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My Head-Shed Of Service David Griffiths called me in yesterday at 1300 hours Zulu time. Apparently InTech (those mofos in charge of web Development, computer maintenance, etc. in my local Council) found "inappropriate material" on my drive.

Anyhoo, he has made me attend a Disciplinary Hearing on Monday wherein they will classify me as a deviant and sack my Punk Ass.http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/mad.gif

I have an idea of how to act, but I'd love to hear your suggestions on what I should do. Any ultraHarsh submissions seriously considered...

Kodanshi, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kodanshi, you are the nicest deviant I have ever known. If loving feet and fecal porn is a crime then I don't want to.... be a policeman. I don't really want to be a policeman even if it isn't a crime, actually. I bet I'd get bullied.

N., Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know if this a good STRATEGY, but morally TOTALLY FRONT IT OUT and stick consistently to the principle that THEY are the pervy deviant creeps for snooping. Which they are.

Kodanshi you have surely placed "inappropriate mnaterial" on ALL our drives. This is why we love you.

mark s, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Does anyone else have access to you drive. There's your scapegoat. Plus ignorance of downloading / caching of stuff plus company police.

Unless they want to fire your punk ass, in which case you're fucked.

Pete, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

kodanshi, what's: InTech (those mofos in charge of web Development, computer maintenance, etc. in my local Council) all about? part of your company? or a local govt. thing?

and what is the supposed "inappropriate material"?

jess, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

tell not show!!

mark s, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

dear god yes!! thank you mark!

jess, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

If you're in a Trade Union, and they do their job properly, it might be an idea to involve them, for legal advice etc.

stevo, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And maybe for swapping porn.

N., Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Are the policies about use of the internet, downloads, definition of 'inappropriate material' etc clearly documented for all employees to read?

Did they tell all employees that they were snooping?

If no to the above, then you're in a good position. Certainly use a Union if you can.

I'm assuming that the stuff you have isn't so dodgy that the old bill would be interested?!

Dr. C, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I don't have any child porn or owt like that! But I do have SOME porn (I can't remember what though!), violent images (squashed guy who fell victim to a tank), loads of songs, loads of videos, etc. Most I stocked mainly because of my workplace's massive hard drive space. Some ultra- dodgy stuff (people crushing snails and suchlike) I stored to gross out various folks on online message boards (mainly Prolapse).

I can't really claim anyone else put that shite there - only I have access to what they call a "home drive".

InTech - a department in Kirklees Metropolitan Council which deals with computer-based aspects. I think people know that they keep checks. I suspect they had their eye on me due to my using web-based e-mail accounts. They've firewalled them out (along with game sites, lingerie, alternative journals, drug abuse, etc. etc.), but my address below didn't fall into their catchment.

I can't believe that people would look at you differently simply because you would engage in something that I believe almost everyone feels (sexual desire). It didn't affect my work...

Ah well. I'll just go in all amiable and not speak in their language of politics. I think in situations where people expect you to react in a certain way you should confound their expectations completely. I believe they want me to either beg & apologise or fight. Instead I shall sit there calmly and meet them upon this honestly.

Cheers for all your kind words peeps! It feels good to know that some of all y'all like me. http://www.ezboard.com/intl/aenglish/images/emoticons/roll.gif

Kodanshi, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kodanshi, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just don't try to befriend them with anecdotes about fecal porn, that's all.

DG, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Good luck, Kondashi! I have to be really careful about what I look at at work, because I know that the company monitors everybody and they don't allow us to look at certain kinds of sites. But they lay this policy out when you start work so that everyone knows what it is. If your employer doesn't have any clear cut guidelines set out regarding the internet and computer usage, I think you should be able to fight this.

Nicole, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)


But I thought that would win them over!

Kodanshi, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheers Nicole. Alas - I think that I've fucked up badly and they'll just fire my arse. I don't feel THAT bothered. I had joined on a Training Scheme, so it paid less than minimum wage, but I don't want to lose those friends I made.

Kodanshi, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Good luck Kodanshi! I have lived on borrowed time since I joined this company, and although I don't *think* I have anything dodgy on this computer, a simple log of the time I spent online would have had me fired years ago.

Having said that, I did a quick clear-out of my cookies a few months ago and at least half-a-dozen were explicitly sexual, despite the fact that I have *never* knowingly been to a porn site at work. It's all too easy to fall into the trap...

However, unless they actually do want to get rid of you, you'll probably be okay. Someone else already said that, ah well.

Mark C, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Best 'o luck Kodanshi! Find some legal loophole or countersue them for invasion of employee privacy (or get a job at Footlocker! ..sorry). If they've decided to fire Your Punk Ass, then don't go quietly! Program some HTML to insert rotten fish under their car seats and lower their children's school grades and other unpleasant things!

Mitch Lastnamewithheld, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, someone suggested on Prolapse that I crash their mainframe. But I like this idead best. I don't think I could pull it off though:
a few (unrealistic) suggestions-

put a little tape player in your mounth, have a small remote controll running down to your pocket, and when they ask why you were looking at porn, open your mouth and press play. At which point the sweet melodies of masonna will come bellowing out your gob. I bet they wouldnt be expecting that.

Kodanshi, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry Kodanshi, that sucks. What everyone else says. Look into your contract etc. I can't honestly say what you described sounds like porno. People and snails getting squashed? gross maybe but inappropriate? I like to go to Rotten.com I guess that's the same .. whatever.

Good luck, don't let the man bring you down. Everybody else, regularly delete those cache files!

Samantha, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The Disciplinary Hearing / InTech thing has a ring to '1984'

Laetitia, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But isn't it all there still somewhere once deleted?

