Londoners: Madonna insults you

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MADONNA says Londoners are lazy. "I can't believe how people
don't like to work," she told msn.com during a live chat the
other day. "I'm renovating a house right now and the work week
starts at noon on Monday and ends at noon on Friday. I'm a bit
spoiled. I'm used to people in America working 7 days a week.
It's highly irritating. They leave work at 5 and there are
bank holidays every minute here. When you hire an employee
here they remind you that they get four weeks paid vacation."

Kerry Keane, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why are you reading new answers when you should be working?

Kerry, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, but that's builders for ya! She's lucky they turned up at all...Builders usually put off the job for months, turn up at 11 and leave at 1, come back for 20 mins or so in the afternoon...and then leave at 3. They are usually working on 3 different jobs at once. She ought to stop bitching, some people just don't know when they've got it good.

"I can't believe how people don't like to work" this statement makes zero sense to me.

james, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Popstars talking about hard work = unemployed talking about hard work.

DG, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

haha this is why i LOVE england: we are just entering the GRATE XMAS SHUT-DOWN. Before I die I hope GXSD has hit the TWO- MONTH mark: currently it = c.three weeks.

mark s, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DG is correct. Madonna criticizing builders is like Princess Anne criticizing coal-miners. Absolutely pathetic.

the pinefox, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

In the case of Madonna DG, that statement doesn't exactly ring true. She strikes me as workaholic to the point of obsession. Which doesn't give her license to hold others to her own standards, true, but yours was not an accurate statement nonetheless.

Kim, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Care to duel pinefox? Come on now. I am not her greatest fan by any means, but you two are speaking as if she were born into privilege or as if she's done nothing to merit what she's got. She used to work at Burger King for fux sake.

Kim, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But does she work at Burger King NOW? No.

DG, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't give a monkey's where she's been. She's mega-rich, and the spectacle of such people attacking people who are presumably, whatever this means nowadays, working class people, would be odious if it wasn't so silly.

the pinefox, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yeah, that's what we need to do is more work. It's good to live in fear of not being able to live unless you work like a dog to make someone else rich. Way to go, Madonna. I bet Madonna worked real hard at all those restaurants before she got famous. Not.

Nude Spock, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

pinefox, we are talking about builders here!!

on a related note, did any else see bob monkhouse being interviewed on the benny hill bio-doc: where he said that it was no longer "politically correct to refer to people as working class", and so instead referred to the kind of girls bh favoured as "factory girls"?

this is as good as the doc i once saw on edward heath which said heath had had a hard time in the tory party when young because of his COCKNEY ACCENT?!?

mark s, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

To be clear, I'm not defending her lobbing criticisms. It is pretty crass. I'm just saying that it's neither accurate nor constructive to say that people who have money couldn't possibly understand hard work.

Nude Spock, I don't know, maybe she did, maybe she didn't. Fact is she's not there now and it's not as if being rich was something that just *happened* to her, so obviously she has worked hard somewhere along the line.

Kim, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Heath's accent probably was cockney-ish: Kent working-class grammar schoolboy, son of a carpanter and a domestic servant etc. His background didn't count against him in the '65 leadership contest as the Tories were stung from class-carping over aristo Alex Douglas Home ('the 14 th Earl of Home' Wilson used to sneer).

John Major's accent must have gone very upwardly-mobile if his brother Terry is anything to go on. Meantime the accent of Fettes college boy Blair slips a few notches towards 'Estuary English' with every passing year.

stevo, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Madonna may have worked hard but I bet she has more than four weeks holiday a year.

RickyT, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Americans reading this should note that Madonna's comments are entirely accurate and that you can hop on a plane to this paradise ANY DAY YOU LIKE.

Tom, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

How bloody boring. Madonna becomes middle-class whinger SHOCKA. Funny, last week she was endorsing the nouveau-riche American's struggle to impress the British upper classes. I can't wait until next week when she goes dahn the dahgs with Guy.

suzy, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Madonna can just piss off. she stopped being good years ago anyhow.

katie, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Inspired by watching League of Gents last night, I move that we form a MOB HORDE and burn her Local Castle for Local - HOLD ON! she's not LOCAL!!! GET HER, TUBBS!

