Tell me about Guatemala; also, general travel-related topics

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So I just wrote a huge post about this, but it got "Bad Request"ed into oblivion. So here's the condensed version.

I'm going to Guatemala from mid-August to mid-September. I'm going alone. I plan to go to a language school in Xela/Quetzaltenango for the first two weeks and travel for the remaining two. My only definite travel destination is Tikal. I'm totally open other than that. I figure I'll plan it out once I'm there.

Who's been there? Any hotel/hostel/market/city/village/language school/restaurant recommendations? What should I avoid/not bother with? My budget is low, but I'll spend a little extra if the situation calls for it.

It's the rainy season. Will a light raincoat suffice? Will jeans be fine? Will my Saucony Jazz running shoes be fine if I go hiking, or are boots necessary?

Important question: Do chicken buses have bathrooms? I'm thinking this will be my primary mode of transportation, and the last thing I want is to be stuck on a bus for hours with diarrhea while a pig is snuffling in my ear.

Any Guatemala stories and/or pics would be much appreciated. Please share!

Lingbertt, Friday, 22 July 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

I spent some time in Guatemala a couple of years ago. I suggest you avoid the capital unless you enjoy polluted Latin American cities. If you're flying into Guatemala City, head straight to Antigua. It is a pristine city of colonial architecture, the best place to study Spanish and full of other travellers. Not quite the real Guatemala, but full of charm.

You can get to Tikal from here (and don't miss it), either overland by bus or (more relaxing) fly. Flights are about $100 return (check this) and there are endless companies organising structured and independent trips from Antigua.

Other destinations I would recommend are Lago Atitlan. Base yourself in one of the villages and catch the ferries around the lake. You'll meet the modern day Maya here. The mix of Mayan traditions blended with Christianity is fascinating. The village of Chicicastenango is also worth a visit on market day. All the colour and bustle of Latin America.

Guatemala isn't huge and if you get time, try side trips out to Belize or the Yucatan in Mexico or down to Honduras. If you're basing your trip on Mayan history and wish to see the main sites, e-mail me and I'll let you know some more details.

As for your comment about chicken buses. A chicken bus is simply an old American school bus painted in lurid colours and used by locals until it becomes a wreck. There are no toilets on board, obviously. If you're used to luxurious travel, I suggest Guatemala isn't for you.

If you want more details, e-mail me. I don't want to clog the boards up. As a guidebook, the Rough Guide to the Mayan Countries was pretty good and Lonely Planet is also useful. For background reading of Mayan history (but written with a travellers eye), try Among the Maya by Ronald Wright. One final tip, if you want to see modern day anarchy, get out to Todos Santos.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 22 July 2005 07:32 (twenty years ago)

what Mikey said, basically. My wife is a 'chapina' and I've been there for two short visits. Her peoples live mostly in Guat City and the surrounding areas but the other destinations mentioned are breathtaking, and even the city has its charm as well as its dangers. If you fly to Tikal you'll probably stay in Flores, a tiny island in a huge lake with scads of cool hotels and bars, and probably my favorite place there. Tikal is majestic, obv., circumstances didn't let me enjoy it as much as I should have(don't carry too much shit up there!) Panajachel is the largest city near Lake Atitlan, (which Mikey neglected to mention is absolutely gorgeous, bordered by 3 huge volcanoes) lots of young tourists and young Guatemalans mix there, it's a blast - especially on a holiday, where you have to dodge flying firecrackers in the street - and there's a glut of indigenous children in traditional garb selling trinkets. Not too far from there, there's a town(I forgot the name, my wife's sleeping) with a quasi-catholic shrine to San Simon where the faithful trek to make offerings and be cleansed(by being spit on with grain alcohol and beat with palm fronds, pretty cool).
If you go to Antigua(you must go to Antigua) the wealth of (mostly Spanish)cultural history will be readily apparent but make sure to peek around the Casa Santo Domingo, a 15th century monastery half-converted into a 5 star hotel but largely kept intact, they have museums with both antique and modern Guatemalan work and ruins on the grounds you can explore. And I know you're on a budget, but for a 5 star hotel, it's very reasonably priced...We justified it by calling it our second honeymoon and it was more than worth it.
The main thing you have to focus on is haggling, if you're not used to it already. It's appropriate and expected for most street vendors but also for some hotels and even some restaraunts, where there's direct competition(as in people yelling for you to come in). Retail shops, I'd say it's about 50/50, in the tourist areas especially there's always a 'gringo' price, where my wife comes in handy. You will eat lots of Pollo Campero, the best fast food fried chicken anywhere (we also got oneLos Angeles, and I hear there's a new one in Glendale! woo-hoo!) and drink lots of Gallo, the official beer(official as in they must fucking own the country, you will not go 10 feet for lack of a Gallo ad) and not bad at that.
My wife has floated the idea("jokingly") that we should move there where I can surely find work as an English teacher, and if I didn't have a good job here I'd consider it sooner rather than later, perhaps I'm romanticizing but there's definitely a wonderfully different rhythm of life there in general, but then there's also widespread poverty, disenfranchisement and corruption that means desperation, murder, kidnappings and all that shit is never too far from view(just in the last year my mother-in-law has been carjacked and kidnapped and my brother-in-law, a military officer, has been carjacked with my niece in the car, the city especially just gets worse and worse). Such is life, though, I definitely want to get some land there sometime in the future. I'll maybe post some pictures later. I hope you love it.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Friday, 22 July 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the info guys. Antigua and Lago Atitlan are definitely on the itinerary now.

