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I was recently given a new computer gadget. It is a little thing that you stick in the back of the computer; I think the idea is that you can save huge amounts of material on it, and carry it around - even round your neck, for instance! I cannot remember clearly now what it is called, but many of you probably know the type of gadget I mean.

Today I opened it and tried to use it. I loaded the disc that came with it into my computer, but that seemed to make no difference. Then I put the gadget into a slot on the computer. The computer responded for a bit, then said it had no drive to handle the gadget, or something. I am not sure what its words were.

So the gadget seems to be useless. It was frustrating; it filled me with terrible ennui and even, I'm afraid, a kind of fruitless, dark anger at all the computer bods who spend their time casually comparing one gadget to another, and would never have one go wrong or be unusable in this way.

I wonder whether anyone on ilx can give any advice about what I can do to try to make the gadget work. (Also, I sometimes wonder why there is not a general Computer Help thread, or similar, for ilx.)

the pinefox, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

It's called a flash drive. Apart from knowing that I am hopeless.

estela (estela), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:57 (twenty years ago)

You need a new computer.

Tumililingan (ex machina), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

at a guess I'd say you're going to need some sort of software driver to make the thing work, which I'm sure will be downloadable somewhere from the net.

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

What operating system do you have?

If you have XP or 2000 you shouldn't need a driver.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

really? how does that work then?

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Well, it already has the driver.

Tumililingan (ex machina), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

XP has already got the drivers for flash drives etc

xpost

stevieshaw, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

oh right, forgive a poor soul who stills uses '98

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

did it come with a disk? the drivers for it will be on the disk.

> I loaded the disc

ha, yes it did. when it pops and saying it needs drivers you have to tell it where the drivers are, it won't (necessarily) just see them on the disc.

(as people say, you shouldn't need the drivers if your computer is newer than windows 98)

it'd be easier if you were as good at describing the actual on-screen messages as you are at describing what you feel when you see them... 8) the messages are kinda vital, as are your operating system details, otherwise we're just pissing in the dark.

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

There's likely support for it, did you poke around the CD at all? xpost

Tumililingan (ex machina), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

I could not poke around the CD, for nothing happened when I put it in the computer. I think this might possibly be because, as some here have said, the computer is able to handle the drive gadget (are you sure it is called a flash drive? I have not heard this before) without extra input. Except, of course - it isn't. But the computer is no more than 4 years old, and has been overhauled in some kind of way in the last 2 years.

Koogs wants to know what the messages said. Alas, I cannot really recall. I seem to recall that more than one came up. They were announcing a lack of something. I think they used the word 'drive'. They may have mentined 'D Drive' (?), but I think that means CD drive, so perhaps not, or perhaps it is irrelevant.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Uh, there was a DRIVER cd yes? Put that in and browse before connecting the device.

Koogs wants to know what the messages said. Alas, I cannot really recall. I seem to recall that more than one came up. They were announcing a lack of something. I think they used the word 'drive'. They may have mentined 'D Drive' (?), but I think that means CD drive, so perhaps not, or perhaps it is irrelevant.

SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS LOOKING FOR A DRIVER

Tumililingan (ex machina), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

So, you think I should put the (little) CD back in - and do what? Nothing happened last time. How does one 'browse'?

(All this is on another computer, not this one.)

the bellefox, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

You really weren't made for these times, were you, Pinefox?

Get somebody who knows about these things to take a look at it.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

Using Windows 98 is like trying to get off while fucking a bag of gym socks.

Tumililingan (ex machina), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

if there is an icon for the cd showing up on your desktop, try clicking on it. you might be able to 'browse' that way - ie, look through the contents. but if no icon appears, then you're not going to be able to do so.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

if there is an icon for the cd showing up on your desktop, try clicking on it.

He doesn't have a Mac.

But yea, goto my computer and click on the CD and look for stuff that might have to do with Windows 98.

Tumililingan (ex machina), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

tilting at windows 8)

the dialogue that mentioned with the D drive is your opportunity to tell it where the files are. point it at the cdrom drive (which is probably D: but can change, mine is I:)

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Interesting. I will try to implement this, next time.

