale's son Taylor Stockdale was one of the directors of my high school and every so often the Admiral would come by to visit - sometimes speaking at one of the graduations.

sigh...

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

I'm glad I don't know what a Hongro is, and fuck you.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Geir doesn't deserve this kind of abuse or unsavory associations.

Leon C. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)


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