Liverpool Won't Win The Premiership Title 2001-2

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And NOW you're gonna believe me.

the pinefox, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(This follows a) Steady Mike's suggestion that new space was needed to discuss this issue; b) Chelsea 4-0 mauling; c) fact that Liverpool will not win title despite predictions from pundits as diverse as Robin C and the Cabbage.)

the pinefox, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Man United will win the premiership, and it's only the fear of sort- of-wanting them to that would result that has stopped me putting a large bet at 9-1 on them doing so. That was, of course, when it was available - I put a similar bet on Arsenal to win the title a few years ago (5-1, and I was right), and one of my greatest pleasures before that date - loathing the gooner scum - was gone forever. Sigh.

Mark C, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, its Arsenal's year without a doubt.

Pete, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Arsenal, possibly. United, possibly - Mark C has a weird kind of conviction. Leeds I still see as front runners. Liverpool top 4.

Hey, I was right about Chelsea in 5th, Spurs 7th, Everton top half.

the pinefox, Monday, 17 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Quality will out, that's all I can say.

Peter Miller, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

we'll just have to wait and see won't we? I still don't think the chelsea match is a signifier of a downward spiral.

chris, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I still think it's between Liverpool and Leeds. A few iffy weeks now and then good Christmases will see them gambol away like a pair of spring lambs. Man Utd will finish third and Spurs will secure the final Champions League spot. Arsenal? Pah!

Jonnie, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mr Cabbage, he speak the truth. Liverpool always lose to Chelsea; I don't think you can infer anything particularly telling from the result. Is it too late to say that I see the PF's latest idée fixée as a personal insult?

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Downward spiral my ass. A draw and then ooh ooh a LOSS?

Maybe it's only a downward spiral because they'd been so consistent before.

One question, who is currently top of the premiership?

Ronan, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

that depends on when you next look at this Ronan. Liverpool tuesday afternoon, but arsenal have the nasty maggies in london tonight, so you mayaswell just give them the three points, which will take them top on goal difference.

BBC sports page which i think updates...

carsmilesteve, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did I suggest this? I was quite happy with the other thread - I was hoping it might reach "Jay-Z hip-hop throw-down" proportions by May.

But, anyway, to restate my view:

Chelsea reverse amazing, but a mere blip. A bit like a comedy series that uses all its best material in the pilot ("The Clairvoyant"!) or a band with one great debut single. There's not going to be any follow-up to this. I'd love to see an LFC festive slump, but they've just conceded all the goals they're going to for the rest of the year.

Arsenal the major challengers, and to really threaten they need to take at least a point on 23/12 (and, of course, win tonight - Bobby R due *something* in the capital by now, surely?). This is just the sort of game Houllier's Liverpool peak for (precisely the opposite with Evans). Leeds too flaky.

Very prepared to be wrong, wrong, wrong about this.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I still can't believe that I'm going to be on a coach when the Liverpool - gooners match is on. I'm going to have to phone my house and have them put the phone next to the tv or something. And Mike is right, it is the sort of match that they really do rev up for. Prepare for fireworks.

chris, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris: worth 20 quid for one of those tiny Sony AM/FM radios, surely? How have you coped for this long without such a thing?

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Too much excitement about the Liverpool - Arsenal match in my view (although it should be a good game... I hope they kick huge lumps out of each other). This season is that all the leading teams have been dropping points. The team that wins is the one who manages some consistency in the second half of the season. Single games are only a big deal when the leaders are already super-consistent, like Celtic & Rangers a few years ago when they were neck-and-neck.

Tim, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike, my walkman with radio attached recently gave up the ghost, and yup, I am a bit lost of a saturday afternoon (when not sat in front of Stellar Jeff Stelling and co) without it. Maybe Glasgow has a couple of cheap electrical shops??

chris, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Real Sociedad have signed something called Sunder Westerveld, who apparently got the chop from Liverpool for letting a weak shot squirm through his hands. Sounds like just what the doctor ordered. Is there anything else of interest about Sunder Westerveld, or is that it?

This should probably be a new thread, but I haven't got my New Threads badge yet.

Peter Miller, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"electric" Sander Westerveld was Liverpool's first choice keeper all last season and was always quite useful, except where crosses are concerned, and Jerzy Dudek inspires a hella lot more confidence. And Chris Kirkland shows a hella lot of promise.

chris, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

you mayaswell just give them the three points, which will take them top on goal difference

Newcastle will beat Arsenal convincingly toneet and bury their London jinx.

