Pot is worse than Meth, White House Insists

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Who cares what the ACTUAL COPS say, the White House knows the truth...

Meth Abuse Cited as Top Drug Problem for Law Enforcement Agencies
Increase in Arrests Has Taxed Other County Departments; White House Says Marijuana Is Still No. 1 Woe

Associated Press
Wednesday, July 6, 2005

EVANSVILLE, Ind., July 5 -- The crippling reach of methamphetamine abuse has become the nation's leading drug problem affecting local law enforcement agencies, according to a survey of 500 sheriff's departments in 45 states.

More than half of the sheriffs interviewed for a National Association of Counties survey released Tuesday said they considered meth the most serious problem facing their departments.

"We're finding out that this is a bigger problem than we thought," said Larry Naake, executive director of the association. "Folks at the state and federal level need to know about this."

About 90 percent of those interviewed reported increases in meth-related arrests in their counties over the past three years, packing jails in the Midwest and elsewhere.

The arrests also have swamped other county-level agencies that assist with caring for children whose parents have become addicted and with cleaning up toxic chemicals left behind by meth cookers.

The report comes soon after the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy restated its stance that marijuana remains the nation's most substantial drug problem. Federal estimates show there are 15 million marijuana users compared with the 1 million that may use meth.

Dave Murray, a policy analyst for the White House, said he understands that the meth problem moving through the nation is serious and substantial. But he disagrees that it has become an epidemic.

"This thing is burning, and because it's burning, we're going to put it out," he said. "But we can't turn our back on other threats."

Sheriff Jon R. Marvel of western Indiana's Vigo County estimates that 80 percent of the inmates in his county's jail in Terre Haute are held on meth-related charges.

He also points to an operating budget that has risen from $800,000 in 1999 to about $3.4 million last year to illustrate how policing meth has used county resources.

― andy --, Friday, 8 July 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

The fed's stance is legal, not medical.

― Tigerstyle Shamanic Vision Quester (sexyDancer), Friday, 8 July 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

The article doesn't say anyone thinks pot is worse than meth. Just more people use it.

― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 8 July 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

I think the "disagrees it's become an epidemic" line flies right in the face of the survey of local agencies. Sure, not everyone does the meth, but it seems to be a more destructive drug than many. Which drug causes more PROBLEMS to society, pot or meth?

― andy -, Friday, 8 July 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

heh. I like Wonkette's comment on it, saying how no one has yet blown up their house from manufacturing marijuana

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 8 July 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

But pot is worse than METH. I know which I wish I was on right now.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

I wish Meth had a different name - I always read it as "meths" and think people are referring to daft old drunks drinking dodgy spirits.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

You can call it 'crystal' if you'd prefer.

― andy --, Friday, 8 July 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

It's like honey.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

I shall, though that won't help me interprete other people calling it meth.

What does crystal do for/to people anyway? I'm not up to speed with all these newfangled narcotics. It were all magic mushrooms and wacky baccy in my day.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

crystal elminates the need for sleep and makes you CHATTY

― Tigerstyle Shamanic Vision Quester (sexyDancer), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)

And it makes gay club sex even more GAY.

― andy --, Friday, 8 July 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Like Really Good Speed then? Doesn't sound the kind of drug that would lead to so many arrests, though speed does make idiots into worse idiots.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Shit is terrible.

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

One thing that's disturbing is that's it's largely a rural/suburb problem, and that the manufacture cause all these noxious, toxic chemicals which are often just thrown out in the ravine... explosions as well. Also, people stay up for several days at a time, seeing all sorts of things that aren't there. It rules.

― andy --, Friday, 8 July 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Plus "meth mouth" = teh hott!

crystal meth:c or d?

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Buy some cocaine, you white trash dumbasses. Do a real goddamn drug.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

the pharmacy section of the local fred meyer supermarket now has the cold meds display under CC-tv camera.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 8 July 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

"Buy some cocaine, you white trash dumbasses. Do a real goddamn drug."

Who seriously prefers cocaine to speed? WTF?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

I don't prefer either, really -- I prefer pot. But speed is just speed. It's what you cut other, better drugs with if you a sheisty dealer. It's cheap and dirty.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Good crystal is so much better than good cocaine it's ridiculous. Cheap crank is crap, yeah, but so is cheap ass coke and the grossest black tar heroin.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

After years of research, essentially the only argument government types can use against marijuana is that it MAY lead people to use harder drugs. And then they say "no, marijuana is actually a bigger problem than those harder drugs that it MAY lead people to use." That reasoning is completely muddled and self-contradictory.