It is odd, though - I think the booklet implied that the D would do its own work, not require people pointing at it, browsing, searching, etc.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

It would "just work" if you had a computer from this millenium.

Tumililingan (ex machina), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

it is possible to have your computer set to automatically run programs on a cd when it is inserted, but you must enable "autoplay"

you can still browse the cd - right click the cd drive in my computer, and select 'browse' from the context menu

ronny longjohns (ronny longjohns), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

it is possible to have your computer set to automatically run programs on a cd when it is inserted, but you must enable "autoplay"

this is an appallingly bad idea, unless you have a virus-checker that can see into the future.

seriously, though, pinefox: buy a mac.

[ducks]

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

double clicking on the CD icon in Explorer should surely run the disk no?

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

Gah, he might not need to "run" anything. He probably just has to give the hardware wizard the right path to the drivers.

Tumililingan (ex machina), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

seriously, though, pinefox: buy a mac.

Even an old one, onethat runs System 7. Super confusion-free

stet (stet), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

this is an appallingly bad idea, unless you have a virus-checker that can see into the future.

to me, it's an appallingly bad idea because it's annoying to have your computer try to automatically do stuff with every cd you put in the tray

i doubt that commercial driver/setup cds are a particularly threatening vector for a pc virus. wait, in fact i don't know what you're talking about. anything physically on a cd is not from the future, but the updates for your virus protection are...

ronny longjohns (ronny longjohns), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

My computer is from this millennium, as I mentioned upthread.

I don't really know what kind of computer it is.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

in fact i don't know what you're talking about

it was a joke. never mind.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

let's start with the basics. what's the brand of flash drive? who makes it?

there's a roundup comparison of all of them here if you need a visual aid:

http://www6.tomshardware.com/storage/20050520/index.html

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

I think it is called USB 2.0. I don't know who makes it, though; the names on that page don't ring a bell.

It is interesting to see so many computer-intelligent people gradually arrive on this thread with so many different approaches and comments.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

At my work, we call that kind of drive a 'pen'. It's very confusing when you already have a desk littered with pens.

Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

okay, so that means it has a usb 2.0 connection, which has a much bigger dick than regular usb.

right then, what's the company name printed on the side of the doohickey?

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

hee hee. this is like when my dad calls me from 3 time zones away at 8am on a saturday morning to ask why his computer is beeping at him and "running so damn slow."

funny how being the eldest child puts you into the role of familial tech support.

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

x-post: I don't have it, or the computer I've been discussing, here. So I'm afraid I cannot answer the last question. I think the whole thing looked very official, not a trashy one. It came with a sort of string thing, too - perhaps to hang it round your neck? - but with other gizmos attached to it, so perhaps not.

I don't know if I have heard of a pen drive, but like Madchen I think names can get confusing. I think there is a name for these things that I have heard, but am unsure whether it is 'flash' or 'pen'.

'dick'!

the pinefox, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

ours at work are called hyperdrives

Ste (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Wow!!

the bellefox, Tuesday, 26 July 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

I think the whole thing looked very official, not a trashy one. It came with a sort of string thing, too - perhaps to hang it round your neck? - but with other gizmos attached to it, so perhaps not.

you're describing every single type ever produced.

kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

you'll be fine, the pinefox.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 26 July 2005 18:27 (twenty years ago)

Teeny spoke truer than he or she may have known. The gadget is now working!

the blissfox, Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

what did you do?

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 28 July 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

I managed to get the computer to recognize the little CD. Once this worked, it installed software. Then, when I put the gadget (it's called a USB drive - made by ... Verbatim!) into the machine, it gave some encouraging messages about looking for software. Then I managed to copy files onto it!