Sarah, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Music" = my fave madonna record by some way; this complaint = top way to look silly and petty; mockney for dogs = "dogz" surely

mark s, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Only if the dogz are boyz.

suzy, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

actually i really do passionately hate her latest tune efforts. sorry mark.

katie, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

(ps by "this complaint" i meant madonna's up-thread, not katie's which i haf obv heard a lot, from everyone: i fink m gets bettah as she getz oldah, but am accepting of my minority mentalist endangered status in this)

(pps katie getz bettah as she gets oldah too obv)

mark s, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

aww, Mark *blush* bless ya!

katie, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hold up[ though - isn't Madge spot on here. British builders do fuck all work. That's why we have TV programmes on constantly called "Builders From Hell". That said the latter part of Maddonna's argument - that it is in someways obscene that we get four weeks paid vacation should be more a matter of the Brits have got it right. Is Britain with its "less than the American number of bank holidays" but four weeks paid holiday any less productive that the US in industry? The sweat shop mentality must die (to be replaced by the sweet shop mentality).

Pete, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i am so very hurt by madonna's accusations that i will literally not be able to do any work today.

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

She can go fuck herself, frankly. It's all a bit of a non-argument, though - Americans work longer hours than Brits, and have a 50% higher standard of living ON AVERAGE. Presumably if half of America is made up of Amish and inbreds, then the other half must be fucking coining it in. But we're happier because a) we have more free time to enjoy and b) because there isn't some massive "American Dream" YOU ARE LUCKY TO BE AN AMERICAN sword of Damocles hanging over us all the time, like how it's obligatory to have a good time on New Year's Eve.

Ahem.

Mark C, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Still, all this whinging shows she'll really getting the hang of how to act like a Brit.

Mark C, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Madonna should get on the Eurostar and check out Brussels. She'll never whinge about Londoners again.

Jeff W, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I would hate to be a builder working for Madonna, you'd be hankering after a cup of tea wiv 20 sugars luv and she'd bring you some herbal nonsense with so-called 'soy' milk. I'm not surprised they knock off early, they have to go to a decent caff.

Emma, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I love the way the British react to any criticism of their poor little piss-hole. (Julie Burchill voice with all consonants removed) "Go back home if you don't like it!" Madonna is right, people here dislike working, probably due to the fact that asking somebody to do anything, even for money, is seen as a flashpoint for the class animus that everyone draws on as a substitute for anything in their heads.

dave q, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Plus, everyone knows the only reason to get rich is so you can order thickos around. Everyone loves the workers, but would you want to hang around with workshy, beer-swilling louts all day long? Fuck 'em.

dave q, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

She also is starting to look like Smeg Matthews. Eurgh.

suzy, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dave Q : WE'LL HAVE NO TROUBLE HERE!!!!!

Sarah, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

oh look it's DaveQ the voice of reason.

that's irony, folks!

katie, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

That's more sarcasm, isn't it? Or is that Alanis irony? (Alirony?)

And given our proclivity to visit this board in lieu of working, shouldn't we all just hush our mouths, too?

David Raposa, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

sarcasm is a form of irony.

yeah we probably should be getting back to our jobs, however like Alan i am too traumatised :)

katie, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Hey careful, some people haven't got jobs round here. How's did you meeting go Kodanshi?

Pete, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

unfortunately i have now done some work. damn. i'll try again later in the week. tea anyone?

Alan Trewartha, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Okay, I don't get it. I mean A: she's right, Americans have a different standard of work then Europeans, which isn't to say either way is wrong or right but American bosses EXPECT people to work like dogs until they're on the verge of passing out, whereas in Europe people are actually given good vacation time and decent working hours. Plus, builders are just lazy fucks to begin with (no offense to builders reading this), especially unionized ones. B: It's very well known that she's a workaholic, everyone around her claims she sleeps about 4 hours a night and is constantly working. She IS running her own recording label i.e. corporation, you know. I don't understand the criticism of her (true) comments, or the idea that being famous = doing fuck all all day.

Ally, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

A very good friend of mine is involved Maddie's renovation project - the reason she works so bloody hard in the first place is because she spends over two hours dithering over the positioning of a rug.

