So what's the best way to learn Spanish?

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Especially if you want to understand the words in salsa, reggaeton, etc.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

I've been thinking about trying the Rosetta Stone language software - it teaches you visually and contextually rather than memorizing grammar (which I suppose comes later?), but it's expensive.

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Whoa whoa whoa 300 BUCKS ON AMAZON.COM?!?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

Instituto Cervantes at Amster Yard 211-215 East 49th Street New York, NY 10017

charltonlido (gareth), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was about $100-125 less than that (still ungodly, but less than I paid for my French language course materials). Are you sure that's Level 1 instead of Level 2?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Move to a Spanish-speaking country.

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

...or neighborhood! I'm thinking about moving to Pilsen for this reason.

deej.., Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Get a Spanish-speaking boyfriend.

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 16 July 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

what G and mary said. dont move to barcelona tho...


ambrose (ambrose), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

Work as a waiter/waitress. The cook will probably be Mexican.

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Ding dong el timbre suena
Tu madre abre, que vieja mas buena
Le digo Hola, Pero no para bola
Que se ha creido vieja chola

Go and serve the food mom
Que tengo ambre
If you don't hurry, me va a dar un calambre
Y usted seor, why's your chin on the floor
Sierra la boca por favor

What's this amor, these little huevos
Esto s que yo no pruebo

I'm used to good 'ol fashioned
Homestyle Spanish cooking
If I try that I'll be puking
Well it's been a pleasure but we got to go
Regresaremos temprano
Cinco, seis, o siete de la maana
Su hija esta en buenas manos

Ô¿Ô (eman), Saturday, 16 July 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

What's your fave South American country? Go there for a learning vacation. Learn Spanish in the morning, then bop around town the rest of the day. Four to six weeks, if you are into it, should get you to a passable level. Plus, it's cheap!

Google "learn spanish in south america."

ay carumba (you better believe it), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

I still have not begun to learn and it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to afford the lessons I want any time soon. And taking a long enough vacation to really make a dent seems pretty out of the question. It can't be that hard to learn though. So much of it already sounds so familiar, and at least my vocabulary is growing (a little).

RS LaRue (RSLaRue), Saturday, 16 July 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Work as a waiter/waitress. The cook will probably be Mexican.

Not too delicately phrased, but OTM for me. I worked as a waiter for less than 5 months and was easily conversational by the end. This was helped by my knowledge of French, though, and an eagerness to learn (never spoke English with the cooks). For understanding the lyrics to songs though, that's a lofty goal. I can't understand anything outside of choruses in the US top40...

richardk (Richard K), Saturday, 16 July 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

There's an excellent disc series "Learn Spanish in Your Car" that helps a lot and perfect for me cos I have a long commute. You can find it used on Amazon for 20 bucks right now, I'll give the URL not to be a shill but it's kind of hard to find the whole 3-part package by searching
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1591252075/102-0093207-2081735?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance.

'go to spanish-speaking country' really is the best crash course, when I visit my in-laws in Guatemala(oh yeah, helps to have spanish speaking wife) i'm conversational within a week but I also get to bug everyone with questions all day, I don't know if it's as efficient if you don't know anyone there. If it's just songs you're after, you might just want to crawl through a spanish-english dictionary when your song comes on, although none of this will help much with the slang and colloquialisms in reggaeton esp.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 16 July 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

I wish I knew.

Cathy (Cathy), Saturday, 16 July 2005 23:49 (twenty years ago)

Well, I don't want to do learn Spanish in any way that involves me having to deal with other people! :)

As for slang and colloquialisms, I figure that once I know the basic outlines of the language, the specific stuff like that will come via context and googling.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:34 (twenty years ago)

Listen to Spanish language news radio. If there isn't a station in your city there are certainly plenty on the net.

