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― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

g-d rich people!

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

g-d a-holes!
(i just wanted to say that. and mean it.) yaaaay for our new thread.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

It has that new thread smell.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

I'm just bitter right now because this one lady I work with is SO ANNOYING. She grew up with money and loves to tell little stories about it. Like, apparently, when she was 10 her mom said to her and her brothers and sisters, "My darling children, I have done everything within our means to get you everything you have ever asked for. Is there anything that you ever wanted that I didn't give you?" And so they all made lists and she cried and said she'd been a bad mother and gave them everything they'd asked for. Great story! The same lady said she thinks one of the realtors should be fired because he can't afford an Armani suit. How can he expect anyone to respect him?

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

again, g-d rich people!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

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― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

is that woman for real?!?! i cannot fathom people like that actually exist. i am in denial!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

These threads grow up so FAST. *sniff*

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

One of my favorite things since moving to the city is comparing the "rich people" of my home town to the "rich people" here, and realizing over and over what a bunch of self-important, spoiled fucks both groups of them are. Which is worse, the small-town rich folk or the big city rich folk?

xpost kelsey: They're all too real: there was a family whose kids I grew up with that did the same thing.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

I love that touching story about her mother buying her love. I'm so moved.

Personally, I prefer Jamie Fox's story about his grandmother beating him.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)

sarah, maybe you should tell that annoying co-worker that you had a bad mother b/c she never gave you things. tell her in GREAT DETAIL about the things she never gave you (but list things that you might like now. how about a new amp, for example [i have no idea if you need/use one]). let her take pity on you & let her show you that buying you things = love. let her love you, sarah.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

is anyone else sick & tired of seeing/hearing/breathing ads for "the situation" with tuck3r carls0n? it's so overly advertised, i assume the show must suck.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

i've never heard of this show.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

xxxpost to myself

Has anyone else noticed that the CTA buses and trains are hot spots for public child abuse? Who screams obscenities at a six-year-old and repeatedly smacks the shit out of them in public? This isn't loving discipline, it's humiliation. And it's always the women who can't control themselves. The dads are always Cool Dad, and the moms are Psycho Beating-The-Shit-Out-Of-You Mom.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

x-post
I have a friend whose dad used to insist that she and her 3 bros. get ~$250 dollars worth of Christmas presents each, since he didn't have anything growing up and wanted to change that for them. But of course he made her mom shop for them all and then berated the mom when she bought the wrong things. I can't even imagine having that much money.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

i've never heard of that show either. but i am sick of rich a-holes and people who beat their kids in public and private.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

kenan, i think that's too much of a generalization. i've seen dads being total assholes to their kids.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

i heard the ad at least twice this morning on npr (brought to you by...) & have had a couple of pop ups for it during my workday. it's bananas!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

I'm kinda glad I don't use public transport.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

Or go to Walmart.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

me too. xpost to both

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

it usually seems to be poor people who beat their kids in public.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:03 (twenty years ago)

Yeah because the rich ones buy their silence.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

or their mouths are stuffed with cotton candy and shetland ponies so they can't act up.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

it's an interesting phenomenon actually.

why is corporal punishment (what we might consider 'abuse') more commonly accepted as a tool of child-rearing among lower-income families than among middle- or upper-class families?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

"That was how my pappy raised me, he didn't stand for no sass mouth..."

Maybe it's all they ever knew?

― dan m (OutDatWay), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

...and rich people send their kids to psychologists -- it's cultural, isn't it? i'm no sociologist, but it seems more cultural than economic. doesn't it?

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

It's cultureal to the extent that people with little money engage in a different kind of culture. But even accepting that a well-placed smack might be effective punishment, screaming "SIT YOUR ASS THE FUCK DOWN" on a bus is kinda crazy by any standards.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

I'd rather see a parent shout that at a child than strike them or appease sociopathic behavior.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

i grew up middle class & spanking was a punishment that my parents didn't really shy away from. i knew friends of mine who had parents that would hit/spank them with objects (i.e. a wooden spoon) & no one really looked down on this. later, in college (a school where quite a few people had a bit of money), i realized that some people's parents had taken other "disciplinary" measures...like sent their kids to boarding schools or institutions that were like boarding schools.
i don't know. i have a hard time with generalizations today, but i don't know whether physical punishment is more acceptable among certain economic groups or not. is it possible that the richer they are, the quieter they'd be about it? or, the richer they are the less they'd actually be involved with child rearing?
my thought is that most people nowadays aren't pro physical punishment. then again, i'm just a white girl who doesn't really know a whole lot.

