I haven't, but I *feel* like I have....
― MarkH (MarkH), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:40 (twenty-four years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)
Should I read the Hornblower books? I loved the entire Patrick O'Brien Aubrey/Maturin series & "Master & Commander: Far Side Of the World" movie.
― marianna, Friday, 15 July 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)
I want to go to Portsmouth to see the big ships!
― marianna, Friday, 15 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)
x-post, it's fantastic, Marianna. Cannot wait for ep 3.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/totheendsoftheearth/images/450x187/characters_actors.jpg
― MIS Information (kate), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)
― MIS Information (kate), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)
― mark s (mark s), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)
― MIS Information (kate), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)
― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)
― Lucretia My Reflection (Lucretia My Reflection), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)
― Ian Riese-Moraine: the crown prince of understatement. (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)
I was half asleep through the first episode and missed much of the finer plot points that weren't to do with sodomy and religious mania.
Why does Deverell hate Anderson so much? Did not catch that. Suddenly Deverell was offering Anderson out for a duel in Ep 2 and I didn't know why.
― MIS Information (kate), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)
...I don't know the Hornblower books aside from the back that my friend Fr3ya was obsessed with them in High School.
(I think it was her, at least)
― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 15 July 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)
I guess that means I'm going to have to buy the DVD and watch it again. Sigh.
― MIS Information (kate), Friday, 15 July 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)
How weird -- I watched it this morning!
― Ian Riese-Moraine: the crown prince of understatement. (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 15 July 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)
The book is fantastic, so much more layered and dense. And all things are explained... why Deverell and Anderson hate each other so much (D knows the Captain's DARK HORRIBLE SECRET) and much more, oh my...
― MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:07 (twenty years ago)
And will I ever find out what a "Badger Bag" is?
The descriptions of the Captain are fantastic in the book. He never speaks, he only roars and growls and occasionally hisses. (Except for he is around his plants, then he speaks in a "holiday voice".) There are several passages where he is described as thrusting out his lower jaw in order to sink the sullen mass of his face down upon it, glowering through his eyebrows... aaaaahhhhh!!!
― MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:14 (twenty years ago)
― marianna, Monday, 18 July 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)
Though the passage about the change in Captain Anderson when he is in his garden is just too lovely for words.
― MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:13 (twenty years ago)
― MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)
― MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)
― MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 07:23 (twenty years ago)
I've been using my lunch hour to google British Naval Rank (What is the difference between a Captain and a Post Captain? Ah, a Post Captain is an actual naval rank, while Captain is just the title of the person who runs the ship) and nautical terminology (what is the difference between a Quarterdeck and a Poop Deck?) ... and so far the best resource I've found is... a Writers' Resource page for authors of ... Pirates of the Carribean fanfict.
Do I dare? Do I truly dare? I'm not sure I do. Oh my.
Now I need to look up semaphores.
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)
I am definitely going to have to get a copy of TTEOTE (the book).
I used my lunch hour today to read more of Cloud Atlas, which is definitely the fault of last week's discussion in the pub.
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)
Emsk says she will bring Cloud Atlas round tonight. But only if I return Ghostwritten (which I shouldn't because she had my copy of Number Nine Dream for THREE YEARS!!!)
I am just about BURSTING with the significance of Captain Anderson's deep, dark secret. Though I cannot tell anyone who is not actually going to read the book as it is a total spoiler. However, unlike most Deep Dark Secrets, this one is actually Not His Fault so it makes him a far more sympathetic character than his behaviour would indicate him.
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)
(however, one of these is Neal Stephenson's The System Of The World, which is far too big to carry to and from the office all the time)
(arse, I seem to be derailing threads again. Insert more about 19th-century navies here. All that flogging: hott in a kinky way, or just a bit too painful for that?)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)
(But then again, see all those old threads about turning schoolboys my ex over my knee and spanking him with a cane, so what would I know?)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)
― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)
― Forest Perv (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)
― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)
Coincidentally, I have just had a debate with a co-worker about the difference between "perverted" and "kinky".
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)
ANYWAY! Discussion of Captain Anderson, please, not my sex life.
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)
Which one is Captain Anderson, though?
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)
(so there)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)
Sir Edward Heath RIP (85 new answers, 86 total)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)
http://www.navydaze.com/Around%20the%20Horn.jpg
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)
Dark, in terms of character, natch. Captain Anderson is blond and ginger-whiskered as you can see above. (Though actually, in the book it does not describe his hair colour, either! Only that he has massive eyebrows. Maybe he has massive blond Viking eyebrows.)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)
Could easily have been 11 or 12. Also, Banks made more than one major voyage, including one to Norway in 1772. So it could be that one. Does that shave a few years off?