Bill, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It might be that they actually can't fire you for having this stuff on your hard drive. If you have an HR department, ask their advice and ask to see the company handbook, if they have one.

It seems to me that while there are several high-profile cases of workers getting fired for looking at porn, most companies take a more pragmatic approach. If you're a good employee, they'd be idiots for letting you go for a minor and probably forgiveable misdemeanour, unless you work in a prmiary school, abused woamn refuge or some other sensitive area (which you don't).

However, if you do get let off (or even if you get an official warning), you can be absolutely sure that some vidictive jobsworth is going to watch your Punk Ass for months afterwards.

As for revenge, go to a cybercaff and sign your persecutor up to every dodgy site you can find using their work email address.

Mark C, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Man, I'm sorry about that Kodanshi. My workplace is different. My co-worker goes to chat rooms. I walked in on 'the man' checking out a porn site when I went to turn in my 'goals' sheet. Whatever I do is mild compared to some people around here. Plus, we have a porn library upstairs anyway.

Kerry, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

dotn try to get revenge, that s gonna get you in more trouble

Mike Hanle y, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Depending on where you live, what the company handbook says and what exactly they found, there is no legal loophole to get out of being fired. There's absolutely no reason to store stuff like that on your work hard drive and companies do not have to tell their employees that they are monitoring computer usage - the computers are their property, not the employee's. I'm very sorry Kodanshi, and hopefully they will just let you off with a warning (hopefully the employee handbook isn't clear about it, and since this is a first offense most places will just tell you that you are on probation and not to do it again), but I'm more posting this for everyone else, most of whom seem to be under the impression that the employee has some rights in this situation. You really don't so don't do things like this at work! Don't save anything onto your hard drive or any shared drive that could possibly get you in trouble, and if you even vaguely think your company is monitoring, don't do anything at all - these are not the times to be screwing around, companies are doing a lot of layoffs.

Again, Kodanshi that's not directed at you, I hope you sort everything out amicably.

Ally, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Surely if they've never warned you, they can't sack you? There are procedures they have to follow, or your punk ass can sue theirs.

suzy, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i abuse my computer priviliges, but it's more like mark c's: if they took a look at my history file and saw just how much time was spent online, my ass would be out the door. now i'm desperately trying to think if i've ever accidentally happened upon anything "unacceptable." oy. this feeds right into my kafka-esque paranoia.

jess, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A bad situation indeed (I was about to say 'bum situation,' but you know...). Not much to add except to say I'm glad I have rather relaxed employers! Hope all goes well, Kodanshi, but heed Mike -- vengeance would be unwise...at least immediately.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Suzy, having been up against a disciplinary a few months ago, I did a lot of research to find out what might happen to me and what I could do about it, and unfortunately, if the offence is deemed serious enough, they can indeed fire you straight of. However, unless they are under pressure to follow the letter of the law, they will almost certainly use their discretion and give you a verbal or (as in my case) a written warning. I should also say that the fact I got a straight written warning without a verbal one first (which is what my head of HR said I was likely to get, as per the guidelines in the company handbook) was a big factor in me wangling redundancy rather than trying to make this job really work.

On the other side of the coin, don't forget that there are appeal procedures you can follow if you feel that the punishment, assuming there is one, is unfair. I beleive there are 3 levels of appeal - in my case, I went to the first, lost it, and stopped there as I had no desire for the board of directors to find out about my situation.

Whether you feel hard done by or not, it's at least going to be a kick up the arse which will hopefully make you a better employee (said with tongue undecided about its position re: cheek). Also, don't forget (as was repeatedly said to me) that if you're not fired, they are obliged to help you sort the problem out and move on.

Good luck, and I'll stop banging on now.

Mark C, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sorry but HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH AH HA HA HA HA HA AH HA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HOPE YOU ALL GET THE SACK CUNTS

The Reaper, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

At the job I held before the one I've got now, I brought in a program on a Zip disk to help diagnose a computer problem. (This wasn't something I had to do, mind you -- I just did it as a favor.) While I took dinner, I checked my email, which I kept on Zip at the time. A week or two later, I got a threatening note from my boss (the company owner), telling me that if I used "company resources" I would be billed for them, and that I was expected to only do company work on company time, etc., etc., etc. Pretty low of him (and it wasn't worth explaining or arguing, because he was out to get me and everyone else anyway, after we voted to join a union).

Of course, I had the last laugh, as shortly before I resigned, a coworker and I discovered a massive cache of pr0n on one of the computers. Our (extremely sanctimonious) employer had apparently been using our office's only Windows machine -- which didn't, I think, even belong to the company, but rather belonged to one of our clients! -- to look at dirty bits at 3 in the morning. He knew to clear the history trail, but apparently didn't realize that Explorer kept a cache of that sort of thing...

google-me-not, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well peeps, I have decided to resign. Basically they had suggested to me I "take annual leave" until Monday. As I came on a Training Scheme they can't really suspend me, but it works out as that. And they only do it if things will not go well at your Hearing.

If they fire me it will not look good on my CV. If I resign I can honestly say I left of my own accord.

So I thank all y'all. At least it has gotten me my longest discussion thread on this Board!

Kodanshi, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"sorry but HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA AH AH HA HA HA HA HA AH HA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HOPE YOU ALL GET THE SACK CUNTS "

It's all about losing our west London non-jobs, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!

DG, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

You gonna be OK, Kodanshi? I mean, you're wicked good at HTML and finding er weird things on the net: perhaps you can find a job which uses yr skills and ahem preferences.

mark s, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah - I'll drift through as I've drifted all my life. Cheers for your concern. It just means I can't spend as frivolously as I usually did. And I can't buy my local Big Issue seller daily sarnies.

Kodanshi, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Kinda late on this, but good luck Kodanshi!

james, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)


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