Battlestar Galactica - Season 2

Not sure what I think of the Cylon-human hybrid baby, it's a plot cliche that's been around forever.

My favorite plotline right now is counting ways Tigh is fucking himself in the ass. If you make it a drinking game

Team A drinks when Tigh drinks
Team B drinks when Tight does something really obviously idiotic (not directly alcohol related.)

You've got a close race.

This and the new Dr. Who are probably the best TV SF that's been on in ages.

Drink twice when it's used as a gerund "FRACKING!"

Oh, it's hopped right over Deep Space Nine to be my favorite SFTV series ever. Not that I've seen 'em all.

Maybe we need a spoiler warning in the thread title?

That's Michelle Forbes (and it's not a rumor - check her IMDB entry). Presumably she needs the work since no one picked up the Global Frequency pilot.

I'm not sure. Boomer, to all appearances, is cylon through and through in all her incarnations. We've seen the orgasmic spine-lights on both versions, so at least both of the ones we've seen are cylon.

2) her pregnant duplicate (Starbuck:"Bitch stole my ride," one of the xpost Hummers eh): is she the mother, and the downed Battlestar guy the father, of the same hybrid baby Gaius thinks is his and his invisible friend's (he seems to think that, but did his friend/guide ever actually say it?)?

Iirc, the line of dialog that Six has is to the effect that he is the father "in a literal sense." So presumably there is more than one hybrid baby. The Boomer/Helo and the Baltar/Six (the, or anyway a 'real' Six, not the imaginary pal version.

Last week - or maybe two weeks ago - Six was dissing humanity to Baltar, saying the only thing that made us unique is our capacity for Murder. This week, Boomer says that the theory about why the Cylons can't make bebbies is they lack the ability to Love. Hence, the special Love-capable model Boomer Cylon. Still, not able to do it on her own - she needs a human partner to fall in love with. Are we to believe that love between Cylons is impossible? Well, except for the self-love that the nuked naked Boomer Cylons talked about in the S1 finale. Remember though, that those are special Love models - mebbie, bebbie, your love is like a radio that can't just send or receive, both are neccesary. And anyway, if all the Love-capable cylons are Boomers, where would the Cylon sperm come from?

This is sorta contrary to the idea of the Farms, though. Although who knows if the Farms are successfully breeding or not?

Dude, c'mon, jump off this Gehry-designed tower and you'll fly.

Okay--so now it's on my Netflix queue.

Wait till you get to the episode called The Farm in season two.

Anyway, some recent ideas/theories:

PEOPLE WHO CAN'T BE CYCLONS*:
Starbuck
Helo

* NB: These predictions only have weight so long as the creators of the show continue to not be stupid-heads and to live up to their own standards. After the rigamarole trying to get Starbuck pregnant, her fighting with Six, fling with Baltar (to Six's dismay), etc, the show would lose a lot of credibility for me if it all turned out to be a super-convoluted plot for Starbuck to infiltrate something-or-other. Ditto for Helo.

PERSON WHO PROBABLY IS CYLON:
Apollo (aka Lee Adama)

This would be the 'cleverer' way to make the prophecy of the crazy captured whispering Cylon in season 1 ("Adama is a cylon") true. Since Starbuck's not a cylon, I bet the reveal happens just after she and Apollo finally hook up, because that will make yr jaw drop. Other good reason Apollo could be Cylon: I don't think he's really done anything that would contradict his being one...

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Okay, so... the President should have died. It seemed like they didn't want to write her out of the show, so they came up with a quick way to bring her back. I don't know what direction it's going now... I imagine Admiral Adama and her will start doing the nasty any time now... but how much cooler would it have been if she would have told Adama about her memory of Baltar and #6 on Caprica right before dying and passing the presidency onto this extremely dodgey mofo? The tension of the show partially fell apart when she died/was resurrected in the course of one frickin' episode! I loved her character, but I think shows should be able to part with key characters.

Episode 14 wasn't bad, as far as a one-off goes, but I'm getting impatient with Lee's character, knowing there is more interesting stuff going on elsewhere.

I won't say for sure that the show jumped the shark with the baby's blood-curing-cancer horrrrrible pseudo-science B.S., but it felt like a shark jump to me. I can't shake the feeling that the Pegasus/Resurrection Ship arc was the last really good batch of episodes this show is going to offer.

Opinions?

(I laughed way out loud at "President Breast Cancer" and now I feel a bit bad. But it's fiction, I'm laughing at fiction.)

The last half hour threw me for a loop. I can't help but thinking they may be pulling a Dallas with the ending, as it really changes the whole show. If it doesn't turn out to be some dream thing with Baltar, I have no idea where they will go from here.

It also seemed the creators may be quickly advancing the entire story line to perhaps be able to conclude the series.

So why are the cylons there? Not to destroy, if we're to believe them. To mate? oooh. freaky. There's going to be fighting for sure. And why did the Callum Keith-Rennie cylon want to see Starbuck? MYSTERIES. They so know how to write a cliffhanger, this show.

what's with the cylon plan? they got the 8 to set off a nike when the humans found somewhere to settle, having secured a nuke for no obv reason some time back. what was with the 6 and 8 "revelation" in that cave in? and why did they all leave caprica in the middle of a fight only to turn up a year later and seem intent on domination rather than destruction?

it all seemed such an anti-climax, followed by a set up for series 3.

which i'll watch of course.