Gypsy Rose Billy, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

In fairness to Westerveld, he was axed after making way less mistakes than Mr Barthez has done this season.

Ronan, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

than barthez has made I mean. this is what comes of starting a post then coming back to it after a few minutes and not reading it properly.

, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

agreed, I just think that Dudek's a better keeper. I've been very impressed with him so far this season.

chris, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tim H is right of course. I'm just trying to whip the board into a frenzy so that people are actually posting five minutes apart on Sunday afternoon, as happened during Wimbledon, but with more cursing.

I need to get excited about something.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But Mike, you're getting excited about the right thing.

chris, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

1- Arsenal 2- Liverpool 3- ManYoo 4- Chelsea 5- Spurs 6- Leeds 7- Newcastle Oops, thought I was on ILM there ... BTW has any pre-season prediction by pundits ever been completely accurate?

Snotty Moore, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Unlike some contributors to this thread, I LIKE Edna's Liverpool team. That little squinting scamp Gerrard and other milionaire ragamuffins. I like the way they play the ball sideways too. My idee fixe thingy is only an annoying Pavlovian reaction to the misguided certainty of others saying they WILL win the League. And (to her credit) I don't think Edna has done that, actually.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Howay the lads!!!!!!

stevo, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Arsenal 1 Newcastle 3. Gypsy Rose Billy has spoken.

Gypsy Rose Billy, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think the Pinefox will join me in hoping that the new leaders of the Premiership stay there. What a turn up. Such an unlikely result that I hadn't even thought to check NUFC's goal-diff to see if they could actually leapfrog LFC. Fantastic.

I bet Bobby R's face is a picture. "Whelllll...."

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

bah! suppose the nasty maggies had to win in london eventually (FYI, i am mackem by birth and gooner by marriage). also interesting fact from sporting life site, if teams are tied on points, goal diff and goals scored at the end of the season and title, relegation or european place is at stake, they have a play off, how kewl would that be??

carsmilesteve, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

About as kewl as a the Charlton-Sunderland play-off penalty shoot out.

stevo, Tuesday, 18 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

One happy Stevo. ;) Nice result though, watched a bit on the tellie yesterday and Newcastle looked very solid, passing the ball around and all that fancy stuff. Arsenal looked terrible, but not as terrible as that tosser in green/black, that second sending off was a disgrace. I hate it when refs start to go card-happy probably in some sort of delusion that Fifa is eyeing them for a World Cup spot. Bah!

Omar, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Graham Poll was a disaster last night, Jesus! Parlour was unlucky to be sent off I feel, Bellamy getting a straight red for what he did was absolutely scandalous, that must be rescinded (sp?) and then Campbell gives away a penalty by making one of the tackles of the season! Bobby Robson sounded as if he was about to die in the radio interview later, voice gone, wheezing etc.

Omar, have Ajax got any interesting matches lined up in early April?

Pinefox, I don't think LFC WILL win the premiership but I do think they can.

chris, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

7 april Ajax - Utrecht 21 april Ajax - Groningen 28 april Ajax - Den Bosch

nothing really interesting, sort of mid-table to bottom teams. Tonight a semi-biggie though, at home against Vitesse.

Omar, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ooh that's a shame, as I'm getting my redundancy at the end of March and was going to include a trip to Amsterdam in my grand journey. If I'm away for 7 weeks I should be able to get in at least 4 matches before leagues finish. Then get back here and sit on my arse all through June watching the world cup :)

chris, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mike: yes, I'll join you in this. Or alternatively - "JOIN *ME*..."

Tel. call from gooner friend this am; he blithely shrugged away the result before I knew what it was: 'a hoot', he says, all down to G Poll; no worries, Arsenal were brilliant, blah.

I think that Bobby Robson's Newcastle being Dec 19 leaders is an absolute delight. And what a way to end that London run.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 19 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

The only thing more extraordinary than this weekend's set of results is the fact that this thread hasn't seen any action in four days and is languishing, Ipswich-like, so far down the New Answers board. Is it Xmas or something?

Sky Sports tells us that the mighty LFC managed only one strike on target vs Arsenal - which is a little harsh, considering Little Mikey Owen went so close via Ashley Cole's stumble. Justice was done I think, considering the whole van Bronckhorst nonsense (though, Mrs Edna W - an uncharacteristically sweary presence to my left throughout - correctly predicted Durkin's red-card reaction). I'll only be prepared to call this a slump if Liverpool fail to pick themselves up for trips to Villa (already victors at Anfield this season) and West Ham.