Mikey, you mention that Antigua has some of the best language schools, but it also has tons of tourists/backpackers. I've heard this too, and that's why I've chosen to go to Xela. Xela apparently has great schools and fewer tourists. I really want to learn Spanish (I already have a basic understanding. I've taken Spanish courses up through Level 6, so now I want to practice practice practice), and the fewer English-speakers there are around, the less I'll be tempted to get lazy and speak English. Has anyone been to Xela?

Also, Mikey, re: chicken buses, my concern isn't luxury, my concern is shitting my pants! I have no problem sharing a bus with livestock. But I have this paranoid fear of coming down with diarrhea on a long bus ride with no bathroom in site. As long as the bus makes multiple stops, I should be fine. I haven't seen anything written about lack of bathrooms being a problem on the buses, so it must not be a big deal.

I'd really like to climb a volcano or two. I hear/read that you should go in a group and/or with a guide if you plan to go volcano climbing because otherwise there's a much greater chance you'll get robbed once you're in a more remote area. I've read about the tourist police, who's sole function is to protect tourists. I guess you can actually request that one of them come along with you at certain tourist areas. Kind of a bizarre thing, though understandable considering all the tourist dollars that come in. Has anyone dealt with/used them? How different are they than actual policemen?

Also, disease. I've just spent a shitload of money getting vaccinations, so I think I'm pretty much covered on that front. I just need to get some mosquito repellant and malaria pills. Though a friend of mine just came back from Guatemala, and she said she didn't really bother with malaria pills and most vaccinations and never got sick.

I'm going to buy a guide book this weekend. Probably the Rough Guide. I've already gotten the Lonely Planet guide from the library, but it'd be nice to have my own book.

tremendoid, i'd love to see some pics. also, Mikey, I wouldn't worry about clogging the board up. I don't think anyone is going to come down on you for writing a lot. Clog away!

Lingbertt, Friday, 22 July 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

I did language school in Quetzaltenango. I can't remember why I chose it. I think because it appeared to be cheap and authentic. I didn't love Antigua--lots of foreigners seemed to congregage on the square. it was very pretty but beyond that.... However, I'm sure it would have been different had I lived there instead of visited. I stayed at one home for three weeks and traveled for a week, I think. I can't remember the name of my school. Besides the fact that they forgot to pick me up at the bus stop and I had to find my way to dirty motel in the middle of the night, they were okay. My teacher was really good. I might advise to stay at a bigger, more well known school, that way you will meet more people. I went to Tikal, and Honduras. I wish I went on to El Savador and Nicaragua. I would really encourage you to do that if you have time. Will you do a home stay? The family I stayed with were very nice.

I was sick about half the time I was traveling. Not sure you can avoid it. I also stayed/traveled in Mexico and I was sick for a lot of that time. Then I didn't really take many protective measures. Have fun! This lovely wuy with a Guatemalan passport came into the library today and he wasn't speaking any English and I could barely talk to him in Spanish. I was so ashamed. Might have to take up studying again.

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 23 July 2005 01:11 (twenty years ago)

I have been to Tikal and Flores and really it was one of the best times of my life. I spent a night on top of Templo Quatro! Talk about amazing experiences. We were told to bribe a guard but he just smiled and said, "hey do you want to sleep up there?" I was naked with 6 other people at 5:30am when the sun came up. Man, I really was a hippie back then.

