Is Cambridgeshire in East Anglia?

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I would say Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex, North-East Cambridgeshire and South East Lincs, i.e. the soggy parts.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 27 June 2001 03:15 (twenty-four years ago)

four years pass...

AQA to thread!! here is my 28p ---->

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

who decides where east anglia is/was? it is not in the atlas!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

(see, I could do this)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

east anglia = norfolk + suffolk + essex + cambridgeshire + ???

or is it not related to county boundaries?

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

i wish i could think of a reasonable argument against, but i can't...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

Yes.
(see, I could do this)

Has to be AT LEAST 120 characters, I'm afraid - add some interesting info about the area.

― For We Must Remain Anonymous, Monday, 18 July 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

rutland to thread

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

East Anglia
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Norfolk and Suffolk, the core area of East Anglia. Cambridgeshire is to the west and Essex to the south.

East Anglia is a region of eastern England, named after one of the ancient Anglo-Saxon kingdoms, which was named after the homeland of the Angles, Angeln in northern Germany. The kingdom consisted of Norfolk and Suffolk but the region's boundaries are vague. It includes the counties of Norfolk and Suffolk, with part or all of the pre-April 1, 1974 Cambridgeshire. Some people include Essex, and a small part of southern Lincolnshire bordering The Wash. Some of the area is characterised by its flatness, consisting of fenland and reclaimed marshland, though much of Suffolk comprises gently rolling hills. East Anglia forms part of the East of England administrative region.
Arable farming and horticulture have proven very successful in this fertile country. The landscape has been heavily influenced by Dutch technology, from the influx of clay pantiles to the draining of the fens. It has a wide range of small-scale holiday destinations ranging from traditional coastal resorts, through historic towns such as Bury St Edmunds, Cambridge and Ely to the modern holiday villas of Center Parcs set in Thetford Forest. The military constructed many airfields during World War II and a few of these remain in use. One, near Norwich, has become Norwich International Airport, a civilian airfield to serve the city.

The Norfolk Broads, now part of The Broads National Park, form a network of waterways between Norwich and the coast and are popular for recreational boating.
The University of East Anglia lies a few miles west of Norwich. Norwich is one of the largest cities in East Anglia, but the East of England regional assembly is based in Essex.

History
The Kingdom of the East Angles, formed about the year 520 by the merging of the North and the South Folk, was one of the seven Anglo-Saxon heptarchy kingdoms (as defined in the 12th century writings of Henry of Huntingdon). For a brief period following a victory over the rival kingdom of Northumbria around the year 616, East Anglia was the most powerful of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms of England, and its king Raedwald was Bretwalda. But this did not last: over the next forty years, East Anglia was defeated by the Mercians three times, and it continued to weaken relative to the other kingdoms until in 794, Offa of Mercia had its king Aethelbert killed and took control of the kingdom himself.

The independence of the East Anglians was restored by a successful rebellion against Mercia (825 - 827), in course of which two Mercian kings were killed attempting to crush it. On November 20, 870 the Danes killed King Edmund and took the Kingdom, which they named East Anglia (see Ivar the Boneless). The Saxons retook the area in 920, only to lose it again in 1015-1017, when it was conquered by Canute the Great and given as a fiefdom in 1017 to Thorkel the High.

Much of East Anglia (including parts of Cambridgeshire, Lincolnshire, west Norfolk, and Suffolk), consisted of marshland and bogs until the 17th century despite the construction of early sea barriers by the Roman Empire. During the 17th century the alluvial land was converted into arable land by means of systematic drainage using a collection of drains and river diversions.

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

rutland to thread

Rutland *could fit* on this thread.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

yay Ivar the Boneless!! Kate to thread!!

haha Thorkel the High

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

so where is West Anglia?

i feel a uk-ilx controversy brewing (cf city of london not part of london etc)!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

There isn't a West Anglia, is there? We have an East Anglia, the Ford Anglia, and that's it.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:53 (twenty years ago)

Nor is there an Easthampton or a Westhampton - presumably long since submerged, Atlantis/Canute-style UNLESS YOU KNOW DIFFERENT

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

Why and when did St. Edmundsbury change its name to Bury St Edmunds?

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

the other hamptons floated off across the sea to long island

according to my TIMES ATLAS of the WORLD there isn't an east anglia, hence there IS a West Anglia, we just don't (yet) know where it is.

Ireland = Atlantis as any fule kno, so I propose Lyonesse!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

I have a feeling that this was mentioned in a book I was reading recently. I'll look it up when I get home.