I didn't see the Leeds v Newcastle match, but it's a lovely thing to have an avuncular white-haired ol' fella as our Christmas number 1. I don't suppose they'll stay there...

Michael Jones, Sunday, 23 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

WEEEEllllll...

the pinefox, Sunday, 23 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Stealth Toon still number 1.

stevo, Wednesday, 26 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Only until the Pool win their game in hand.

Ronan, Wednesday, 26 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Only until the Pool win their game in hand."

By a five-goal margin, away from home? I think not. Good win at Villa though - vital, actually.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 26 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I really should have checked my facts there. Yeah it was vital. Especially considering everyone else won.

Ronan, Wednesday, 26 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

of course, it's the most wide open premiership race ever.

cliche chris, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I didn't see Liverpool's goals - was the first really an assist from the ref?

A depressing inevitability about the result at Goodison - I can't recall how many times Man U have poached a couple of late goals in fairly even contests with EFC over the last ten years, but I suspect it's more than three. Unsworth's miss = the end of any 2002 Royal Blue pretensions to top-half worthiness, let alone UEFA glory. Time to start practising that furtive over-the-shoulder glance.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I only saw Smicer's and Hendrie's due to just getting home in time for them. But I did hear that Schmeicel threw the ball against the back of the refs head or summat. Smicers goal was lovely, chipped ball over the top, took it beautifully on his chest, then shinned it into the oppositre corner he was aiming for. (of course it's that sort of luck which wins trophies = good cliche).

Didn't see any of your match Mike but as far as I remember your boys do that a lot, give good teams a rough ride and then trip up at the last, and I had you down for a sneaky win yesterday too.

chris, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

So Everton lost two over Xmas, like their old compadres Tottenham (= both Big Five c.1986 so still Big Five in my head; both suffering diminishing returns for last c.14 years, barring the odd rogue upturn).

Sunderland away and Man Utd are hard nuts to crack, actually; esp. compared to Ipswich and Soton. A Black Xmas for both clubs. Newcastle keeping a rare flame burning, and good on them.

I fear that my previous predictions look more OTM than ever. I feel for the Pool fans out there. How long must they wait?

the pinefox, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Three straight defeats in all, Pinefox (including the reverse at Leeds - seems a shame, as we got in on the current craze of bagging a brace of late goals at Elland Road, but, unlike Leicester and Newcastle, came away with nowt) - as I kinda expected. Slippage is occurring. Spurs' dip is far more fleeting, I feel.

The sheer jamminess of LFC's win at Villa seems very redolent of their 80s style - a mini-slump would be followed by a tricky away fixture (possibly televised, with Ian St John summarising), promising further misery for the Reds. But, appallingly, the opposition would spurn chance after chance and Rushie would bag a later winner after some ludicrous fluke of a Craig Johnston equaliser. A fortnight later, they'd be top, immovable til May.

Once again, I do hope I'm wrong.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm pissed I wont have cable after next week cause this looks like a great race for the premiership (even at the bottom of the table), but Liverpool better shape up after that shit ass lose to Arsenal if hey pretencd to lose.
As long as Manu dont win I'll be happy, I belong to the Manu player hater club.

Its not the north or the south side
No its not
its not the east or the west side
no its not
It is the Darkside
That is correct!.

Me Noodles, Thursday, 27 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

>>> (possibly televised, with Ian St John summarising)

- Ian, you can never rule out Liverpool, can you?

- [Laughs] No, you *can't*... and isn't it incredible.. the number of times we've seen them a goal down, looking out of it, and at the end of the game they've got the three points... and -

- Sympathy for Ipswich?

- I *do*, I feel very sorry, very symptathetic for Ipswich, but [laughs] what can you do - we've said it time and again, we've come on here on a Sunday.

- And all thanks to this man.

- That man again! Well he just has this ability doesn't he, this *knack*, of - being on the spot when they need him. And, what can you say.

the pinefox, Friday, 28 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, I have to say having just seen them in action this afternoon at Upton Park, for the first half at least, we played them off the park.

Inexplicably, Gerrard and Owen started on the bench. When those two came on in the second half it was a different story, and I think overall a draw was a fair result.

To have any chance at the title this season their key players will need to stay injury free.

