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...to Britishes here referring to the London bombers and subsequent and future suspects as 'asian.' They are middle eastern, unless they are from Pakistan or India in which case I don't know what to call them. I've been noticing this a lot on the other thread and it just really bothers me for some reason -- bothers ME; the one who never met a racial slur he didn't like. Perhaps it's an American thing, where people insist on micro-managing their races. Asians -- real asians -- don't want to destroy the West with bombs on their backs. That's wasteful and messy. Savages the lot of them. Real Asians -- those from Japan and China and the iisland nations -- want to destroy the West economically, which shows how smart we really are. And we're succeeding.

Bless,

ILX-Asian Society for Nomenclatural Correctness

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41333000/jpg/_41333025_suspect_four_203x152.jpg

See, these dudes don't look asian at all. They look like they should be driving my cab and getting my halal meat and blowing up my subway train.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

what is asian?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

B-b-but they're from Asia!

― sleep (sleep), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

Except in British English, people from Pakistan are called Asians and that term is not limited to people of Far Eastern extraction but refers to all people from the land mass east of the Suez, the Hellespont, and the Urals.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

http://www2.gsu.edu/~wwwast/images/commphoto.jpg

"We are raising our son and daughter to be good at maths and architecture and life sciences. Soon they will manage a large factory in our home prefecture and bring honor to our dead ancectors. Happy summertime, you roundeyes!"

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

that of asian origin- means anything that falls into the continent of Asia's territory.

― battlingspacemonkey (battlingspacemonkey), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Yet again we are two nations separated by a common language.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

http://www.britannica.com/bcom/images/world/nations-asia-map.jpg

― sleep (sleep), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

two nations?

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

The term 'Asian' in the UK generally used to describe people from the Indian subcontinent.

See BBC Asian network for reference!

― marianna, Friday, 22 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

http://www.september11news.com/Atta_AP.jpg

http://foolong.org/images/music/PizzicatoFive-HappyEndOfTheWorld.jpg

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

...And I am objecting to it.

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― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

In the UK, people from India and the middle east are called "Asian" and people from the island nations are called "Oriental", no?

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

But yeah, I read "Asian" and I immediately think "India and eastward" because that is how it's used here.

― sleep (sleep), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

The Asians have destroyed South America in that map up there!!!

― Boring Satanic Space Jazz (sexyDancer), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

two nations?

OK, 2 countries, sovereign states, whatever.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

: (

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

'Oriental' is basically the most offensive thing you can call an asian because of the colonial connotations.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

...And I am objecting to it.

You wish they would be more specific? Or would you like to kick Central Asia out of the geographical nomenclature?

PS Are you from the US?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

Yes to both.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

I never really got over the whole vest/tank-top conundrum.

― marianna, Friday, 22 July 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

'Oriental' essentially means easterner.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Again, I sort of half-assedly mentioned it in my original thread that it might be an American micro-managing of ethnicity thing. Like African-American and etc. Fuck, even New Yorican.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

'Oriental' essentially means easterner.

Yes. We are very exotic and have spices and silks and small penises.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Our women are subservient.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

You likee mee soupee?

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

The first would be an over-reaction.

Second, why do we Americans feel it is our right to criticize the liguistic usage of other countries? Might a Briton be as offended at your presumption to vote on his speech as you are about their use of 'Asian'? Typical American imperialist arrogance. ;)

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

'asian' is an administrative term used by the british civil service -- it dates back only to the 50s, and then for people from the subcontinent who had settled in east africa. the 7/7 bombers' family origins were in pakistan, so 'asian', if a bit iffy, is more accurate than 'middle-eastern'.

― N_RQ, Friday, 22 July 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

Typical American imperialist arrogance. ;)

The British would know, wouldn't they?

(this is all in good fun, mind)

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

I don't see what's iffy about referring to someone FROM ASIA as Asian.

it dates back only to the 50s, and then for people from the subcontinent who had settled in east africa

Before '47 they would all have been Indian, of course.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

What are the 'island nations'?

― Seuss, Friday, 22 July 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

The names our ancestors came up with to desribe 'others' may have associated baggage of their prejudices but that doesn't change the fact that much of that is what we now choose to read into words. Exotic, for example originally means 'foreign'. Spices, silks. Incontovertably true. Is this bad?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Before '47 they would have been called 'boy' and made to fetch the mint juleps.

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― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

jimmy, can we call canadians 'americans'? they are from america after all.

― N_RQ, Friday, 22 July 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

We don't call Canadians 'Americans'.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

What are the 'island nations'?

Everything in the sex-trade area of the Pacific.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

Most Americans do...until they realize, I mean.

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― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

What are the 'island nations'?

Western European archaeologists use "Insular people" to refer to the people of "the North Atlantic Archipelago" - Britain and Ireland, in other words. Somehow I doubt that this is what is meant here.

Exotic, for example originally means 'foreign'

As did "Welsh".