However, I was with a group of students from the US so not sure I got the 'real' Guatemala. However, on the way to Flores from Belize at our hotel we were up on the roof smoking weed and a guy from the hotel came up with a gun and scared the wits out of us. Oh well.

mcd (mcd), Saturday, 23 July 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

>Important question: Do chicken buses have bathrooms? I'm thinking this will be my primary mode of transportation, and the last thing I want is to be stuck on a bus for hours with diarrhea while a pig is snuffling in my ear.<

Just as a headsup: developing nations don't typically have drivers of the same caliber of those in the Western World (and even then, there's still Portugal). I wouldn't too heavily rely on these as a mode of transportation.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Saturday, 23 July 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

Mary, I'm planning doing a homestay at whatever school I go to. I've been warned to make sure to what the lodgings will be like, though. Some places will stick you into the same small house with like three other extranjeros. Not the best environment for avoiding the temptation to speak English. I don't think I'm going to choose the school before I leave, though. I'm going to read up on what I can and get a general idea, and then once I get there I'll check out the places before I make my final choice.

I've been telling myself that I'm going to stay in Guatemala the entire time. There's so much stuff I'd want to see, and I don't want to spread myself too thin over too many places. When I was in Europe like 7 years (!) ago, I did a whirlwind tour through several countries over the span of two weeks at one point. And yeah, i saw some cool stuff, but I feel I got only the most superficial idea of the places I went to. I don't want to do that again. Like Mikey said, Guatemala isn't a huge country, but I can't imagine I'll be able to see everything in a month, especially since I'll be at a school for the first two weeks. that said, I'm not totally against going outside the country. Just depends on what happens, I guess.

Alan, I'm thinking that I might have to rely on the chicken buses due to budgetary constraints. But if they're too awful, the buses that are one step up in quality (can't remeber what they're called) don't seem to be that much more expensive. We shall see. Thanks for the heads up though.

Lingbertt, Saturday, 23 July 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)

I was naked with 6 other people at 5:30am when the sun came up. Man, I really was a hippie back then
hahaha u got any n00d pix0rs?? A/S/L plz.

Lingbertt, Saturday, 23 July 2005 05:50 (twenty years ago)

i heard they've got a pretty interesting government in guatemala.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 23 July 2005 08:23 (twenty years ago)

That's smart to check out the schools while you are there. Some Germans I met who were at my school did that. They went and interviewed different places and somehow ended up at my school. I was the only guest at my home stay. The living conditions were very basic, as you could imagine. The homestay I did in Mexico City--I was one of 4 American students living with this family. They had a gorgeous house, with tons of room for everyone, but we were more boarders, than honorary family members.

I found the Mexican police to be a lot more corrupt toward visitors than the Guatemalan police. I can't ever remember the hint of even being bothered in Guatemala. Perhaps they same intimidation for their own citizens? I found Guatemala to be an extremely gentle place--this was about 10 years ago. Perhaps the country was still shell-shocked? Mexico, on the other hand, I got harassed a lot, payed bribes at a check point in the middle of the night--not sure to whom. Corruption seemed far more institionalized in Mexico.

Mary (Mary), Saturday, 23 July 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Re: question on volcano climbing

A large one looms over Antigua. You can arrange tours in the town itself. A few years back, a lot of tourists were being robbed in Antigua, so the government installed 'tourist police' to shield foreignors from locals. I'm sorry, I'm being cynical, they installed them to protect them against robbery. I walked up to the cross with a tourist policeman and chatted on the way. He was interesting and when one of the tourists tried to tip him, he waved it away saying he was paid by the government. I'm not saying that is typical, but it was my experience. Anyway, the point of this ramble is to say that the tourist police also accompanied climbers to the first point on the volcano climb. I didn't do it myself (adventure travel does nothing for me), but others did and appeared to enjoy the experience.

Chicken buses are fine, and you have little other option if you want to get around. Actaully you do have another option; sanitised tourist minibuses. But you might as well be in Ohio. Just clench your buttocks.

Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 25 July 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

That's advice we can all get behind.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 25 July 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

three years pass...

it was fun, and i didn't shit in my pants.

Lingbert, Saturday, 20 September 2008 21:44 (seventeen years ago)

three years pass...

http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/04/angels-watch-over-memories-of-war/

un® (dayo), Saturday, 9 June 2012 02:46 (thirteen years ago)

four years pass...

linbert i am going to guatemala soon!

tha frash prance (alomar lines), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 07:49 (nine years ago)

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tha frash prance (alomar lines), Wednesday, 23 November 2016 07:49 (nine years ago)

one year passes...

Fuego goin fiery

let’s get real (alomar lines), Monday, 4 June 2018 17:05 (seven years ago)


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