(I'm fairly sure it was just something to do with changing word order in English)

*everywhere* was Atlantis according to somebody. It feels that way, at least.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

St Edmundsbury is the borough and Bury St Edmunds is the town, afaik
xxpost

― beanz (beanz), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/anglia-man/images/anglia-man.gif

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

also St Edmundsbury is the cathedral

(this wd be a See-vs-Diocese-vs-Bishopric-style ecumenical question)

(i hope)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

East Anglia Master Thatchers Association disssenting lobby:
http://www.eamta.co.uk/East%20Anglia%20Map%20Transp.gif

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

oh, i bishopric
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

yes it is. the map is wrong!
― N_RQ, Monday, 18 July 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

~~Bah.~~

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

My lame joke backfired.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

west anglia is/used to be a train company or something.

― N_RQ, Monday, 18 July 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

I am probably wrong, but I thought that Anglia as a whole included Cambridgeshire/Huntingdonshire or whatever (though certainly NOT Herts) but that East Anglia was just Norfolk and Suffolk.

However, I am often mistaken on these sorts of things.

― MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:06 (twenty years ago)

every map i found by image google is different!!

WHO DECIDES!!?

i call on this man:
http://www.elyonline.co.uk/images/hereward/hereward_head.gif

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

King Raedwald to thread.

(the "Sutton, Who?" chap)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

uh oh:
http://www.normanconquest.co.uk/images/hereward_exist.gif

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

This is going to provoke a worse conundrum than the "what countries are in Scandinavia" debate, isn't it?

― MIS Information (kate), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

http://www.pembers.freeserve.co.uk/405-Lines/Anglia_Knight.jpg

I wouldn't Diss him if I were you.

― NickB (NickB), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

his sword was called brain biter and his horse was called swallow
http://www.normanconquest.co.uk/images/hereward.gif

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

Be careful what you say about him - mind Yar mouth!

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

(I do like his crazy dance moves)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

i don't think there's such a thing as 'anglia', but i can say i) in cambridge the local news is called 'look east', ii) everyone in cambridge considers themselves to be in east anglia -- but maybe people from norfolk disagree. there is intense anti-fen sentiment in cambridgeshire. cf

Alan: I’ll tell you what. You farmers, you don’t like outsiders, do you? You like to stick to your own.

Peter: What do you mean by that?

Alan: I’ve seen the big-eared boys on farms.

Peter: Oh, for goodness’ sake.

Alan: If you see a lovely field with a family having a picnic, and there’s a nice pond in it, you fill in the pond with concrete, you plough the family into the field, you blow up the tree, and use the leaves to make a dress for your wife who’s also your brother.

― N_RQ, Monday, 18 July 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

There weren't any West Angles, but there were Middle Angles

― RickyT (RickyT), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

Manglia?

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

The Middle Angles tended to be a bit obtuse, incidentally.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

"In a west-end town, it's a dead-end world
The east-end boys and West Ang-les"

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

ph34r hereward's acute reflexes!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

hang on....that map above seems to put Hertfordshire in East Anglia!!!
i know that administratively herts gets lumped in wit hthe east of england a lot, eg part of the East of England arts thingy, and er...some other examples of how it is considered in the east, but surely its not part of "East Anglia"??!?!

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

East Anglia and Anglia are the same things. Herts, Beds and Bucks are all in Anglia too.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

take it up w.the massed thatchers, ambrose!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

dog latin has raised the stakes here. i don't think bucks is in EA. no way. no goddamn way!

but this raises a further question: where is oxford?

― N_RQ, Monday, 18 July 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

Where is it then smartypants?

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

oxford is in lemuria

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

QED:
http://www.io.com/~hmiller/jpg/lemuria.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

Is that the new Animal Collective?

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 11 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

David Essex: "We're going up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire!"

Son of Essex: "Why?"

David Essex: "'Cos it's great!...Can you see all the trees? What colour are they?"

Son of Essex: "Erm...green...because that's the colour of Thunderbird 2!"

David Essex: "You're right! You're absolutely right."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 18 July 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

I take an empirical line on this. Observation based on my annual trip to Norwich by train from Scotland tells me that Cambridgeshire is flat and shit. Therefore it must be part of East Anglia.

― alext (alext), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

that's the thing, though: suffolk is relatively hilly, heathy, next to cambridge, but that's defo part of EA.

― N_RQ, Monday, 18 July 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

Does that David Essex thing mean anything, or is it just pure madness?

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

Listen punks, I live in North Hertfordshire, the University of East Anglia is about 20 minutes away and I get Anglia TV. So sit on it.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

I think East Anglia starts at the traffic jam in Thetford Forest.