We do call Canadians "North Americans" when appropriate.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Western European archaeologists use "Insular people" to refer to the people of "the North Atlantic Archipelago" - Britain and Ireland, in other words. Somehow I doubt that this is what is meant here.

I did not know that!

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Oriental just means eastern, ffs. I don't think it has negative connotations in Britain, I'm not 100% on this, but this could be like that whole "boy" nonsense of a few weeks back.

This thread sucks.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

This thread sucks.

I think it took off by occident.

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

for those who don't understand, in the US, "Asian" refers to both to folks in china, japan, thailand, korea, mongolia, indonesia, etc, and to descendents of those from those countries.

"indian" or "pakistani" is used to refer to folks from those particular countries. we have yet to really have a catch-all term for them, that mixes ethnicity & location.

e.g. Kahn on KoTH & Harold are Asian, Apu & Kumar are Indian.

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― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

made to fetch the mint juleps

?????? Gin Pahits, I think. Mint Juleps are from the South.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

"indian" or "pakistani" is used to refer to folks from those particular countries. we have yet to really have a catch-all term for them, that mixes ethnicity & location.

At least not one you could say in public.

― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

This thread sucks.

I think it took off by occident.

ok, public beatings are deserved for this one.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 22 July 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, kinky

:-)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

I remember in junior high there was a big movement in social studies textbooks to refer to Indians, Pakistanis, et all as "people of the Indian subcontinent." It never caught on and there were objections because it neglected the people of the Himalayas who are not technically on the sub continent. School is weird.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

I am also offended by the British use of 'Indian'. Can't you mention their specific tribe?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

"Hindoos"

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

'Oriental' is basically the most offensive thing you can call an asian because of the colonial connotations.

-- Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (Mod...), July 22nd, 2005. (later)

I have friends of Chinese descent who use "Asian" and "Oriental" interchangeably. Just sayin'.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Insular people

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

Race Traitors

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― Jimmy Mod Is Sick of Being The Best At Everything (ModJ), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

How? Seriously, this is news to me.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

'Oriental' is basically the most offensive thing you can call an asian because of the colonial connotations.

Well, see the Chinese have economically, culturally, and sometimes directly colonized much of the Far East, so they don't want to be associated with all the riff-raff they've pwned. Their victims, from Vietnam to Korea to Tibet don't want to be confused with their oppressors. The Japanese have much the same problem, having colonized huge swaths of the Far East including Manchuria, Korea, Vietnam, Burma, Singapore, etc... and none of those people want to be associated with them either. The Mongols prefer to just be called Mongols having conquered China, much of the Middle East and Eastern Europe and having been to the very gates of Western Europe.

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

asians pwn asia.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Europeans:
http://www.madmusik.de/mad/web/images/49.jpg

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

From whence the term "britishes", just out of curiosity?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

Isn't it Noize Boardian?

― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

I always thought "Oriental" was in reference to objects (rugs, art etc)

― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

aye, objects...

that's what I thought.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 22 July 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

At least not one you could say in public.

exactly. "towel-heads" is the closest thing, tho that generally refers to "any of them brown people of there who're supportin' the terr'ists" e.g. Arabic/Persian folks, Sihks, etc.

"Paki" is not yet a racial slur over here on this side of the pond.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

http://www.theregister.com/2004/05/13/pugwithfries.jpg

― OLD SPICE® CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

http://paxasiana.com/wp-content/i-am-asian.jpg

― OLD SPICE® CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 22 July 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

http://www.marychen.com/chinky.html

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:04 (twenty years ago)

"Miam Masian"? who's that?

― kingfish (Kingfish), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure "Oriental" is the most offensive thing one could call east Asians.

NB the easiest way I can think of to clarify all of this stuff is to say "east Asian" to mean what the US means by "Asian," "south Asian" to mean what the UK means by "Asian," and "southeast Asian" for the space in-between. Then wait for a bunch of Persians to come kick your ass for leaving them in with the Arabs.

― nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

I pray to my god in farsai.

― OLD SPICE® CHEMTRAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 22 July 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Asians -- real asians -- don't want to destroy the West with bombs on their backs. That's wasteful and messy. Savages the lot of them. Real Asians -- those from Japan and China and the iisland nations -- want to destroy the West economically, which shows how smart we really are.

Uh... tell that to the people who lost loved ones in the Bali bombings which were insitigated and carried out by Indonesians.

― Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 23 July 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

(Islam extremism isnt just in the middle east ffs)

― Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 23 July 2005 05:22 (twenty years ago)

what does "ffs" mean?

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 23 July 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

"for fuck's sake"

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Saturday, 23 July 2005 07:15 (twenty years ago)

oh, cool

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 23 July 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)

and you also have the abu sayyaf who spreads terror on the philippines.

but maybe indonesians and philippinos arent pure asian enough for the creator of this thread.

― Lovelace (Lovelace), Saturday, 23 July 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

indonesians are south asian. and filipinos are pacific islanders.

and chinese are east asians.

and japanese are east pacific islanders.

real asians = mongols and NOBODY ELSE.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Sunday, 24 July 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

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