And all the while OxyContin and other prescription painkillers are still getting prescribed to folks with no knowledge of how dangerous they are, a scary number of which become addicted to a pretty debilitating (and expensive!) opiate. Then a scary number of the folks that become addicted to that make the logical progression to heroin or spend the next several decades visiting a methadone clinic every day...

Maybe folks should judge a drug's danger level by ruined lives instead of casual users.

― matlewis (matlewis), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

By definition black tar heroin is pretty much always gross, but either way cheap crank is still better than cheap coke. At least the former DOES something.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Buy some cocaine, you white trash dumbasses. Do a real goddamn drug.

Kenan, I'm gonna just go ahead and assume that you aren't at all familiar with the enormous price-to-product ratio.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

"Buy some cocaine, you white trash dumbasses. Do a real goddamn drug."
Who seriously prefers cocaine to speed? WTF?

-- Alex in SF (clobberthesauru...), July 8th, 2005.

I don't do either but yeah, um, seriously...around here cocaine is so common, like an everyman's drug. Meth is for the hardore orgy-party people, and is much more a "real druggie's" drug.

It also has amore dangerous connotation since, say, in Weho it's almost as if it comes with a free dose of STDs

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

er, price-to-product ratio DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO

x-post for real Vic? It is completely the opposite of that out here in flyover country.

― nickalicious why does he click submit so soon? (nickalicious), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Ah Kentucky. Where the bourbon flows like blood and the drug culture is completely upside the fuck down.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

And all the while OxyContin and other prescription painkillers are still getting prescribed to folks with no knowledge of how dangerous they are

Whaddya mean "prescribed"?

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-07/08/content_3193139.htm

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Vic, that's so weird, cuz that's like totally the opposite of how speed used to be. Speed was really a working class drug. People did it as much to ensure that they could still make it to work the next day as they did for kicks. And coke was the total hedonistic party drug. Of course the price of coke has plummetted in the past 20 or so years which probably has something to do with the change.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

I've only seen people break into their own parents' homes to steal televisions and stereo equipment and whatnot for pawning purposes ever in my life over two drugs: SMACK and MEF. Note, White House, that neither is WEED.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

x-post for real Vic? It is completely the opposite of that out here in flyover country.

Oh, completely. Many of the bus posters of the gay-identified Village and Chelsea nabes of NYC are all about equating meth with promiscuous sex with AIDS. Maybe I can find a poster or two.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

http://www.urbanbassline.com/nightclub_guide/img/metod-man.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

POT AND METH TOGETHER

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

er, price-to-product ratio DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO

No, I'm not familiar with that currently. I haven't done any such things in almost ten years. I just remember that good cocaine is really good, and the best speed I've ever had made me feel like going on a fucking killing spree. A fucking AND killing spree, maybe. Cocaine is for friends and loved ones.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

Yeah that's the way it is in San Francisco too. I imagine it's mostly bullshit too although I don't have any stats to back that assertion up.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Well it's just developed a real party reputation now. Ffrom what i've heard the dirtiest bathouses and sex clubs, regardless of the orientation of clientele, are practically made of meth. it is also the most commonly blamed factor for the resurgence in HIV and the syphilis outbeak in the past 5 years

And what was most troubling, the last time I went in for a routine std test, the guy giving me my results told me he's really depressed with his job and hates it since every week he tells 5-6 different 19-21 year old boys they're HIV positive, and 8 times out of 10 they answered yes to the "have you had sex on crystal meth" question during the diagnostic questionnaire.

Of course this clinic was in Weho, so it's not like this everywhere, but I'm sure Chelsea is not dissimilar. "Do you PnP?" = Aaaargh!

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

I had some really, really good speed once in Japan called, of all things, 'shabu shabu'. I woke the next morning after less than 4 hours sleep feeling as fresh as a daisy and was amazed. That evening I crashed so hard there was a crater in my bed.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Pot + speed is like chocolate + peanut butter.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

A better illustration than any poster I could dredge up: tweaker.org (not entirely work-safe).

