Romance question: Does "I'm ambivalent" always actually mean "I like you a lot, but honestly, I think I could do better?"

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Being absolutley honest with myself, that's what it's always meant whenever I've said it.

Now it's being said to me.

Is there any other way to interpret it?

Tortured, Sunday, 17 July 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

You've got it right. The other party is just not that into you.

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 17 July 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Dissenting opinions? (Please.)

(Does it help that the person in question is about a year past the end of a bad marriage, and about a month past an unsuccessful post-marriage realationship?)

(Probably not, huh?)

Tortured, Sunday, 17 July 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

theyre either trying to break it to you nicely that they dont like you that way or theyre still deciding if they should just settle for you because youre not bad and youre there. the only course of action here is to fuck their best friend.

sunny successor (he hates my guts, we had a fight) (katharine), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)

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Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

ambivalence = simultaneous attraction toward and repulsion from a person object or action

the person in question could feel ambivalent about you or (perhaps likely post-divorce)ambivalent about "relationships" in general.

in my exp "I'm ambivalent" is often a polite way of saying "I don't give a shit either shit either way."

m coleman (lovebug starski), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:06 (twenty years ago)

Ambivalent about relationships in general: definitely true, and explicitly stated. Also: not a problem, as I am not ready to dive into anything feet-first either.

But: ambivalent about me in particular = not so hot.

There is much sexual chemistry but very litttle sex. It's sort of a "jam yesterday, and jam tomorrow, but never jam today" situation.

I keep lowering and lowering my expectations, yet remain disappointed. I really like this person. I understand her (yup: I'm M, she's F) life is complicated. I don't want to treat what could be a fun thing with more drama than it warrants. But should I cut my losses and get the hell away?

Tortured, Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

ambivalent could just mean ambivalent, maybe there's something in your character as they know it that irks them or confuses them. but people's feelings change. i don't think this "means" any one thing. depends on the person and the circumstance.

the guys of ilx seem so much more emo about this stuff than the girls (me included of course). why is that?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

the guys of ilx seem so much more emo about this stuff than the girls (me included of course). why is that?

The women of ILX are more experienced?

*ducks*

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 17 July 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)

I'm really, really, really experienced at being the ambivalent party. I'm pretty brand-new at being the starry-eyed sap.

Tortured, Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

I've told my friends: "Now I know how all the girls who went out with me felt."

Karmic payback sucks.

Tortured, Sunday, 17 July 2005 23:15 (twenty years ago)

Uuuuhhhhh...

Did someone ask me out this weekend and I didn't notice?

Because I feel like I'm in exactly the same situation as the woman in your dilemma. And if I said I was ambivalent, I would mean "I like you a lot but there is NO WAY IN HELL I can deal with a relationship right now. And I would not be able to do anything but f*ck you up, and I value your friendship too much to do that to you."

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)

Usually with me it's the other way around, i.e. "I like you a lot, but honestly, I think YOU could do better."

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

pitch yourself at their level, or cut your losses. relationships have to be equal really, so if you want to keep this girl, back off, and do a bunch of other stuff as well, let her make the call a few times instead of you always being there. be out doing exciting and interesting stuff

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:20 (twenty years ago)

Kate OTM.

It's not necessarily that ambivalent = "think I could do better", but could (especially given the circumstances) = "i'm nervous of relationships at the moment"

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)

saying or hearing it, marcello? and what is 'better'? is there a slide-rule i should be judging people by and nobody told me abt it?

stevie (stevie), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:34 (twenty years ago)

Mostly I get the "MC, you're so great and wonderful and you deserve someone BETTER than me!" routine.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

if you don't agree, you should convince them of their worth!

stevie (stevie), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:03 (twenty years ago)

I always interpret it as meaning: "MC, I love you AS A FRIEND" aargh.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

I'm ambivalent does not mean "I like you alot".

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

sorry, "I'm ambivalent".

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

I'm ambivalent about what "I'm ambivalent" means.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

Doens't "ambivalent" literally mean two very strong desires pulling in opposite directions?

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:43 (twenty years ago)

That's how I tend to use the phrase.

Hence why I describe my attitude towards romance, relationships, etc. at the moment as "intensely ambivalent". I desperately crave the affection, intimacy, etc. yet never ever ever want to be hurt as badly as I have recently been, ever again. Hence, ambivalence.

Not caring is not the same thing as ambivalence.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

I desperately crave the affection, intimacy, etc. yet never ever ever want to be hurt as badly as I have recently been, ever again.

My view exactly.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

the guys of ilx seem so much more emo about this stuff than the girls (me included of course). why is that?

I think we're all *emo*, but guys feel they can just open up here whereas women do this more *IRL* so don't feel the need to do this here as much maybe? I don't know. It's difficult. If somebody would say they feel ambivalent, I'd ask them to make up their minds because ambivalence is about not being able to make a choice, right?

I desperately crave the affection, intimacy, etc. yet never ever ever want to be hurt as badly as I have recently been, ever again.

Alas love is all about showing you're vulnerable. It's hard...

nathalie's body's designed for two (stevie nixed), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:50 (twenty years ago)

I want the physical affection and intimacy pretty badly but there has to be more than that. Otherwise you end up with the messes of my last two "relationships" - physically great, but zero beyond that.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)

Well, I know that I'm not ready.

Hence why I've stopped really... trying. Just trying to put my life back in some kind of order, feel more confident, lust over fictional sea captains, and then worry about it when it feels more right.

MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

I don't feel that as I am I have any love to give anyone anymore, and that makes me pretty sad. I don't know whether this is a permanent situation, or if it'll fade with time.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

what kate said, though obv in my case substitute "amanda platell" for "fictional sea captains" ahem

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Hang on. Who the hell says "I'm ambivalent" to people trying it on with them?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

I mean, that's kind of weird. Or is this paraphrasing?

Alba (Alba), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

It would be a great chat up line. "Hey baby, I'm feelin' ambivalent today"

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 18 July 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)


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