By TIMOTHY WILLIAMSand SEWELL CHANPublished: July 21, 2005New York City will begin tomorrow morning randomly checking bags at subway stations, commuter railways and on buses, officials announced today in the wake of the terrorist bombings in London.
Transit Union Hires a Security Trainer This is the first time the city has undertaken such a security effort of this scale on the commuter transportation system.
"We will be instituting random searches of bags and packages as people enter the transit system," Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly, adding that the city is consulting with its attorneys to formulate a plan. "We're going to do it in a reasonable, common-sense way."
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Mr. Kelly said that the focus of the searches will be the subway system, but that the Police Department would reserve the right to check passengers' bags on buses and ferries as well. Officials said they would take pains to avoid racial and ethnic profiling.
"We live in a world where sadly these types of security measures are necessary," Mr. Bloomberg said.
The announcement raised concerns from some quarters about protecting New Yorkers' constitutional right to privacy.
"The police can and should be aggressively investigating anyone they suspect is trying to bring explosives into the subway," said Christopher Dunn, associate legal director at the New York Civil Liberties Union. "However, random police searches of people without any suspicion of wrongdoing are contrary to our most basic constitutional values. This is a very troubling announcement."
The threat level for the city has been orange, the second highest. since the terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001, but police officers have not previously searched the bags of mass transit passengers before - even after a firebombing on a subway station in Lower Manhattan in 1994, a deadly sarin gas attack in the Tokyo subway in 1995 and a foiled plot to bomb the subway in Brooklyn in 1997.
Bags are occasionally checked during large events, like the annual New Year's Eve celebration at Times Square. Bags have also been regularly checked since the World Trade Center attacks at museums and professional sports events.
Officials at the Metropolitan Transportation Authority said internal discussions about random checks had been going on for several weeks - before the bombings of subway trains and buses in London on July 7 and again today. No one is believed to have been killed in today's attacks in London, but the first series of bombings in that city killed 56 people and wounded 700 others.
"It was something that had been discussed for several weeks," M.T.A. spokesman Tom Kelly said in a telephone interview.
Police spokesman Paul Browne said that during a meeting at Police Headquarters this morning, police officials decided to start the random checks, which police officials have discussed periodically for the past three years.
"In light of what appeared to be the continuing nature of the attacks in London, the decision was made to move to this next step," Mr. Browne said.
M.T.A. officers will also carry out checks on commuter rail lines, including the Long Island Railway and Metro North.
Mr. Kelly acknowledged that the random searches were without precedent, but added that he hoped riders would not consider the actions an inconvenience.
"We're going to alert our passengers on the subways as well as the commuter rail lines that their packages are subject to inspection," he said. "It's a safety issue. People don't consider any measures that you take for safety to be an inconvenience. This is New York City."
Kareen Fahim, Shadi Rahimi and Jim Rutenberg contributed reporting for this article.
― Boring Satanic Space Jazz (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)
― Boring Satanic Space Jazz (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)
Meaning we're going to search wheelchairs and white old men, just so it doesn't look like we're racially profiling people.
― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 21 July 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)
― mcd (mcd), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)
― Boring Satanic Space Jazz (sexyDancer), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 21 July 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)
I hope that Bruce Schneier (http://www.schneier.com/blog/) does a piece on how this is crazy security theater in a few days.
― lyra (lyra), Friday, 22 July 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)
is it time to accept racial profiling?
― vahid (vahid), Friday, 22 July 2005 01:49 (twenty years ago)
― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)
shadi rahimi (but not jim rutenberg) has his bag searched = i'm cool with that.
― vahid (vahid), Friday, 22 July 2005 02:15 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 22 July 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)
1. made no sense, in english
2. illustrated to me that nobody actually cared, least of all the folks who presumably have a few milligrams of clout in such a situation
I mean we are discussing weighty items, some visible (looked like blackberries?) and some not (folded under brown paper) and this dude is like "shibba losn fund, babooba shibba train runnin fabba looba losn fund, take off" and then I throw it in the garo BAAAAJE. After resuming my L train passengership I am greeted with a number of stares from my fellow humans that counterindicate my feelings of sanity- since then I have been hesitant to a fault, on all mass transit, including the Metro I take every day for work and school, to actively attempt to resolve a suspicious bag situation.
Despite the fact that I have been trained by the intelligence community of the USA to, you know, be keen on that shit, and I kind of can't help it.
And I wasn't there to save Liz, or anybody else, because I live in the worng city.
And it hurts, because I know what I should do, but I'd look like an asshole and a fucking psycho if I did it.
― TOMBOT, Friday, 22 July 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 22 July 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)
Instead of blanket profiling, if the NYPD absolutely needs to do this (which I very strongly disagree in), they should use some of the techniques that are supposedly used by Israeli airport security, ie looking for people who seem way to nervous, are over dressed, or whatever. That's at least halfway smart profiling. Racial profiling is never going to work and I hope that this country never accepts it.
― lyra (lyra), Friday, 22 July 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)
I know what you meant, but this is a great slip.
― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 22 July 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 22 July 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)
― lyra (lyra), Friday, 22 July 2005 03:33 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 22 July 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)
I'll tell people on my train car tomorrow morning if you do it tomorrow morning.
I'll tell them all that I'm scared and I want to know what's going on.I'm gonna do it. You dare me. Be a good fucking neighbor, that's what we all should've been doing from the start.
― TOMBOT, Friday, 22 July 2005 03:37 (twenty years ago)
Listen, you fucks, i stuck around this messageboard for three years because I liked so many of you, show up, search your fucking neighbor this morning, because hey, they're your fucking neighbor.
― TOMBOT, Friday, 22 July 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)
― TOMBOT, Friday, 22 July 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 22 July 2005 04:45 (twenty years ago)
http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=3639
One of the better articles I've read on the economics of racial profiling.
― Cunga (Cunga), Friday, 22 July 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)
But I mean, this thing was the size of furniture. We're not gonna stop anyone with a fucking backpack, I don't care how many Barney's bags we search.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 22 July 2005 06:15 (twenty years ago)
― Ed (dali), Friday, 22 July 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)
― TOMBOT, Friday, 22 July 2005 06:59 (twenty years ago)
― shookout (shookout), Friday, 22 July 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)
hypothetically speaking, of course.
― W i l l (common_person), Friday, 22 July 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)
― W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)
― W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)
― The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)
― The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)
― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)
― The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:25 (twenty years ago)
― W i l l (common_person), Thursday, 18 August 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Thursday, 18 August 2005 04:19 (twenty years ago)
I do not really look like a terrorist.But I am still more frightened than ever while riding NY transit.
― Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 18 August 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)