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I am guessing education plays a part here, so I would guess it's both cultural and economic. Either way, abuse is abuse and I have seen much of it on the #66 bus.

― Sparkle Motion's Rising Force, Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

i think it is cultural and economic, insofar as those two things are inextricable. has a lot to do with tradition, but also with education, and i suspect different sorts of stressors.

xxpost

i find myself trying not to judge the way people interact with their kids, unless there's some obvious abuse going on (often that happens when the parent appears to be drunk or high). maybe that's PC in some fashion, i don't know.

i find that a lot of people (from chicago especially) seem to think this is a racial issue, but i think it's largely a cultural-economic issue which often, in day to day terms, maps to race.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

yeah, and the person who shouts that would probably shout it at me too, if i were in his/her way. someone who shouts something like that has no regard for the social contract.

i think rich people are more prone to acting in a fashion that implies, "here, YOU deal with it." handing their kids off to someone else for discipline, etc.

i don't know shit about shit though, being childless and also an only child. i didn't really need to be disciplined because i hid from people.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

also i am talking out of my a**. there are probably statistics on this. attitudes toward corporal punishment as a tool of child-rearing, i mean.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

anyway eddie cantor tells a good joke about a guy slapping his kid in public that i wish i could remember in full.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

i grew up middle class & spanking was a punishment that my parents didn't really shy away from.
Me too. I actually preferred my mom's house slipper to my dad's hand. He hit harder. But they both only ever hit me on the bottom, traditional spanking stylee.

Another woman I work with is about to have a baby. She has a 24-hour live-in nurse lined up for when she brings the baby home, even though her mom will be staying with her to help her out (& she has a loving husband in the pic too).

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Well then, I guess she'll be back at work after a week?

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

this reminds me of caitlin o'flanagan -- have you guys ever read any of her stuff? she used to write for the atlantic monthly but now i think she writes for the new yorker. she would go on and on about the indignities of working class women right after admitting that she 1) worked from home and 2) hired a nanny for her kids. every article she wrote made me want to scream.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

too many cooks in the kitchen!!!

― kelsey (kelstarry), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

"in the pic"??

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

oops. it's just caitlin flanagan. but i still can't stand her.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

CF wrote this article in The New Yorker all about her 2 week vacation in Hawaii and how it was so annoying that their hotel was far away from the beach so her kids didn't want to walk anywhere in wet clothes and bitched and moaned about private time and the price of cocktails and so next year they went to the Dells and stayed in a hotel with a built in waterpark and the kids were much happier. Um, go to Hawaii with your husband for your couple-y vacation, ask the kids what they want for theirs.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 21 July 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Nobody can stand her. I know Jessa can't. And I think I remember the exact Atlantic article you're talking about. Why anyone would let such a prissy little ninny write about women's issues is beyond me. Surely she's not the only woman in the room. Or is she?

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

so next year they went to the Dells and stayed in a hotel with a built in waterpark

Kalahari!! I pass that place every time I drive to Minneapolis. I totally want to go up there to get drunk and go down waterslides.

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

I read something about how she was "at a dinner party" with an atlantic editor and this person said "caitlin, you have such an original voice, you should write."

so she did. just like that. it's nauseating.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 21 July 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

i don't trust anyone who has never changed the sheets on her own bed.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 21 July 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

That's probably what someone told Sarah Vowell too. Only they meant it in a "get your awful voice off the radio" sort of way.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 21 July 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

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― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 21 July 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Sarah Vowell was writing before she did radio.

I don't really like her that much anymore, but I once did quite a bit, so I still feel defensive of her.

― jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 21 July 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

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I'm investigating delilah's. If anyone has any other suggestions feel free to throw them out there.

― deej.., Friday, 29 July 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

That Delilah's deal sounds awesome! ...could you bring a band, ya think?

― giboyeux (skowly), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Sounds like this planning could get out of hand. I recommend keeping it simple. Burn some cds, invite everyone, party. Simple easy fun.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:57 (twenty years ago)

http://www.delilahschicago.com/gallery/upstairs.jpg

It looks a bit more bar-ish than I was envisioning. But it could work. I'd prob. have to see it up close.

― deej.., Friday, 29 July 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Wooohooo payaday! That magical day that comes but once a month when a nice woman from HR comes and gives me a check, and I marvel at how large it is. That is, until I look at the amount of money witheld, and realize how much I have to pay for rent and bills. Suddenly, the check seems much, much smaller, and I long for the next payday to come.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Well, it's definitely a bar. In fact, there's an actual bar counter to the right of the frame.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 29 July 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah of course, i want it to have a bar! I think it should have a dance club atmosphere tho too.

― deej.., Friday, 29 July 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

i see...delilah's is probably not your place then, i fear. no dance club atmo there.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

what about liar's club?

― kelsey (kelstarry), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Liar's Club anyone?

xpost: kelsey, we think alike...

― dan m (OutDatWay), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

and idea for music, that would be simple would be to have everyone burn 30 min mix cds. As many as you like, but one that you really want to play. Everyone gets to play their one, and then the rest are put on.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

jeff, i don't know that you want to allow me to do that...

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

sure! that is what would make it fun. and 30 minutes is a great amount. Just enough where you can make your songs known but not wear out your welcome.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

of course, mine is just going to be one track off Sheer Hellish Miasma

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

You could make enough copies of your mix to go around, then everyone could leave with a bunch of cds as party favors!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

Hm, I'm pretty sure Gravitar has a 20 min+ song or two...

― dan m (OutDatWay), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

The prob. with that jeff is its a good idea but what ends up happening is there's totally no flow to the music and its all very stop start. Its better usually to have people submit stuff ahead of time and have one person put it all together (in my experience). Or to just get a DJ. Or to take turns DJing. I donno theres tons of stuff we could do! But if its like randomly Master P (my CD) and then randomly Outhud it doesnt (neccessarily) work well.

― deej.., Friday, 29 July 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

Iguess we just have different vibes in mind, depends on what the vibe of the crowd is really.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

sparetimechicago.com is a restaurant group and they will rent out their facilities for parties. I only know this from seeing a flier in the bathroom at one of their locations and then looking on line back when we were entertaining places other than the Hop Leaf to have our wedding reception. Maybe something there is more of a dance club kind of place.

If you're hoping for more dancing than standing around and talking then I think the DJ/continuity idea is good.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

I know what you mean jeff! I don't dislike the democratic ideal of the everyone-is-a-dj thing at all, but it needs to be tied together at some point or its just a check-out-this-cool-song party instead of an i'm-having-so-much-fun-dancing party.

― deej.., Friday, 29 July 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

I do like check-out-this-cool-song parties too though! We should do both at some pt.

― deej.., Friday, 29 July 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

drake, you fascist.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 29 July 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

See you tomorrow, Chicago!!

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

Loop lunch FAP: I'm in the loop for two morning meetings on Monday. If anyone wants to get together for a bite of lunch, let me know. Preferably before Monday since I won't get a chance to be on line after people get to work. Or call me on my cellular telephone. Or tell me on Saturday night. Or all three.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

Heil DJs!

― deej.., Friday, 29 July 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

count me in for lunch, yenny!

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

WHOOP! What time and where?

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

Are we seeing anyone else tonight except kelsey?

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

jenny - how about we meet on the (de paul) corner of state and jackson at 12:16? we can debate about the exact time tomorrow night, between sets. you've got my numba.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Word booty.

I believe we're going to stay in and watch movies and eat ice cream tonight. Or at least, I will be eating ice cream.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Friday, 29 July 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to a friend's gallery opening at some place on Lake St.