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

"it is also the most commonly blamed factor for the resurgence in HIV and the syphilis outbeak in the past 5 years"

Really? And I thought it was the shrinking use of condoms? Silly me.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Meth is much much more readily available in large midwestern college towns (where use is skyrocketing) than coke and even perhaps pot right now in Indiana. Plus most of our pot is grown by farmers as a side business where the meth makers are totally nuts. I know several people who teach in schools where they know the kids are up all night due to parent's meth binges/being forced to help make it but they are terrified to confront the parents due to fear of being killed. Meth is esp. popular among sorority girls to keep their weight down.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

YEah, in SF now there's this whole "Crystal Mess" campaign aimed against the gay crystal-club-cruise connection. The guy in the billboard looks fucked up.

― andy --, Friday, 8 July 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

The condoms come off after you've answered in the affirmative to the "do u PnP?" question, Alex! Honestly, thats how it happens

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

Excuse my ignorance but what is PnP?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

"it is also the most commonly blamed factor for the resurgence in HIV and the syphilis outbeak in the past 5 years"

Not only does it tend to loosen inhibitions but it weakens the immune system, making people more prone to infection. I have, in fact, lectured my gay friends about keeping their willies wrapped. The resurgence in syphillis and AIDS is giving me fucked up memories of all the people I saw die in the 80's.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

"Party and Play" but by extension i'd translate it as, "lets go crackers on meth and potentially have unsafe raw monkey bareback sex"

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:28 (twenty years ago)

Not to politicize things -- actually, to politicize things heavily, I feel like for an Administration that has so much support from rural "commonfolk" they sure are doing a good job ignoring something that's kicking small towns squarely in the nutsack.

― matlewis (matlewis), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

I don't understand why Democrats aren't creating a gigantic bugbear out of the crystal meth issue. Well, actually I do but still it would be nice to see them spin an issue that didn't play directly to the urban.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Here in LA, where you can get anything you want at any time, meth isn't very popular right now, at least among the indie boho set. 10 Years ago it was though, and the biggest scenester meth head that I knew would up a low-rent prostitute in SF, hooked on heroin. I saw meth turn people into monsters, more violent and unreasonable than junkies, who are just more sneaky and lying. Meth is #1 on my list of Drugs to Not Do and Hate.

As far as I can see, LAPD does NOT see pot as a priority at all, and all the news is about busting meth labs in the desert.

― Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

(I am clean, but even otherwise the indie boho set is so boring.)

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

that's cause police have to be a lot more practical in what they choose to focus on and attack.
xpost

― oops (Oops), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Here in portland, there's no shortage of meth news / "Faces of Meth" thingees in the local daily paper. The SE outskirts of the city are where all the labs are.

hang on, where's that other thread on this i created...

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Dan, yr OTM. I feel like the Democratic Party's best chance at actually starting to matter again is to address problems that people care about, and maybe show how the party these people voted for has failed to address these problems.

― matlewis (matlewis), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

I'd say TEH GAYS component to the meth problem gives them one pretty attractive reason to ignore the problem, mirroring the beauracratic apathy towards AIDS back in the early eighties -- it's just a gay problem so who cares? etc. Not that meth is a problem exclusive to the gay community, of course...but, well, neither was AIDS.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

PS This is a bugbear:

http://www.onlinegamescompany.com/war/gallery/bugbear.jpg

"WHERE THE METH AT???"

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

I think I saw that guy at The MeatGrinder the other night.

― matlewis (matlewis), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

THE FACES OF METH

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

Vic--those boring people end up making some of the music that people talk about on ILM, so I don't think I'd slag them off wholesale...

― Orbit (Orbit), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/sheriff/images/meth/before_after/theresa2_5_years.jpg

― Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Friday, 8 July 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

We have a million meth users? That sounds like a problem. One meth addict is way more than 15 times the trouble of one pothead.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 8 July 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

is the White House's position really any kind of mystery? It's simple political math. For right-wingers who remember the 60s, pot = lefty radicalism, and lefty radicalism = THE GREAT SATAN. Their position has nothing to do with statistics, actual drug effects, crime, or any of that. It is pure, stupid, deep-rooted cultural fear of what can (and did, in a way) happen when massive amounts of Americans are stoned out of their minds.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 July 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

(conversely, no meth addict ever became a "dangerous" lefty radical, so who gives a fuck what they do to themselves? stupid poor people.)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 July 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

SMC coming correct.