A surprise for me is: almost all my text files are on it; so are a bunch of photos. That takes half the space. But then - the remaining space will not fit even two musical tracks! I knew music and pictures were bigger than text, but not that there was such a vast size gap between pix and music. How does a CD hold all that music? Is its space so much bigger than my little gadget?

the pinefox, Thursday, 28 July 2005 12:43 (twenty years ago)

> I managed to get the computer to recognize the little CD.

hurray. yes, that was key.

a sheet of a4 is typically 1000 characters

cd = 650MB = 650 million characters (roughly)

BUT if the files are mp3ed they are generally 10 times smaller than they are on the cd. so i can get two whole lps on my 128M memory key as mp3s (only i can't at the mo because it's full of other junk).

are the files mp3s? what size are they? (put the mouse over them and the size should popup. failing that, rightclick and choose properties). mine are typically 2,000KB (2MB) each depending on quality and track length.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

Pinefox I am adoring your view of technology :D You remind me of Data from Trek. And I mean that as a compliment!

USB drives can be small and may only fit a few songs.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

pics (jpeg files) can be around 50kb or more in size
music can be around 2mb in size

thats like 40 times the size, i think.

xxpost

Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Trayce: thank you for your kind comments. Koogs: thank you for your information. I looked into the size issue and it seemed that pix were eg. 70 kb (?) and songs were eg. 40 MB... no - that cannot be right.

It is right about the pictures - I have just looked at one and it is c.64 KB. But I don't know about the music. I may have got that bit wrong.

I don't think my music files are called mp3 - I think some of them may be called 'wav' - but I am not at all sure about that, in fact - they may be called something else. Probably they are much more cumbersome than Koogs' ideal.

A queer thing, though, is that my computer at the home holds tons of them! I mean, hundreds!

the pinefox, Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

I meant also to offer my thanks to the ilxors who responded to my plight. In a way, by directing me back to that CD, they may have made the big difference that was needed. It is good when some people who are technology experts are willing to share or helpfully apply their knowledge, genuinely, rather than patronize and belittle others.

the bellefox, Thursday, 28 July 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Thus ends the overly verbose usb

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 28 July 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

issue

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Thursday, 28 July 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

> songs were eg. 40 MB... no - that cannot be right
> I think some of them may be called 'wav'

that would explain everything! the wav files are as they come off the cd. it's an old format, good for quality, lousy for filesize. and that's why mp3 was invented - it sounds good enough (is not perfect, but ok for listening to on the bus) and is a *tenth* of the size. (ipods use mp3)

there are lots of things that'll convert cds to mps but it depends on what you want the files for.

koogs (koogs), Thursday, 28 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
heartening thread.

so erm could anyone recommend a flash drive? i see this shonky-looking bytestore bytestore fella with 2 gigs for 30 quids, and this sandisk seems ok i guess. i suppose it doesnt matter that much really right? anyway if anyone's had any experience of any good/bad ones that wd be good. also i don't mind if it hasn't a LANYARD.

wait let me guess, you're all using your ipods.

rtccc (mwah), Tuesday, 27 June 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

sounds like a bargain (my 128M was 30 quid a year and a bit ago). but, from the amazon page:

> No problems at all with this, unless you have a Windows 98 PC.

there are things you shouldn't use a usb key for (there's a limit to the number of times you can write to them and some things use up that limit rather quickly) but for transfering stuff backwards and forwards they are usually fine.

(and yes, i am using my mp3 player for the larger stuff)

koogy wonderland (koogs), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 07:37 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think anyone makes win98 ready usb drives that dont need an extra driver downloaded anymore. not a problem on my end tho.

there's a limit to the number of times you can write to them and some things use up that limit rather quickly

seriously?! i've never heard of that before. what sort of limit are we talking about?

rtccc (mwah), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.imation.com/didyouknow/technology_info/USB_Flash_Drives_Take_it_with.html

"Flash memory has a write endurance limit. This limit is the number of times the flash memory cell can be written until it can not be restored to its initial condition. The industry refers to this as the erase cycles. The endurance is rated between 10,000 and 100,000 erase cycles for different types flash memories."

i did read about someone who wore out his in a couple of weeks because he was using it for something that constantly rewrote the data.

koogy wonderland (koogs), Wednesday, 28 June 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

could anyone recommend a good uninterruptible power supply (UPS) that can help 2 computers remain temporarily operational?

S. (Sébastien Chikara), Thursday, 29 June 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)


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