Us Londoners aren't lazy, we simply get things done quicker.

Trevor, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Out of interest how many Public Holidays are there in the States? Is Madge right?

We have 1 Jan, Good Friday, Easter Monday, May Day, Whitsun (Both in May those two), August Bank Holday, Christmas and Boxing day. = 8.

Pete, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

we have the least per year in Europe don't we?

Madge is running her own record label yeah, but it's one that's leaking money left right and centre so she can't be doing it all that well.

chris, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Yet I bet she takes home a tidy salary...

Mark C, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I quote like being insulted by Madonna.

N., Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Madonna's talking out of her ass. But how would she know what the holidays are anyway? These are the Federal holidays: New Years Day, Martin Luther King, Jr.'s Birthday, President's Day, Memorial Day, Independence Day, Labor Day, Columbus Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. And that's not counting state and city holidays.

Kerry, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

But unless you're a federal employee or a union member, most workers don't get federal holidays off. There are even businesses that will either be open or operating at Christmas.

Nicole, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Well, that explains all the parpy noises on the last two LPs then!

suzy, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Kerry's right but those federal holidays don't equal paid days off from work. Private sector companies don't usually give MLK day, President's day, or Columbus day off to employees.

Re: madonna. I'll quote Kenny: "Madonna's an anreoxic old whore who wore out her welcome mat years ago and now she speaks with a British accent and should go fuck herself."

Thank you.

Samantha, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i can't believe how people like to work

, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

it's almost as if they haven't got better things to do????

chris, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Here in the U.S. most people "work" because the hourly wage hasn't caught up with inflation and labor rights have declined----hence the two income family and latch key children.....so called upper middle class are struggling and cannot currently afford the summer house; most average americans would LOVE european vacation time and are tired of the material girl.........J

JayJones, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"a 50% higher standard of living ON AVERAGE". This statement baffles me, for some reason. I don't understand what it means.

Ally C, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I still don't understand all the anti-Madgism. As I understand it, you pay somebody to do something, you sort of want it DONE, right? Or does everyone in the UK consider paying for services equivalent to buying lottery tickets?

dave q, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"As I understand it, you pay somebody to do something, you sort of want it DONE, right?"

Right - but as I explained before, this is NOT what dear old Madge does. She pays somebody to do something (ie. renovate her mansion) then clogs up the entire process by insisting on consulting her feng shui expert every five seconds about the positioning of a vase.

I think it's then a bit rich for her to complain that the process is taking too long.

Trevor, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

bad feng shui is bad feng shui

mark s, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Got some good Turner Prize gossip last night. Madonna, at the party, did not hang with the hoi polloi, instead preferring to sit in the Constable Room with Stella fucking McCartney. She summoned Richard Billingham to meet her in there, just to tell him she really had hoped he won. R asked for an autograph, for Georgia, his dealer's 10 year old daughter. Madonna: 'usually when people ask me for one of those, they have pen and paper.' R did his usual 'who, me?' little-boy-lost look as Madonna went scrambling around to find these things and finally coughed up the goods.

She must be driving those builders absolutely crazy.

suzy, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

exactly. all builders want to do is knock some stuff down and put it back up again and drink 30 cups of sugary strong tea while they're at it i.e. THEIR JOB. sure, builders often take a hell of a time actually doing this, but the fussings and primpings of a spoilt little madam aren't going to hurry things along any. she's in Lahndon now, not some "motherfucking" beauty spa.

katie, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Am just now reading a book called Bubblegum Music Is The Naked Truth (Tom Ewing, your name's fair all over this one) and by far the best essay in the book is by Peter Bagge, who talks about shopping for Spice Girls/Britney with his daughter. And calls Madonna Scrawny Gym Rat.

suzy, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Dunno, the American way, where once you pay somebody you basically own their ass, seems to be more democratic than here, where you can only get something done if you know or are related to the person, which seems more like Albania to me. Believe it or not, sometimes you want something done for entirely non-evil reasons, and it's depressingly inevitable that people are going to take it as yet another opportunity to thumb their nose at the very idea of assisting anybody. Goes against their solidarnosc, or something.

dave q, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Suzy, I thought it was okay-ish, that book. But yeah that bit about the dad going to shop for Cleopatra records for his dauighter and himself was tops!

helenfordsdale, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ally, the average wage in the US is something like 30,000 pounds (not dollars) and in the UK it's £20,000. And everything is far cheaper over there. 50% may have been miserly.

