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I was using M$ iNTaRWeB Xplorer, right? But then I got the PH33R, cuz of "Nimda Worm". So I changed to Netskape navig4t0r, but it sux0rz, 'cuz it's so slow. Thee new version = very pretty, blue & friendly-looking, so I pheel guilty abt saying it sux even worse

. It's even slower, hard tho' thiz = to believe. W3 tr!ed to 0rder shopping from asda online, but gave up after it took more than 10 mins to order 1 blox0r ov cheddar cheese. It took nearly 5 mins to cancel said order. I am now using free vers ov "Opera 5" which came w/a komputer magazine thee size ov a telephone direktory. it r0x0r. Are there any better browzerz, or is thiz = as good as it gets?

I remain, sirs & madames, yr devoted servant etc etc

― Norman Phay, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, I used to have a real problem with MSIE. And then, last year, I realized how much better it is than Netscape. It is faster. The new Netscape DOES suck even worse. I just recently dowloaded the 6.2 version myself to check out some web design I did (the fact that I trashed my old Netscape completely gives you some idea of how useless it is to me). The new one is over the top with all the sparkly doodads and geegaws. It is just as slow and I have no use for those "wonderful" extra features.

― Nude Spock, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Opera 5 is good, although I like it less since they added the banner. Netscape is crap. Other options include iCab for Macintosh, which is very good but still in-progress, and the open-source browser Mozilla, which I haven't used, but which has the reputation of being a sprawling, memory-hungry, but highly compatible monster. And of course there are the text browsers, among which are Lynx and (Mac-only) Wannabe, both of which I use regularly (especially Wannabe). My main browser is IE 5 for Mac, but the further they come with iCab, the more I use it; they just have to add full support for CSS, and I'll switch over semi-completely. I'm a big advocate of keeping a full arsenal of different browsers, though -- different ones are better for different things. Wannabe is great for reading blogs and journals, since so many of them (mine included) are in tables which take a while to render in NS/IE, and still take a few seconds in Opera, but which render instantly in a non-graphical browser. Text browsers are definitely handy when you're mainly looking to read, and to render pages quickly.

― Phil, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i use netscape (4.0 = latest versh my pore old computer will tolerate) and it is OK becoz I kno no bettah. It is slow but that is bandwidth I believe and also the mule pushing the energy wheel is low on carrots. However I am having GRATE PROBLEMS at the moment. My preferences doc corrupted, and when i built it i no longer know what to fill in in the "proxies" bit. If I connect "direct to the interweb", it works, but will only let me visit ONE DOMAIN AT A TIME (eg greenspon but not groke, tashlan but not google etc); and i have to shu downb and restart to surf which is giga-lame. Also it loses the DNS quite quickly. This only started yesterday btw.

― mark s, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Bugger, I knew that was going to happen -- I hit the "submit" button too fast. Ah, well, at least it'll be easier to click on Wannabe's site...

― Phil, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark, download Wannabe, MacLynx, or the 68k version of iCab. All are tailor-made for your situation -- the only problem with Wannabe being that it doesn't support form input right now, so you can't actually post anything with it, but it'll let you read a lot faster.

― Phil, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

grrr. of course i cannot follow that lynk w/o shutting down netscape and starting it up again with the link as my homepage - and ditto each time i have to cross out of a domain!! - and it will not allow ftp as a home page (or plain cannot find it) so i never get to the download bit. i will try at work next week

I NEED A NEW COMPUTER. Ethan put my new computer on yr wishlist NOW!! G3 with all the trimmings.

― mark s, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mark, can you receive email attachments? Someone could email you MacLynx or even Wannabe, they're both pretty small. Heck, either one can fit on a floppy disk, actually -- Wannabe's a lean 400k, and MacLynx is 1.1MB. (iCab clocks in at 1.4MB for the 68k version.)

― Phil, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i think this current thing is just a configuration problem though: i am waiting for demon helpline to get back to me but they are quaffing champagne and fondling doxies and not looking at the blinking lights on their consoles the fuXoRs.

if anyone has any suggestions in the meanwhile?

― mark s, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yes phil i can receive email but not attachments usually, unless coded in a v.ancient way: my eudora acct has NEVER allowed me to access my mail properly, so i have to crack it open with word!! which is ok for the ordinary text and for SOME attachments (you unstuffit the word doc and there they are) but NOT OTHERS (7-bit/8- bit fail as i recall: unfortunately attachment coding is automatic not elective i think

i can easily wait till tuesday and bring it home from work on a floppy (of course my G3 at work has an exernal floppy port which sometimes crashes THAT machine, but that is a different kind of problem). Thank you anyway. I may work this config stuff out tomorrow when it is sparkly morning not bleak midnight.

― mark s, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Even when this problem is ironed out, these other browsers will leave you able to tool around much, much faster. Do have a look, when you get a chance.

By the way, this might be useful to you (or maybe not). It says your proxy is "http://www.demon.net/www/autoproxy" for NS4.

― Phil, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Posted that before I saw your second post. Bringing it home on a floppy sounds like the Good Path -- though you'll want to make sure you have a version of Stuffit that can handle matters. (aladdinsys.com, I think) At worst, Wannabe should still fit on a floppy even if it's decompressed.

― Phil, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

that looks v.familiar: let me restart netscape for the 20th time this evening and we shall see!!

― mark s, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

yay the autoproxy thing is letting me surf once more and maclynx is 10:19 mins away from being unstuffed! thank you thank you! demon helpline i see are still absorbed in their elf-maidens and duck pate orgy, 24 hrs = "oh that's just the name of the shop dearie"

now 7:47 mins away

― mark s, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

maclynx has landed: k-blimey that def needs sparkly morning to grapple wiv

thanXoR phil

― mark s, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

run linux and use:

lynx (text)

links (text)

konqueror (very nice and fast graphics browser)

― Paul Barclay, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

You're very welcome, Mark! If you find MacLynx's interface to be too much of a headache, I'd definitely suggest giving Wannabe (which was here) a try. I definitely use Wannabe more often -- it's mouse-driven, and looks much more like a regular browser -- but its fatal flaw at this point is its inability to fill out forms. Otherwise, it's great, and if it weren't for that one problem, I'd use it for nearly everything.

MacLynx: hit "g" to type in the site you want to go to, and use the arrow keys to jump between different links (left arrow = back, right arrow = forward). Hit page up and page down to, well, page up and page down. Those are the main things, really.

― Phil, Friday, 14 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

the latest Opera (6?) is amazing. have recently converted to it from Netscape 4. IE 5 annoys me in many ways, but too many sites these days are so badly coded that Netscape can't cope and crashes (Netscape 4 obv. v. badly written, too). Netscape is v. slow because it only displays the content of an HTML 'TABLE' object when it has loaded the whole TABLE, and since people started using TABLEs for layout rather than tables of data, this affects most pages

Opera 6 is much better than previous versions, and the configuration and options you can set are amazing. also, it can restore all your browser windows after a crash, is blindingly fast, has nice bookmark system etc. only a couple of annoying points i've found so far - doesn't format XML, and ignores text/plain etc content types (like IE does), but these only affect my programming at work, and not yer average browsing

― michael, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

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