So! Who has the GTA: San Andreas "Hot Coffee" mod?

for those who want to check out the mod for themselves.

I'd be wanting to know this too because obv it makes all the difference. I mean if some dork just wrote a mod himself, that isnt Rockstar's fault and doesnt mean the game rating should be changed.

That said, even tho I think its a great series, I gotta admit sometimes when I watch Nick play it I think "man this game's brutal."

Nudity = OH NO THEY'VE GONE TOO FAR NOW!?!?!?!?!?!

hee hee. and it was a Dutch guy who coded it, tho he's not helping any:

The mod's author - Patrick Wildenborg, 36, of Deventer, Netherlands - said his code merely unlocked content that was already included in the code of each off-the-shelf game.

"If Rockstar Games denies that, then they're lying and I will be able to prove that," Mr Wildenborg wrote in an email. "My mod does not introduce anything to the game. All the content that is shown was already present on the DVD."

they're coming out of the woodwork, of course:

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/thompson-calls-for-esa-pres-resignation-112565.php

...As a lifelong Republican who ran against Janet Reno, I can note that whereas the largest chapter of the National Organization for Women, located in New York, has had me address them regarding the misogyny and violence against women depicted in the Grand Theft Auto games, the supposedly “family values” Republican President of the United States, George W. Bush, has consistently turned away from parents who have asked him to speak out against the entertainment industry’s assault on our children.

The evening in January 2000 that I appeared on NBC Nightly News to talk about the link between violent games and Columbine, Tom Brokaw asked then Governor Bush about that link and what he as President would do about it? George Bush simply said “Parents just have to be better parents.” He should trying telling that to my clients in Paducah whose three daughters were gunned down by 14-year-old video gamer Michael Carneal, who trained on Doom to become a more efficient killer. What did they, as parents, Mr. President, do wrong? Was sending their kids to school their mistake?

George Bush, as Governor of Texas, gave a state tax break to Id Software of Dallas, the makers of Doom, after Columbine, for Heaven’s sake, and it is his Department of Defense which has subsidized with taxpayer dollars the creation of violent video games for teen consumption at the Institute for Creative Technologies at the University of Southern California. Defense Secretary Rumsfeld has increased funding for this taxpayer rip-off since my appearance on ABC’s World News Tonight more than two years ago exposing this scandal. Don Rumsfeld is supposed to be catching terrorists, not training them....

http://www.stopkill.com/

Somewhere, maybe, there's a debate to be had. But not with these sententious fucktards.

an old line that's been around since Doom, if not earlier. Probably started with the Death Race 2000 arcade game from the late '70s.

None of this has anything to do with the actual facts, such as how kids can't buy M-rated games. But, as Lakoff notes, conceptual framings beat the facts every time. Our precious innocent infants are under attack by these predatory Scottish gamedev guys, so we must protect them at all costs.

to which the only valid response is

http://www.gtascraper.com/content/sanan/maccer.jpg
"I can't feel me legs! I wanked the use out of 'em!"

...

bah.

I still don't know whether I buy this or not, but I find it funny that politicians et al. still think they can garner support by spending time on censor detail. Does anybody remember Tipper?!? It's really bad marketing!

altho a poster there did make the point that modifying executable code is the same as changing an art asset. I guess it all comes down to how buried the stuff is in the game, if at all.

NO MORE GTA: CROTCH

Give me a fuckin break.

I have no interest in this game. It seems completely devoid of imagination.

The opposite is true! I wish I played video games.

!!!

Give me a fuckin break.

well, of course, htat's how the rules/rating systems are set up n shit.

But there seems to be this problem with any sort of media that is connected with kids getting MASSIVE amounts of flack whenever producers of said media want to do someting for an older audience.
games, comix, anime/cartoons, television, etc.