Also, there are obviously huge problems with poverty in bits of the US, but then there are here too.

Mark C, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

poverty among builders however NOT SUCH A MAJOR PROBLEM!!

(perhaps i am being unfair here: the builders who reroofed our block of flats VERY NEARLY landed us with a multi-million pound lawsuit wiv our neighbours thanks to not bothering to stick to the scaffolding agreement THEY SIGNED - if we had lost the case i would have lost my flat; that summer = closest i ever was to a nervous breakdown)

mark s, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I suspect that the average wage, though, is driven up by the number of very wealthy people we have here in the U.S. I believe that our income gap is greater than that in Western European countries, but I don't have the stats in front of me. 50,000 dollars is a lot of money to a lot of people over here - I only know one person who makes that much, the bastard.

Kerry, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I've not had much experience with builders, but I must be very lucky with handymen.

Got our 1950s Prestcold fridge fixed during the summer (on one of the hottest days) and, despite being much more of a palaver that the fellow was expecting (I'd stabbed a freon feed with a chisel while defrosting; but this aging monster required much more restoration to the compressor to get it working again), and taking him an entire appointment-filled afternoon, he didn't charge me any more than his phone quote.

Had an Ikea kitchen unit with Bristan taps plumbed in last year by a lovely laid-back fellow who chatted about jazz and reggae over milky tea. The taps were missing a part, which meant a second visit to complete the job and, again, no additional cost was incurred.

And then there's the heroics of our removal men last September, who worked like *fuck*.

I suspect Madonna's builders are taking the piss because it's Madonna.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I suspect Madonna's builders are taking the piss because they are builders - and that's what they do. And this isn't just a British thing (look at previous Ally whinges on this subject).

Pete, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think Madonna needs to be reminded of when she got fired from the Dunkin' Donuts in Times Square for playing with the jelly machine. Her highness forgets what it's like to work for wages.

Samantha, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

all the builders i've ever worked with have been lovely. all you have to do is be polite and make them lots of cups of tea, which i am always willing to do! i think maybe it's the being polite thing which Madge has the prob with. her maid can make the tea.

katie, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

six years pass...

Ha ha ha ha, and again

chap, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:10 (seventeen years ago)

How would one regulate this 'aspiring musicians not having to pay taxes' idea, I wonder. If someone can knock out an e minor down the job centre they're let of the hook?

chap, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:13 (seventeen years ago)

so that's who that crazy tramp on the tube was

blueski, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:13 (seventeen years ago)

Very Bay City.

Nicole, Friday, 28 March 2008 01:14 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.music-videos.duncans.tv/images/madonna-train.jpg

James Mitchell, Friday, 28 March 2008 05:49 (seventeen years ago)

Whole of London = "shut up, when do you ever get the Tube?"

Matt DC, Friday, 28 March 2008 09:41 (seventeen years ago)

That's why i never get the tube anymore, fed up up of seeing Madonna's leathery old face in the seat opposite

Tom D., Friday, 28 March 2008 09:45 (seventeen years ago)

Madonna won't be voting for Ken Livingstone - surely she won't be voting for anyone, since she's still a US citizen AFAIK?

Colonel Poo, Friday, 28 March 2008 09:46 (seventeen years ago)

Madonna doesn't have to live here. If America's such a paradise and Britain is so crap, why doesn't she go home?

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 28 March 2008 09:48 (seventeen years ago)

...in fact, Madonna is better placed to live anywhere in the world she likes than 99% of the popn.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 28 March 2008 09:49 (seventeen years ago)

Like aspiring musicians can *afford* to drive a car in London?

Actually, I don't know that you have to be a British citizen to vote. My Canadian bandmates were all able to vote - they were on the electoral register because they were paying council tax.

*UNLIKE* "No taxation without representation" America, of course.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 28 March 2008 09:51 (seventeen years ago)

Madonna is better placed to live anywhere in the world she likes than 99% of the popn.