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 8 July 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Yup. Multnomah County. Home sweet Portland.

xpost

Their position has nothing to do with statistics, actual drug effects, crime, or any of that. It is pure, stupid, deep-rooted cultural fear of what can (and did, in a way) happen when massive amounts of Americans are stoned out of their minds.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 8 July 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

But surely most of our elected Republicans have smoked pot too. A lot of them have even admitted it (although always in that "deeply regret" way). Most Republicans I know have smoked pot. I guess it still carries that symbolic weight, but I wonder how long can that stand up, against the actual experiences of a nation where the vast majority of people have either smoked pot or know people who have smoked pot without ruining their lives.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 8 July 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

dammit, i forgot to add my comment of "yup, more fully rational, well-reasoned-out policy."

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 8 July 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

I wonder how long can that stand up, against the actual experiences of a nation where the vast majority of people have either smoked pot or know people who have smoked pot without ruining their lives.

well, yeah. i mean, hell, we had a President and a Vice President who both copped to it(well, one was a bit weasely about it). We have a President NOW who's done worse.

Old battles die hard.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 8 July 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

Wait until Young Republicans get into office. 100% guarantee that the entire staff of, say, the D4artmouth Review smoked their brains out back at the frat house. While they'll probably get sanctimonious and regretful about it later in life, it won't be a Big Dirty Secret.

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 8 July 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v13/blackperson/icons/769734.gif

― no tech! (ex machina), Friday, 8 July 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Best Paul Anka song ever

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 8 July 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

"I'd say TEH GAYS component to the meth problem gives them one pretty attractive reason to ignore the problem, mirroring the beauracratic apathy towards AIDS back in the early eighties -- it's just a gay problem so who cares? etc. Not that meth is a problem exclusive to the gay community, of course...but, well, neither was AIDS."

The race (and by extension locality and class) thing is even bigger. If meth production/distribution was in the hands of African-Americans, law enforcement would be dealing with it in a totally different way.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

ie, selling it to them one minute and gunning them down the next?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 July 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Basically. With a lot of long jail sentences for anyone in sniffing distances of the stuff.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 8 July 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

this seems appropriate:

http://www.mapinc.org/norml/v05/n1065/a03.htm?134

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 July 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

methinks the source might be biased

― Tigerstyle Shamanic Vision Quester (sexyDancer), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

b-b-but smoking weed is a gateway to smoking cigarettes, and that causes cancer!
xpost but the one who did the study isn't.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

the one who did the study *definitely* is not pro-pot biased. The other doctor cited towards the end, Donald Abrams, is a fairly prominent local AIDS doc (who I actually got to do some work with in my non-profit HIV education days).

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 July 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

METH VS CHEF

― I Named Veal (nordicskilla), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

that reference gets a 3 out of 10.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

T/S Facts and Myths on Israel vs. NORML on Pot

― no tech! (ex machina), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

the lung cancer thing is a red herring though. if pot were legal, other means of delivering thc would be much more practical.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

I had some cannibinol, which comes in little plastic bb-sized spheres that dissolve in your digestive system. That shit was weird. Same with "smoking" weed through an atomizer. The effects are there, but they aren't quite the same as from smoking. I'm not sure why.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 July 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

How different than brownies?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

brownies : pot smoking :: hash : atomizer/cannibinol, etc.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 July 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

(I think brownies made with properly prepared pot-butter are the best delivery system, personally.)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 July 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

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― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm. I haven't ever smoked hash w/out tobacco so I'm not sure I follow, but I have smoked weed out of an vaporizer, which was....odd.

I tend to agree but I like hash too. It's really quite a different drug/high really.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

I used a vaporizer for the 1st time last night! 'Twas strange - think I'd rather have a splif.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

I just mean that vaporizers etc. seem like slightly weaker versions of hash.

plus I don't feel the need to complicate my pot habit with any newfangled devices/systems. hell, maybe I should just go back to good old laudanum...

x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 8 July 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Shakey, I feel ya. I'm going back to the mead hall.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:01 (twenty years ago)

IF YOU DON'T COUGH YOU DON'T GET OFF

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

I hope I never have to hear that from a proctologist.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

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