Plus, it could be the most depressing show on TV ever.

And Starbuck is, how you say, way hott.

"A belated, brilliantly re-imagined revival of a so-so 1970s outer-space saga, the series about imperiled survivors of a besieged planet has revitalized sci-fi television with its parallax considerations of politics, religion, sex, even what it means to be 'human.'"

http://sbsun.com/ontv/ci_3676041

SCI FI Channel announced the development of Caprica, a spinoff prequel of its hit Battlestar Galactica, in presentations to advertisers in New York on April 26. Caprica would come from Galactica executive producers Ronald D. Moore and David Eick, writer Remi Aubuchon (24) and NBC Universal Television Studio.

Caprica would take place more than half a century before the events that play out in Battlestar Galactica. The people of the Twelve Colonies are at peace and living in a society not unlike our own, but where high technology has changed the lives of virtually everyone for the better.

But a startling breakthrough in robotics is about to occur, one that will bring to life the age-old dream of marrying artificial intelligence with a mechanical body to create the first living robot: a Cylon. Following the lives of two families, the Graystones and the Adamas (the family of William Adama, who will one day become the commander of the Battlestar Galactica), Caprica will weave together corporate intrigue, techno-action and sexual politics into television's first science fiction family saga, the channel announced.

Hmmm.

No one warned me Lucy Lawless was going to be a character. Xena the Warrior Journalist, ten thousand points.

"But he's only two!"

I will watch this new series.

I'm only partway thru the first web of the next season, so i'm not posting there yet.

> No one warned me Lucy Lawless was going to be a character.

i saw her name in the opening credits but didn't twig she was the reported until 30 minutes in...

a friend's been visiting who hasn't seen it, so I've been re-watching various episodes from season 1, and it's pretty eye-opening... the politics of the show seemed pretty clear-cut lefty the first time through, but I really had blinders on, I can totally see why this has so many fans on the right, it's pressing all the buttons. season three seemed like a culmination of the whole show's point to me, but now I understand why the nu-caprica plotline brained so many people

Is it me or is season 2.5 kinda haphazard? There's a lot of "oh no Lee is in trouble - oh no he is depressed - nah he's cool - oh no he's been shot - nah he's cool - he is demoted to private - no he is a major" etc., and it doesn't hit that hard. Then again maybe I just watched the episodes too fast.

I agree that not killing Roslin was kinda lame, even if the show would be hurt by not having her scenes. And Gaius was kind of infuriating all season, except when he was trying to rehab/get with the cylon on the Pegasus.

I complain but I'm still into it. And it gets better from here, right? Right?

i yaaaaawned through his unsurprising actions at the end, and the totally stale "broke his girlfriend's heart on Caprica, in soft-focus" shots.

Yeah but lol @ preppy Lee

Yeah I've certainly thought a lot about how the show gets me vs. my own real-life views about the military etc.

they all die!

and now it's like (sigh) i guess the bomb will be used to destroy Pegasus or something... I guess Sharon will turn against the humans. i guess the lame resistance subplot (with cylon helper) will become significant instead of really boring.

were false.

yeah, i hope they don't pull the Love Boat thing that the original did where they need a new guest star every week, one who promptly gets iced by the end of the episode.

still, adding dean stockwell to the cast was great.

this show is frackin rad! (abt halfway thru S2 atm)

This show went downhill reeeeeeeeeal quick.

yeah you might as well stop watching now imo

The first 3 or 4 of the third were pretty good IIRC.

ya. hit a massive wall after that.

well shit..

it's hard not to watch the whole thing after making it over half way through tho. i watched it to the end and was angry, sad, confused, hungry and angry all at once after making it through the last episode.

am about halfway through season 3 and I think you can pretty clearly pinpoint when this show went off the rails as being immediately after the end of the New Caprica arc. the whole of Eye of Jupiter thing is nonsensical and riddled with plotholes, people's motivations and characterizations (especially Baltar) become hopelessly obscured and convoluted... ugh

yeah i think thats when we gave up on it

They're not as bad as everyone says. Razor is definitely worth it, and the last two seasons still had a great moment here and there - but yeah, clearly drops around season 3 time. People tend to forget that the first two seasons had some dead spots too, though.

yeah, I can forgive the water-treading moments & bridge episodes thusfar - imo an unfortunate byproduct of showrunners being expected to sustain full-season (20+ episode) serial dramas. I definitely think the comparatively clean, concise, 10-13 single-season model has proven to be the most appropriate vehicle for this sort of thing.

Razor is definitely worth it

lol

i don't know if this has been mentioned itt before, but in season 3 there's a subplot about another saboteur on the ship, hinting that tyrol is another sleeper agent -- then in season 4 it turns out tyrol was a sleeper agent, but couldn't have been the saboteur, wtf???

sorry pillbox that should have been SPOILER'd

lol thankfully I saw the second post first

People tend to forget that the first two seasons had some dead spots too, though.

yeah, there are but they're pretty concisely restricted to single episodes (lol Adama + prostitute episode) and don't really impact the central storyline. once the New Caprica thing ends all this bullshit starts pouring out and going in a thousand different directions. there are still good bits and moments (mostly with Baltar) but focus is definitely lost