sally potter's 'yes'

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i think i am going to see it this afternoon. strangely perhaps i am looking forward to it more than any film this year so far.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

please report on it in rhyming couplets

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

a o scott hates it

fe zaffe (fezaffe), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

she's never bettered 'Thriller', imho

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

you're thinking of john landis (common mistake)

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

this has to the be worst-reviewed film this year.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

ebert and jonathan rosenbaum adored it! rosenbaum was being his usual contrary self, though.

i enjoy potter's films and i enjoy defending them. they are pretentious, but she is able to do things for a lack of fear of being pretentious that no one else would do.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

i didn't realize she'd made anything since Orlando which I really like. Is the Man Who Cried any good?

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

it is! not that you'd know it from the reviews.

to clarify my last point: not that doing things other people don't do is a good thing in itself! i've attacked that sort of reasoning on ilx before. i think potter does some nice things. like writing dialogue in rhyming iambic pentameter!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

deadwood does this (well, without the rhymes) and everone applauds it. so it must be the rhymes that people are objecting to in Yes.

kyle (akmonday), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

aren't all of her movies about exotic foreigners who seduce lonely women?

not that that's NECCESSARILY a bad thing, i guess

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

sometimes I think it's a fear of being pretentious that leads to boring cinema.

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

it has tilda swinton and joan allen,,,rowr

i am going to see it this afternoon. strangely perhaps i am looking forward to i, Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

i think a lot of things can lead to boring cinema!

and yes, half of her movies are about anglo-american women being seduced by exotic strangers!

it has tilda swinton and joan allen,,,rowr . Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

ebert's review and accompanying interview went on and on about joan allen's lithe body!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

I get the sense that a lot of filmmakers hold back on the "pretense" and amp up the self-aware irony/winks to the audience, when more of the former and none of the latter would be a lot more interesting.

Gear! being seduced by exotic strangers (Gear!), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:27 (twenty years ago)

swinton isn't in this one, anthony!

but you know who is? lol coxhill! wtf?!

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I should check if my "free pass" to see this is for a viewing that hasn't happened yet...

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 9 July 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

doesnt it?
what movie is she in lately

anthony easton (anthony), Saturday, 9 July 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

I get the sense that a lot of filmmakers hold back on the "pretense" and amp up the self-aware irony/winks to the audience, when more of the former and none of the latter would be a lot more interesting.

well said gear! it's the irony & winks, and there are so much of them now, that are pretentious.

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 9 July 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

i think you're taking too-broad swipes. what films are you talking about? what winks in those films? what are those winks pretending to?

anthony, tilda swinton is in the new jim jarmusch movie. she was also starring in the abortive new bela tarr movie. oh and constantine.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

somebody quoted me anthony lane's zinger re this. i can't remember, but i think it was one of these:

"You are doing something unusual, Harold!"

"I certainly am in a bar with other businessmen."

"This desert island is a bummer."

"I love being wealthy in the Hamptons."

"I'm saying a cliché in a different context, Pam."

"Boy, I sure do like intercourse."

"I'm thinking something incongruous to what I'm doing."

"Wanda, we are doing some nutty things in this picture!"

n_RQ, Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

Armond white is wrong most of the time, but he's right about that guy

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

wait, not Armond White. Godfrey Cheshire.

He’s not really a film critic but a quip-minded belletrist who happened into a lucrative gig and appears to have no inclination, now, to patch up the gaping holes in his knowledge of film. (Why learn anything about a subject that’s only there to be the object of one’s witticisms?).

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

about Anthony Lane or the NYT guy?

jed_ (jed), Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

so he's upset that lane hasn't done his homework? sounds like the green-eyed monster to me

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

like are you not allowed to be a film critic until you've sat through the AFI 100 or something?

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 9 July 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

Somebody report back if "Yes" is worth the effort. I'm a Potter fan, but the prospect of 90 minutes of couplets gives me pause.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 9 July 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, how was this? I'm trying to decide between seeing this or Cronicas tommorow.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 9 July 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

so he's upset that lane hasn't done his homework? sounds like the green-eyed monster to me

I dunno, I think this is a pretty fair assessment of Lane. He's pretty broad and decisive for someone who doesn't seem to have the (film) experience to back it up. I love reading him--and his cultural commentary and book reviews are excellent--but his critical muscle is pretty paltry.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 9 July 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

i'll admit he's kind of... foppish, but i guess that's part of the charm, a somewhat careless and witty reviewer who isn't steeped in Film Studies.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 9 July 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Orlando's the bomb.

Nevada Lime (nordicskilla), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:23 (twenty years ago)

Bloom, that is. We went to the same school.