Trevor, Saturday, 29 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

except Gary Lineker.

Dean Windass, he looks dead thick.

and my last thing before I leave, who looks clever? except Le Saux of course, that goes without saying. Dudek, he looks like he's got some book learning in him, as does Karl Heinz Reidle.

chris, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Zvonimir Boban looks like he would be a bit useful on Mastermind.

Jonnie, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Despite what Ronan said above, I think Sami Hyypia looks like a hard- boiled Scandinavian phenomenological philosopher. Or a member of the SS.

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He'd be a tough bastard tutor.

Jonnie, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Italian preparations for the World Cup have been hit by a shock Korean ban on parmesan. Korean regulations forbid the importation of fresh milk products, which will leave Giovanni Trapattoni's side without their favourite cheese. High-level talks are underway to try to get Korean authorities to change their mind. An Azzuri spokesman said: "We are currently making high level approaches to try to change this. Another avenue is trying to find it within the country. "So far we have not had any luck."

Jonnie, Thursday, 24 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Zvonimir Boban famously lives in a castle built by a former Pope, where he keeps his wide collection of Classical first edition books, that man has class.

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Edwin Van Der Saar looks like Mark Hollis (Talk Talk). Just thought I'd share that with you.

Dr. C, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and of course Fabien Barthez looks like Donald Pleasance

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and of course this is probably the right thread to say "where will John Gregory go next?" according to the papers it's Derby, I'm not so sure, especially as he apparently wants some time away from the game and they need help quick sharpish.

Who will come in at Villa? David Moyes from Preston? or Megson from the Baggies? or Dodgy Graham?

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Villa should appoint Ray Graydon. Walsall will likely be back in the third division within three years. Nutters.

Tim, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I think John Gregory should be next week's President of Argentina.

Edna Welthorpe, Mrs, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

He looks the part doesn't he?

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I love the way Villa were top for a few weeks last season or perhaps the season before and some of their fans actually thought they might be about to get good.

On a totally different note I was drinking that cheap red bull substitute with crap vodka last night and I had nightmares about Gerard Houllier and assorted Liverpool players past and present having fights in New York. Jesus it was scary.

Ronan, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, tell me it was like The Warriors/the D12 "Fight Music" video. I can just see Leeds as the baseball wielding thugs.

Jonnie, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Villa were top THIS season.

Comedy quotation: Doug Ellis says "This shows the amount of pressure managers are under in the modern game". (File that one with the Krays' police programme.)

Gregory for Derby? Graham for Villa - yes, I think I can see that. (Imagine it - reunited with both Merson and Ginola!)

the pinefox, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Jesus would George Graham fuck off and die already, he'll be there about 2 weeks and then leave because the Doug Ellis is the only man in the world more tight arsed than George himself.

Ronan, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Good point Pinefox. Mind you, as someone on the radio said this morning will deadly Doug want an old hand as manager who knows the tricks and won't be pushed around, or will he go for someone slightly more malleable?

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

didn't stan collymore recently apply for the managers job at bradford city (maddest thing EVER if so)?? it would be so funny if he tried it at villa too

gareth, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Poor old Stan, that was mentioned this morning too, to howls of derision from around the studio.

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I am amazed to find that nearly half of this (now immense) thread has been posted in the last 4-5 days.

Dr C - did you see Big Ron in the Guardian today? Sounds like you and he might agree re. Chelsea.

He doesn't mention Roy Hodgson, though - that's an interesting one. I like Hodgson, though I can't quite explain why. I remember being so sad when they said he broke down in tears on being fired from Blackburn.

the pinefox, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe we should start a new footie thread?

Roy Hodgson just seems like a thoroughly decent chap from what I've seen, and it looks as if Udinese shat on him terribly.

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

new footie thread started, called it's the closest title race ever, or summat like that.

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

B-b-but this thread has a grate title.

the pinefox, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

wishful thinking Pinefox?

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Or self-fulfilling prophecy? But no, the thing is - I would be quite happy if Liverpool now finally found some form and spurted to the top. (United fans' reported taunts of 'Mickey Mouse treble' were absurd too.) But can they do it? I can't believe you believe it. That recent spell really did them in. Question now is perhaps: can Houllier make a difference? And what is the verdict, now, on Thompson?

the pinefox, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Good questions, unfortunately I'm off home in ten minutes, so can't give them enough thought, hopefully flatmate will have his pooter set up at home.