― dan m (OutDatWay), Friday, 29 July 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

Is it already time for a new thread? I know it feels like it's only been a week, but I don't like to let these things run much over 1000 posts. Maybe Monday morning.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Friday, 29 July 2005 22:09 (twenty years ago)

hump

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 30 July 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

hey y'all. i leave on wednesday, so if anyone can think of an evening in-between to get drinks and say goodbye (maybe in andersonville?) let me know.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Saturday, 30 July 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

We'd be down, but it has to be after 9, cause Jenny works till then. She will coordinate.

― Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Saturday, 30 July 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

I will? Any night you want, Ammmmmmmmmmmmmmma.

― pullapartgirl (pullapartgirl), Saturday, 30 July 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

where you goin? what's this about leavin? i haven't even met you yet.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Saturday, 30 July 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

Jesus H. Christ.

As much as I share the noize dude enemy list with Orbit, I now completely understand everyone's frustration with her. I just spent an hour on the phone with her, during which I did my bit of whining, as I do. And then she did her bit of whining, during which she attacked a fair number of people that I like, and made insanely irrational arguments against them, and when I argued in their favor, refused to budge on any point. It's like she's some kinda ass-stupid superhero, totally impervious to the intelligence of others. It was like nothing else I've ever argued against.

"But you have to understand, these people don't know you. You can't let it get to you like this."

"Yes I can."

"But they're not your friends. Why do you care so much?"

"Because they lie about me."

"I don't quite believe that, but let's assume that they do. Who cares if they lie about you?! They don't even know you!"

"You don't understand. They lie."

"But they're not even real people, Orbit. They're on the internet. At least half of the reason they pick on you is because you let them get to you so badly."

"But they lie."

"You're not listening. That's not the point."

"But they lie."

"I don't care if they do. No one does. Your dignity is more important here. You have to to let this go."

"They lie."

"But we're past that. Or I thought we were. Look, stop acting like a freak, and they'll stop being assholes to you."

"But why do they hate me?"

"They don't even know you. These are a bunch of incorrigible nerds we're talking about. They pick on anyone they sense weakness from. Stop caring so mucyh, and FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP BEING SO DEFENSIVE, and they'll leave you alone."

"But they lie."

*sigh*

I think I ended this exchange, which went on for much longer than this, by saying, "You have succeeded in exasperating me as much as you have everyone else on the board." This was the truth. She hung up on me. Good riddance. She's a nut.

So that's what I did tonight. I learned to dislike someone. I'm not sure this means progress for me as a person.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 31 July 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

why do you talk on the phone with people you haven't met in person? especially someone like that? weird

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 31 July 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

I've talked to orbit on the phone before, and found her stories interesting and her demeanor pleasant enough, which is why I defended her on other threads. She seemed rather nice. But get her talking about ILX, and it all gets very personal and painful and -- pardon my saying so -- insane.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 31 July 2005 03:55 (twenty years ago)

you both need to chill, it's a fucking interweb message board

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 31 July 2005 03:57 (twenty years ago)

I know. Believe me, I'm Captain Mellow compared to this girl.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 31 July 2005 04:00 (twenty years ago)

I'm upset by this. I don't like to think people can be crazy.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 31 July 2005 04:02 (twenty years ago)

Um... shit. I'm not one to talk, am I?

Shit.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 31 July 2005 04:03 (twenty years ago)

New thread!

Chicago X

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 31 July 2005 04:13 (twenty years ago)

Kenan
With friends like you, who needs enemies? Was this really called for? What was your motivation for posting this? What are you trying to accomplish? Did it ever occur to you that from my point of view YOU sound insane , too? The difference between us is that I didn't see fit to post a private phone convo to ILX. Got to hell, Kenan.

― Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 31 July 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)

http://www.opt.pacificu.edu/ce/catalog/11466-PH/xanax.jpg

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Sunday, 31 July 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

Yeah.

― Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Sunday, 31 July 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

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― Johnny tsai, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 04:45 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Johnny!!

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 04:47 (twenty years ago)

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