Nevada Lime (nordicskilla), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/bloomps.jpg

Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:31 (twenty years ago)

We never spoke, and something tells me we never will.

Nevada Lime (nordicskilla), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

wow

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

I also love Orlando the film.

Nevada Lime (nordicskilla), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

I thought ILE hated Anthony Lane. ILE hates most "critics" though.

Nevada Lime (nordicskilla), Sunday, 10 July 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

imagine being called orlando at school

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 10 July 2005 01:12 (twenty years ago)

....because most high schoolers are well-versed in virginia woolf?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 10 July 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

I loved Orlando.

My free pass is the same night as band rehearsal. Meh.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 10 July 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

orlando was one of my seminal movie expriences.

anthony, Sunday, 10 July 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

I ended up seeing Cronicas tonight. Half of which was amazing.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Sunday, 10 July 2005 04:56 (twenty years ago)

so uh.. amateurist, you never told us whether you saw the movie and whether you liked it!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 10 July 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

i didn't see it! i ended up doing something else. but i might see it today.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 10 July 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...
1) How is Yes?

2) Can those who love Orlando speak a little more specifically about why they like the movie so much?

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)

2 sounds more accusatory than it should. I'm just curious, as it did very little for me.

C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)

i like how orlando looks like artifice ridden high camp, but its a heart breaking tragedy, it has a core of emotional earnestness

anthony, Tuesday, 25 October 2005 05:09 (twenty years ago)

I liked Yes a lot, though a lot of people disagreed with me (Toby i think hated it).

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

RAGE looks a bit white elephant

plaques (I know, right?), Thursday, 5 November 2009 00:01 (sixteen years ago)

it sounds a little desperate, doesn't it? sort of like that depalma iraq movie. got no financing? need to seem cutting edge? holed up in your tiresome haute-bourgeois milieu? try the web-verité approach.

in much happier news, sally potter's THE GOLD DIGGERS -- awesome and, yes, pretentious -- is coming out on DVD:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gold-Diggers-DVD-Sally-Potter/dp/B002KHMKJ0/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1257379574&sr=1-2

amateurist, Thursday, 5 November 2009 00:06 (sixteen years ago)

i don't mind the idea of some utube roshomon but why is it this glossy lookin thing with a top name cast shot with big bright backdrops, press release says "sum kids mobile phone" yeah whatever

plaques (I know, right?), Thursday, 5 November 2009 00:13 (sixteen years ago)

two months pass...

So I saw Yes last night for the first time. It takes a while to get used to its theatrical conventions and meter (same with watching Shakespeare and Moliere), but then it kicked in and worked well. Specific "set pieces" -- soliloquies and duets, in this case -- had some outstanding dramatic verse writing.

Potter-isms carried over from Orlando: the character who turns and stares at the camera; the characters using a video camera in the course of the story.

Definitely in the same school as Jeanette Winterson -- either it'll hook you or it won't work at all. Worked for me.

rogue whizzing (Eazy), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:12 (fifteen years ago)

feel cheated that amateurist never saw this

scent of a wolfman (s1ocki), Wednesday, 27 January 2010 21:28 (fifteen years ago)

eight years pass...

From "last (x) movies you saw":

hey if it's playing in your city I highly recommend THE PARTY, a very short (71 minutes) black comedy by Sally Potter. great cast: Patricia Clarkson, Bruno Ganz, Cherry Jones, Emily Mortimer, Cillian Murphy, Kristin Scott Thomas, Timothy Spall. I realize it came out in the UK in October but just opened here in the States.

― flappy bird, Tuesday, March 6, 2018 8:25 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Saw this tonight and really enjoyed it as well. Slightly contrived -- one-room, one-scene story. But the cast is excellent across the board, from Cherry Joans to Scott Thomas, Clarkson, and the rest.

... (Eazy), Sunday, 18 March 2018 05:33 (seven years ago)

I thought it was fun and piquant but deeply silly. The acting and camerawork was good, the script less so, the plot much less so

imago, Sunday, 18 March 2018 10:24 (seven years ago)

The script was horrible, I felt. There were a couple of lines I jotted down as examples of how painfully bad expository dialogue can be.

Frederik B, Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:01 (seven years ago)

Let's hear em then

I didn't fancy this at all despite having many opportunities to see it (it seemed to get a really big push here for some reason, they've even had ads for the DVD release play in cinemas just now). Now I know it's only 71 minutes I guess I'll get it out the library at some point

scotti pruitti (wins), Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:20 (seven years ago)

the final twist is one of the stupidest in movie history but it's just about worth watching luvvies sending themselves and the last fifty years of the bourgie left up

imago, Sunday, 18 March 2018 15:22 (seven years ago)


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