Cambridge is Anglia, I reckon. East Anglia must, geographically speaking, be the sticky outy bit.

Oxford used to be on Midlands Today. Oxford United used to be on Star Soccer.

Tim, I wish I could answer your question, it is very sensible. Thing is, I used to know, but I've forgotten.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

http://www.nhscareers.nhs.uk/nhs-knowledge_base/data/966.html

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

university of warwick to thread!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Listen punks, I live in North Hertfordshire, the University of East Anglia is about 20 minutes away and I get Anglia TV. So sit on it.
Take that bitchez! *makes East Anglia gang sign to DL*

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

i think that recently oxford's local news is south today or something -- which also covers s'hampton/portsmouth.

― N_RQ, Monday, 18 July 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

nhs trusts = yet more bogus norman impositions on proud breedling heritage

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

all the southern ports are phoenician/lemurian colonies

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

they sailed the oceans to cornwall to mine the tin for their foil hats

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

nhs trusts = yet more bogus norman impositions on proud breedling heritage
-- mark s (mar...), July 18th, 2005.

nhs trusts: no-one in the hs knows what a 'trust' is or which 'region' (these shift boundaries with the seasons) they belong to. and lo the five counties was broken by milburn the high while i worked there.

― N_RQ, Monday, 18 July 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

WILD EDRIC SEZ:
reconvene the heptarchy and drive the norman dog into the (rising) sea

http://www.bbc.co.uk/shropshire/features/valentines/images/stipelstones.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

that's the capital of west anglia btw

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Stevenage.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

i am west-mercian born
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/Image519.gif

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

I am still imagining the East Anglia gang sign.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

keep orf moi lahnd!
http://www.jtwinc.com/clannad/robinhd.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Did you have to go on pilgrimages to Tamworth castle?

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

I am still imagining the East Anglia gang sign.
-- Tim (hopkinsti...) (webmail), July 18th, 2005 3:47 PM. (Tim) (link)

Think Tweenies.

― Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

I was thinking more of right thumb up left nostril, roughly forming the shape of the region, with tongue sticking out of the right side of the mouth, symbolising The Wash.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 18 July 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

:-(

― PinXorchiXoR (Pinkpanther), Monday, 18 July 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

technically speaking in Government terms East Anglia doesn't exist, it's this instead:

Government Office for the East of England

East of England
http://www.go-east.gov.uk/goeast/our_region/272094/eastenglandkf/

The East of England contains ...the six counties Bedfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Norfolk and Suffolk.

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Those six counties constitute an illegitimate statelet.

― Dave B (daveb), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

East Angular? What country's that in then?

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Re: Those six counties constitute an illegitimate statelet...i wonder why this statement was made !

MK dons = illegitimate club in a pseudo govt regional quango/ dept

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Monday, 18 July 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

So, Ed, does the boundary shift depending on rainfall (like the Midwest and the Great Plains, or the Plains and the Desert)?

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

"In a west-end town, it's a dead-end world
The east-end boys and West Ang-les"

(Quoting this so its brilliance will be remembered.)

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 02:52 (twenty years ago)

Not rainfall, but fenland and former fenland.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

The Fen men were variously called "Fen Tigers", "Slodgers", "Camels" and "Yellow-Bellies". No Fen man washed his feet if he could help it, he believed the practice was weakening.

However, the Fen men are now called the Red Socks (result of not washing feet).

― Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)

Why has Ed fallen through a time-hole into 2001? Is it the gravitational pull of the flatland of Anglia?

And sailboats sailing through the marshes with only their topsail showing?

― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

The whole board had a bit of a timewarp last night.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 07:29 (twenty years ago)

East Angular? What country's that in then?

It's in Foreign, isn't it?

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)

east of england does not = east anglia.

how do you make that "not equal to" sign anyway?

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

≠

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

(which is typed ≠)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 08:40 (twenty years ago)

does west anglia = wales?

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

scotland = north anglia?

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

which leaves south anglia to be spain

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

The more you post to this thread ken, the Anglia I'm getting

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

non angli sed BLOODY LIVID

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

note to self: stop making latin and/or greek jokes on ilx OR ANYWHERE ELSE you fathead

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

No no, I laffed out loud. And the Head of the Department gave me a funny look.

― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

Classics or Duds

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Risu inepto res ineptior nulla est.

― Sam (chirombo), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

pro patria mori

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Semper Ubi Sub Ubi.

― Rum, Sodomy and the LAN (kate), Tuesday, 19 July 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

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