As for reggaeton lyrics, I think a lot of those aren't going to be showing up much in whatever textbook you might find..

daria g (daria g), Sunday, 17 July 2005 01:45 (twenty years ago)

I knew how to speak and understand Spanish for exactly four days. I had been in Mexico for five days, and all of a sudden it "clicked", much like it did for Bart Simpson when he went to France.

That said, now I can't even remember how to tell the busdriver that I need a transfer ticket.

I listen to the Spanish radio station, but I can't figure it out since I'm still immersed in the English language. I catch the phone numbers and addresses ([Spanish blah blah blah] Little Rock, Arkansas [Spanish numbers]), but it's not going to happen that I'm going to understand it all while I'm still seeing billboards, business names, and time-and-temperature signs all still in English.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Sunday, 17 July 2005 05:51 (twenty years ago)

come to tucson!!

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 17 July 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

Immersion is really the best way. I had many years of Spanish in high school and university and it never clicked (beyond asking for beer or where the bathroom is) until I started working in an office where most people speak Spanish and where Spanish is often spoken when working with clients. I still choke a little when I speak to native Spanish speakers, due to performance anxiety, but I'm getting much better very quickly.

In the Chicago area there is the Spanish Language Center which offers varying levels of classes in groups and individually. Maybe there is something like that where you live.

Unless you are naturally gifted at languages, it will probably be hard to get actually conversational just listening to tapes, but I think tapes would be a good way to augment immersion/classes.

pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to try the Rosetta Stone software. You can get it on Oink, and tons of languages.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 17 July 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

sign up for teach for america or nyc teaching fellows, and teach in the south bronx. you'll have a room full of reggaeton interpreters.

burna (burna), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:48 (twenty years ago)

I don't mean to be flip, but you will never learn any language without "dealing" with the people who speak it.

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

I'm talking about the initial stages. I figure once I can get sentences out of my mouth, however malformed, then I'll be able to gather the courage to get conversational with Spanish-speaking folks.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, you're going to have to (at some point) go and actually try speaking to people, cos really, that's when your brain realises what the point of learning it is, and the thinking on your feet factor comes in to play. After a while getting things wrong, you start getting them right. It's like magic.

I reckon the best way to learn a language is take a methodical approach and learn a bit about the grammar - the building blocks - instead of taking a vocabulary-based approach (á la Rosetta Stone). Obviously, you'll need to learn vocabulary, but you need grammar to know what to do with it. For the absolute beginner, I'd recommend Michel Thomas' courses, which starts of with simple sentences then builds them up into bigger and more complex sentences, but somehow makes it seem really simple. It's not cheap, but, er, can be found on nefarious file-sharing sites.

scotstvo (scotstvo), Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

I have to say, an integral part of learning another language is making a complete ass of yourself by accidentally saying incredibly silly things around native speakers and then trying to figure out why they're looking at you funny..

daria g (daria g), Monday, 18 July 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

stuff like, embarassada (sp?) means pregnant rather than embarrassed as you might think, and mispronouncing the word for comb, you'll be saying penis.

i'd love to brush up on my spanish, but my attention span is horrible, so i'd have to trick my brain into learning with games or something really entertaining or some such thing.

juliaaa, Monday, 18 July 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

Everybody on the money about learning from a native speaker, visiting or living in the country where the language is spoken,etc. If you do buy a tape/CD/book combo, Teach Yourself or Routledge are usually OK. If they have a Teach Yourself Beginner's Spanish that might be the best way to go. One thing, Michael, that I have found useful in my experiments in language learning is to get a little notebook and write all the audio material down in that book- somehow it helps me focus so I only have to listen to the thing hundreds of times rather than thousands of times.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

Actually, my cousin used and recommended two books called Mastering Spanish and Mastering Advanced Spanish by Robert Clark- no, not the director of Porky's, from Hippocrene Books. But beware, most of the language material from this publisher is beyond awful. I learned a lot from the advanced book, and my cousin advanced even further than me- he married a Spanish woman. I ended up being a testigo at his wedding.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)


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