You still need a way to be able to filter the shit so that it can actually get out to an adult audience even tho we live in a culture where most parents don't give much of a shit if their kids play the game, yet legislation is enacted when the few overly-vocal conservative elements complain. Yeah, two Senate democrats are leading the charge on this, but this is still a conservative impulse; both in the idea that media can infect children with harmful thoughts and that media identified with children can never change or evolve.

hence the lovingly detailed gore, the meticulous attention to recreating the actual locale as accurately as possible, the endless emphasis on doing "real life" things (getting coffee, playing video games, carjackings, etc.), the gratuitous inclusion of "real" people, etc. gimme a break. the entire point of this game is to create the most faithful version of reality possible in which people can do anything they want without the consequences that would otherwise follow. I don't care about that. There's no idea there. Its a pathologically limited imagination that, given a potentially limitless pallete of tools, cannot think of anything to do besides recreate what they see around them sans ethics. fuck that.

actually, aside from blood, there's ain't any. This isn't Postal 2, a game designed to guilty of just about every charge ever levelled at the GTA series.

the entire point of this game is to create the most faithful version of reality possible in which people can do anything they want without the consequences that would otherwise follow.

actually, it's not. the game is far more about putting the player into the media from which the games base their design. there's far too much effort put into satire and a stylized experience than just going for realism.

xpost: BIIIIIIG Earl!

I don't understand this point. the media from which the games base their design is the real world - specifically various urban environments.

* * * * *

Quick, must find a large body on water - cops drown in water!

It's all a loving homage to what the nineties thought about itself.
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There's a difference between GTA3, set in Liberty City, and True Crime: Streets of NY. The game settings are a particular abstraction & rendering of certain traits of real places, yes, but they are still fictional settings. Similarly to how Gotham & Metropolis are both stylized abstractions of NYC, but both with a different slant.

What's clouding this is that there ARE several different games where the same mistake was made; the GTA clones thought that the strenght of the series was the verisimilitude, so you get stuff like True Crime NY/L.A. or the Getaway which make a big deal out of how they're "modeled" on real places, when that's missing the point entirely.

that's why Tony Montana's mansion is there(CCTV monitors in the office & all). that's why VC had the chainsaw. that's why the motel is there.

same thing with San Andreas. you are put into a very singular place; not early 90's South Central L.A., but into Los Santos, a place based on the cinematic representations of early 90's South Central L.A.

you seem stupid.

do they set it at a particular point in the past, and thus base the culture of the game(pop & all) around satirizing the touchstones of that particular era & place? or do they keep it in 2005 and just concentrate more on poking fun at the particular culture of wherever its set? (my bet: London)

oh yeah, and a bunch of xposts to my last few.

I wouldn't mind one set a few years hence, with nods to sci-fi films, comics and literature.

Wasn't Sin City posited as a possible location a few years back?

2) since the Sin City movie was a hit(with a sequel on the way), there's NO WAY that the license hasn't already been snapped up by some big time gamedev like EA or Activision or whomever. the game will probably come out in 2006-2007, will be a GTA clone, and will suck tremendous ass.

Heh. Nick's company somehow originally snagged a crack at the rights for this , via I think Activision. This was wayyy back afore the film came out. Ive seen his working sketches and 3d roughs of Marv and everything. And yes, much to all of their chagrin it was being requested to be done like a GTA style game.

They didn't end up going ahead with it but you can bet yr arse someone wil if the film's done well. Thank god not them tho, it wouldve been embarrasing I think (imagine the fanbase outrage).

HA! called it! one of the thinks i've been continually reminded of is that the game industry is like any other; hits spawn legions of imitators.

i mean, shit, the new fucking JAWS game has missions & stuff, and so will the upcoming Final Fight game.

http://www.failmath.com/#051705

Fucking liberals.

which i would then immediately post on here for us all to mock.

note that the Parents Television Council is the group responsible for more than 99% of the complaints against Janet Jackson/CBS last year, and also got Saving Private Ryan pulled from several ABC affliates on Veterans Day.

they also want to go after the Who for doing "Who Are You?" at their Live8 show.

Not only that, but they also admit that Hot Coffee is on XBox and PS2 versions of the game as well.

Hillary & Joe should start an organization called PVRC and try to look even more ridiculous.

Am I missing something or are you all talking around the things that really matter?