To answer one question though, I don't hold a lot of hope for winning it, but there is a glint there, just a glint, probably the same glint in the eyes of Arsenal, Leeds and Newcastle fans.

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No: Leeds and Arsenal are differently placed, I think, from Newcastle and Liverpool. Arsenal should be title favourites by now: if they win game in hand, they go top. (I now have to tend to agree with Mike's earlier verdict that Leeds are a bit too prone to combustion - are their own enemies, etc.)

the pinefox, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That's rational, but I'm daring to dream Reynard.

chris, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cabbage Dreams Reynard... a concept LP in the making, I hope.

Tim, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

However I fear Cabbage may wake up with a Hard Shoulder

David, Friday, 25 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

dman that missing comma!

chris, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

how could you miss keown out of the thickest players list?? manyoo still odds on 6/5 at local bookies...

but the big weekend question is can the Robins beat mighty Burnley tomorrow and get to the fifth round???

CarsmileSteve, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

dunno, but Boro knocked manyoo out of the cup after 80 minutes of very dull football, then 2 in ten minutes. Blanc, what were you thinking?

chris, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah jesus blanc is some amusement arcade.

Ronan, Saturday, 26 January 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
Can we have this thread back now please? I enjoyed reading it before.

Also Red Cabbage is having things too much his own way at the moment and that's not good for him.

David, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't it about time Chris or myself said "WELLLLLLLLL"?

Ronan, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, no - not yet. This just means wins for the Arse and Man U this afternoon, which won't do (particularly in the first case)...

Michael Jones, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm not saying weeeeellllll just yet, especially after a efficient performance from manyoo against the defensively solid addicks. Arsenal aren't looking too brilliant against your boys though Jonesy (at 5 minutes past half time, will the next 40 minutes make me look foolish?)

chris, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bah. Same as the Boxing Day game vs Man Utd - we look perfectly comfortable, opposition offering little threat, they snatch a goal (much less graceful than Giggs' strike on 26/12), we never get near an equalizer. Ginola did little after those three near-misses. Henry should've been sent off.

Then Edna thrashed me three times in table football *and* the machine swallowed my last 50p.

Michael Jones, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Unlucky Mike, that was the flukiest goal I've seen in a long while, and yeah, Ginola did seem to just disappear. As for Henry, that was pretty despicable, even if no cantact was made.

chris, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Would it be harsh to blame Simonsen for that goal a little bit. He was awfully slow reacting to it.

Ronan, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

he would have been put completely off balance though wouldn't he? Plus it did look for an age as though it was going to go over.

To change the subject though, where did Heskey find his shooting boots? I'm glad he did though.

England squad you say? Vassell, Rickets *and* Phillips on the team sheet? WTF?????

chris, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Heskey always strikes me as having major self esteem/confidence problems. I mean you could see on that one move where Owen (I think) looped a ball over to him and he showed the neatest touch and strength, and looked an entirely different player to a few weeks ago, that he has got his confidence back. I think he missed Houlliers motivational techniques also. I'm not sure Thompson was up to the job of stopping the Liverpool blip anyway.

I think if Houllier had been around that dip in form wouldn't have lasted quite as long.

Ronan, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and he's still not back properly is he? Maybe he just dropped by Melwood and had a quiet word with the big feller.

chris, Sunday, 10 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Henry should've been sent off."

Agreed. (Didn't see it.)

the pinefox, Tuesday, 12 February 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ten months pass...
I enjoyed reading this thread again, and thought I'd revive it to ask: what *is* happening at Liverpool? They're currently a massive FOUR points above Leeds...

Tim (Tim), Friday, 3 January 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i said "leave me alone"!

michael wells (michael w.), Friday, 3 January 2003 16:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Nevertheless I fear the clash on Sunday. Last time they had a slump (albeit a less serious one) and there was talk of Owen's poor form, he stuck three past us at Maine Road.

Tag, Friday, 3 January 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

WAHT

Chelsea's Ukrainian striker Andriy Shevchenko has revealed how he would like to become part of the growing football revolution in America at some stage of his career. Shevchenko has failed to reproduce the kind of form which prompted Chelsea to pay AC Milan a record £30.1 million fee for him and the 30-year-old now admits to having an ambition to play in the US before he retires.

river wolf, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 04:38 (eighteen years ago)

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river wolf, Tuesday, 22 May 2007 04:38 (eighteen years ago)


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