Perhaps Malawi? She seems to like their children well enough.

Tom D., Friday, 28 March 2008 09:55 (seventeen years ago)

Madonna doesn't have to live here. If America's such a paradise and Britain is so crap, why doesn't she go home?

-- Grandpont Genie, Friday, March 28, 2008 9:48 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lol logic of racism

banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 09:58 (seventeen years ago)

xpost re Canadian bandmates - Canada is still in the Commonwealth right?

Colonel Poo, Friday, 28 March 2008 09:59 (seventeen years ago)

I.e. you have to be EU/Commonwealth citizen to vote.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 28 March 2008 09:59 (seventeen years ago)

It's like the Boston Tea Party never happened

Tom D., Friday, 28 March 2008 10:01 (seventeen years ago)

that seems dumb. surely if you pay any sort of municipal taxes you should have a say in who decides how they're spent.

Upt0eleven, Friday, 28 March 2008 10:03 (seventeen years ago)

i think u get sent voter cards on basis of paying council tax? it might be legally iffy but i'm sure non-citizens in practice can vote. it's not like they ask for a birth certificate or whatever when you're put on the system.

banriquit, Friday, 28 March 2008 10:06 (seventeen years ago)

Not in my borough. They don't even use the same database for addresses.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 28 March 2008 10:08 (seventeen years ago)

I know this cos I had to phone up and complain cos they sent a blank form to the house rather 2 forms for the 2 flats. I said don't they know who lives there from the council tax and they said no it's a different system.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 28 March 2008 10:09 (seventeen years ago)

We could teach Robert Mugabe a thing or two about electoral fraud!

Tom D., Friday, 28 March 2008 10:11 (seventeen years ago)

Non-EU peeps who pay council tax can vote in council elections and for the mayor but not for an MP. (I think.)

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:03 (seventeen years ago)

Not according to the London Elects website.

Colonel Poo, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:03 (seventeen years ago)

This is what happens when you marry a Tory Boy.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:04 (seventeen years ago)

Madonna needs to STOP and THINK.

Does she really want to step onto that rally stage and link hands with Jimmy Tarbuck, Matt Willis and legendary UK squash champion Jonah Barrington?

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:05 (seventeen years ago)

Does Dave Q still live in this "poor little piss-hole"?

stroker ace, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:06 (seventeen years ago)

At last, a candiate we can all get behind!

http://www.nigelhaversalliance.com/

Masonic Boom, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:14 (seventeen years ago)

Yo Poo - my block of flats was actually visited by council foax who were signing people up to vote - this was about two months ago. They said I could vote for Hackney council elections but not for an MP.

But yes, the London Elects site makes it seem that I can't vote for the mayor.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:32 (seventeen years ago)

Yeah it seems to say you can't get on the electoral register if yr not Commonwealth/EU citizen - I'd have thought you need to be on that to vote in any elections including council elections. Council employees not knowing what the fuck they're on about shocka maybe? Or they just don't really care if you're legally allowed to vote but in more important elections people more likely to check (still not very likely)?

Colonel Poo, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:37 (seventeen years ago)

I wonder how many council employees are Commonwealth/EU citizens.

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:38 (seventeen years ago)

Sounds like something Boris might say

Tom D., Friday, 28 March 2008 11:49 (seventeen years ago)

I wonder how many council employees are Commonwealth/EU citizens.

97,841.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 28 March 2008 11:54 (seventeen years ago)

Is Nazi Boris actually registered to vote in London or only in his constituency of Henley-on-Rhine?

Dingbod Kesterson, Friday, 28 March 2008 12:05 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/31/nato.usa

the pinefox, Monday, 31 March 2008 21:59 (seventeen years ago)

"An ageing pop diva is not an excellent analogy for Nato. What they need is a go-get-the-bad-guys, Rambo-meets-Arnold Schwarzenegger approach," he said.

i.e. "we want sixtysomething MEN not fiftysomething WOMEN."

A better analogy for NATO is the fact that it nearly spells NAZI.

Dingbod Kesterson, Tuesday, 1 April 2008 09:49 (seventeen years ago)


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