How did the pornography get into the game?
We don’t know the answer to this question yet. Either the game publisher, Rockstar, programmed the code onto the disk which was then discovered by avid gamers OR what is know as a “mod” was created by “modders” and downloaded over the Internet to be played with the game. Our computer experts are at work now to answer this question.

"Word."

tho i wonder what the reaction would be.

M (17+)
Adults Only

?

Right now, at least. if GTA4 hits with the AO rating, you'll see them quietly change that policy, even if they have to do the "locked cabinet behind the sales desk" thing that they do for shot guns.

the new ratings rubric

My god this whole this is so incredibly stupid. If I was in the USA I'd go out and kill someone RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!! GARGHH!!

or check places thru Yahoo Shopping...

It isn't even a prostitute! It's a girlfriend you have to woo all old-fashioned like before the fucking starts. I guess the morally questionable thing is the whole premarital part, maybe.

All they do is sit there. What a rip.

actually, they don't like that there anything referring to coitus at all in the game.

remember, most of those who complain about these games don't like the fact that they have anything resembling sexual content at all. The "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is only their method of trying to advance their position.

as for the other folks, just sheer opportunism.

http://sfgate.com/columnists/morford/

How exactly is that "blatantly racist"?

or does he just not like the fact that you now have a black character blowing people up, instead of an Anglo or Italian white guy? does he opt for the simplistic/reductivist "any racial stereotype in any media is racist" mindset?

I just thought the column was well-written, and it encapsulates how tiresome and depressing I find this game (and the way it fits into larger American culture).

(if anything Rockstar is going to make MORE money, I agree with you there)

x-post

an article on the possibility of blocking mods

You must get really tired of typing URL's into your address bar.

adverbs ending -ly don't take a hyphen. weird but true.

[coo ur, a thread that combines grammatical pedantry with sex and GTA. it's my ILX dream come through.]

jesus.

...Children as young as eight have reported finding sexually explicit sequences just like that spread throughout the book thanks to a flaw in the publication process officials are calling the "hot cauldron" mod. Understandably, parents around the world are furious over the matter and have called on Congress and Parliament to have the defective books removed from store shelves.

In its defense Rowling's publisher Scholastic claims that the objectionable material was never intended for young eyes or even public release. The production staff carefully hid the material between chapters through a special printing process, but the millions of counterfeit copies on the market carry a flaw which allows readers to "unlock" Chapter 18 5/8, aka the Slytherin orgy sequence...

Sims 2 content "worse than Hot Coffee"
[UPDATE] Miami attorney Jack Thompson claims cheat codes make EA's life sim a pedophile's paradise by showing genitalia; calls for ban on T-rated game.

[...]

In a manifesto sent today to press outlets, Thompson focuses on dismantling the Entertainment Software Ratings Board and exposing what he calls the industry's "latest dirty little secret." The secret's out now, and it involves nude sims.

In the statement, Thompson says, "Sims 2, the latest version of the Sims video game franchise ... contains, according to video game news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair..."

also, from later in the article:

Jeff Brown, vice president of corporate communications at EA, in response to the accusations, told GameSpot, "This is nonsense. We've reviewed 100 percent of the content. There is no content inappropriate for a teen audience. Players never see a nude sim. If someone with an extreme amount of expertise and time were to remove the pixels, they would see that the sims have no genitals. They appear like Ken and Barbie."

Thompson doesn't buy it. "The sex and the nudity are in the game. That's the point. The blur is an admission that even the 'Ken and Barbie' features should not be displayed. The blur can be disarmed. This is no different than what is in San Andreas, although worse."

[UPDATE] Thompson this afternoon updated his earlier statement, saying he is aware certain mods only remove "the blur," but adds that "Electronic Arts has done nothing about this." Thompson's new conclusion: EA is "cooperating, gleefully, with the mod community to turn Sims 2 into a porn offering."

media-lusting-rabid-conservatives-in-cognitive-dissonnance shocker.

note that he hasn't go after things like The Singles, which actually WAS a shitty porny Sims, if memory serves.

yeah, here 'tis: http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1197