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:06 (twenty years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)
Oh the hottness of his hair sparkling in the sunlight...
http://images.thetimes.co.uk/TGD/picture/0,,210498,00.jpg
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)
Carver is impressed at the way that the BBC has used the microcosmic, claustrophobic world of the ship to explore Golding's recurrent themes of obsession, love, guilt and brutality. "I really feel it gets inside what my father was concerned about. My dad was concerned that Capt Anderson [played by Jared Harris] shouldn't be a cardboard cut-out. He may be harsh, but he is a good captain and the survival of the boat is his first duty. In the drama, we see him not just as an incredibly bad-tempered, vindictive person with a chip on his shoulder but as a companionable man, a person of reasonable bonhomie. My dad admired the Navy because it worked, and to work you can see that it needs people like Anderson."
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)
Awww, he's talking all about how he (Harris) proposed to his fiance. So sweet!
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)
― g-kit (g-kit), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Wednesday, 20 July 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)
I was rewarded last night with the sight of the good Captain Anderson, raised from his slumber by an iceburg, STOMPING ABOUT THE QUARTERDECK IN HIS UNMENTIONABLES.
I am simply overcome with lust.
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)
― Ed (dali), Thursday, 21 July 2005 06:32 (twenty years ago)
(with Richard Harris, not Andy Warhol)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 21 July 2005 06:35 (twenty years ago)
Anyway! What did we think of that episode? Horrible, horrible Benet.
But ah, the Captain had the best comedy moment in the whole series, untintentionally reading the Funeral service instead of the wedding.
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 07:10 (twenty years ago)
― Ed (dali), Thursday, 21 July 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)
It was ironic that Anderson was so taken with Benet, as he was always coming up with new ways (usually involving infernal steam and things) to put the ship at risk. Benet is much worse in the book, with his composing poetry and being unbelievably irritating. Ah well, at least he wasn't as bad as Deverell.
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 07:17 (twenty years ago)
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:20 (twenty years ago)
― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:20 (twenty years ago)
"Captain Anderson is a crusty old seadog. He's not particularly imaginative; he's an isolated loner who isn't good with people - socially inarticulate. There is an interesting ambiguity in all the characters. As it's a first person narrative, the characters aren't necessarily as Edmund sees them.
"Personally, I'm not at all like Anderson, and in fact the only thing I ever captained in my life was my football team, and that was on my birthday!"
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)
― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)
Anyway, who cares about mere actors? I am in love with a Post Captain!
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 21 July 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/totheendsoftheearth/images/450x187/episode1.jpg
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)
This is official uniform of the time:
http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/rn_capt1_small.jpg
Captains who had been in service for over 3 years had white lapels:
http://www.kipar.org/piratical-resources/uniforms/captain3.jpg
While captains who had beenin service for less than 3 years had blue lapels:
http://www.kipar.org/piratical-resources/uniforms/captain4.jpg
Captain Anderson's lapels are blue, ergo he hath been a captain 3 years or under:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/drama/totheendsoftheearth/images/photogallery/340x255/anderson.jpg
(Yes, I am so pathetic. I know it. But still, it amuses me and I am bored and stressed.)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)
Summers' awareness of his own position would make him more likely to run out and get the right uniform immediately.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)
(Actually, it said in the book that my husband's uniform was slightly shabby, so I would accept it of him. But Sir Henry? No!)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)
Often Captain Jack would make a mess of his best uniform (by diving into the ocean in it, or splitting it in some action), forcing Killick to send him out in his second best jacket, which caused him much distress. Poor Killick.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)
http://fotomuveszet.elender.hu/0134/nagykepek/jpg_kepek_013407/01340705.jpg
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Thursday, 21 July 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 22 July 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)
http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0140288961.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
The Command Of The Sea by N.A.M. Rodger - a fine and worthy history of British sea power. (Though not of British Sea Power, nasty leg-breaking brigands that they are.)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Monday, 25 July 2005 07:50 (twenty years ago)
― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 25 July 2005 08:19 (twenty years ago)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Monday, 25 July 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)
Also, they are having a competition to win a place in the Lord Nelson!!! (I would be a rubbish sailor I'm sure, but still.)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/tyne/content/articles/2005/07/14/lord_nelson_feature.shtml
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Monday, 25 July 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)
― Ed (dali), Monday, 25 July 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)
D'oh.
(Would it be really awful to try and convince them that Manic Depression is considered a disability, and since in my mania I sometimes believe myself to be a pirate, it would be very therapeudic?)
― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Monday, 25 July 2005 08:26 (twenty years ago)
― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 25 July 2005 08:30 (twenty years ago)
Why is it that Jared Harris in character = THE HOTTEST THING ON EARTH!!! and Jared Harris as himself in the cast interviews is kind of a weird-looking precious thespian? Damn, actors. I guess that means he's good at the ACT-ing bit.
The first ep was better than I remembered it - especially the Colley "you have made a beast of yourself!" stuff but was actually astonished how much of the book they left out (crucially CAPTAIN ANDERSON'S DEEP DARK SECRET) but still the plot held up.
Mmmmmm, if anyone wants me for the rest of the weekend, I'm unavailable.
― The Brocade Fire (kate), Friday, 30 September 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)
― The Brocade Fire (kate), Friday, 30 September 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)