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YES I WOULD LOVE TO WORK FULLTIME FOR $400 A WEEK IN NEW YORK CITY YOU FUCKERS!!!!!!!!!!

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Monday, 1 August 2005 05:51 (twenty years ago)

Maybe I should make a fake email address and a fake word template listing reasons why they are assholes:

[x] Your salary is less than what is reasonable for an intern in a non technical field
[x] Your list of requirements is insane
Furthermore...
[x] You are assholes for even hoping that anyone qualified would be desperate enough to live below the poverty line.

and reply to these type of listings.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Monday, 1 August 2005 05:53 (twenty years ago)

ha, i was making $400 a week when i worked in retail!

― i can move move move any mountain (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 1 August 2005 05:54 (twenty years ago)

Are you trying to tell me that 6-grams-of-fat@or-less! isn't a real email address?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 1 August 2005 05:54 (twenty years ago)

isn't a fake email address, I mean. Shit.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 1 August 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

I have to apply for all the insulting job listings because there are too many brilliant overqualified unemployed people here willing to take work for which they will be underpaid. Therefore they get all the vaguely good work and I don't get a look in damn it. It is very depressing especially I could do a better job than half the fuckers I see getting employed for positions I applied for.

Not bitter, no not at all

― Menelaus Darcy (Menelaus Darcy), Monday, 1 August 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

I was making nearly double that directly out of high school (.com era.... but STILL).

Does anyone wanna help me write a template up for this so we can ZING bitches who post shitty job listings?

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Monday, 1 August 2005 05:59 (twenty years ago)

Maybe you should just focus on finding a job?

― Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

OH WAIT - ARE YOU THE GUY WITH THE EXCELLENT GOOGLE SKILLS?!!?! IF SO, PLEASE EMAIL ME ASAP I WILL HIRE YOU! BIG $$$$$! WHEN CAN YOU START?!

― Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:05 (twenty years ago)

$425 / WK

― Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:05 (twenty years ago)

I will find n00dz of Orbit for $425 a week.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:33 (twenty years ago)

HOW'S IT FEEL TO BE AN ART FAG, GULBERRY?

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

I make way more than $400 a week, son.

― Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:37 (twenty years ago)

Would you like a medal?

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

Yes, son. I would like that very much. This hat will do:

http://www.oz-q.com/cafepress-tcap-wbdad.jpg

― Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:52 (twenty years ago)

Good luck with your job hunting. Your mother and I are pulling for you.

― Dr. Glen Y. Abreu (dr g), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:52 (twenty years ago)

― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:53 (twenty years ago)

"Please also include your salary history."

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Monday, 1 August 2005 06:54 (twenty years ago)

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/sof/86248934.html

ALSO ABLE TO SUCK OWN COCK

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/sof/85546636.html

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

welcome to life.

― dog latin (dog latin), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:28 (twenty years ago)

> http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/sof/86248934.html

ha ha, they sure need a web guy if you've seen their website: http://flytrading.com

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 1 August 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

IT / Chief Technology Officer Wanted. $28-$30K per year.

― I'm Hi, Jared Fogle (ex machina), Sunday, 14 August 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/eng/94428764.html

We are looking to hire a fulltime PHP Rock Star programmer for an exciting New York based Web Development firm. ...
* Compensation: 35-37k yr

― the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

I got offered a fun, interesting job involving music and broadcasting earlier this week - and had to turn it down because they were paying EIGHT DOLLARS AN HOUR and IT WAS PART-TIME. WE LIVE IN THE CITY. MY RENT IS $1000 A MONTH MORANS.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Young guy actively mocking jobs that pay nearly $40k = ENTIRE PUBLISHING INDUSTRY WEEPS BITTER TEARS.

Jesus. I get over $40 even temporarily and I'm all like "hooray hooray I might be middle-class again!"

― nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

It is in New York City. I have a BS in computer science. I have made way way more than 40k before I got my degree and not in NYC.

― the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, dude, I know, I'm not comparing -- it's just funny to watch the divergence of mockable versus rolling-in-it across industries. $40k isn't so hot of a salary by any realistic standard, and this is why I have no intentions of ever again working in, say, publishing, an industry in which $40k might be considered quite nice.

― nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

I have a BS in computer science.

Haha! I love it when recent graduates say things like this.

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

I also love winding Jon up. Double fun!

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

i would be so so so so happy if i made $40K.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

It takes a few months before you're all "I have a blah-blah-blah in blah-blah" and then some homeless guy goes "so do I, now shut the hell up and hold this jar so I can pee in it."

― nabiscothingy, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

That's basically what I make, but I don't really do anything.

Did I mention I just found out I am being "groomed" for a promotion?

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

(xp)

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Really though - "Insulting" job listings. Jon sounds like my dad!

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

I got offered some contract work (probably fixing HTML code and such) at like $10 an hour, and I'm thinking to myself, is that REALLY all the market supports right now, or are they just aware that I'm broke? grr..

― dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

how do you pay $1000 a month in chicago, n/a? i lived by myself for $700, which was way more than what most of my friends paid. i know that was 3 years ago, but still.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

degrees aren't worth much anymore, jon! you should have been a plumber instead!

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

You liberal arts majors are funny!

― the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Jon, I studied engineering!

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

So did Wayne.

― the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

I was lying.

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

Young guy actively mocking jobs that pay nearly $40k = ENTIRE PUBLISHING INDUSTRY WEEPS BITTER TEARS.

hahaha so OTM. i nearly clicked off this thread earlier because i couldn't take it!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

Computing? Banking? Lawyering?

How QUAINT and TWENTIETH CENTURY!

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

I really hope I get the job at the non profit......

― the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

god, you'd love it.

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

The lunches are long and the shirts are skort.

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

and the product...more or less intangible.

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

i would love to make $40k, too :(

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

It is in New York City. I have a BS in computer science. I have made way way more than 40k before I got my degree and not in NYC.

Sounds like your ivory tower mentality is foolish! LOL!!!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

(I really should not post to this thread.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

If you did, it would be INSULTING!

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

and possibly UNCIVILIZED or INAPPROPRIATE.

― The last honest gentleman (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

everytime they talk about graduates earning more than those than didnt go to university, it seems tio jar with experiences i have heard of. i guess high-earners (maybe >$60000) need degrees but up to that point, seems like the people i know who never went to uni are doing much better than graduates.

ive got to say though, when i see this sort of thing I got offered a fun, interesting job involving music and broadcasting earlier this week, i do think....well...why not try an industry that pays better and is less insanely competetive? it may not be the same, but in the UK, all those fighting for £14000 jobs* in publishing, journalism, media in general etc are just on a highway to nowhere. i mean, those industries dont really generate money, so how could you make a living out of it?

*nowadays, this is more like "fighting for an unpaid internship" anyway

― ambrose (ambrose), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

Not really, Ambrose...seems you've got to do the £14k job for a year or so before promotion occurs; one of my colleagues started on £13k but after 18 months is up to £20k due to change in title but not necessarily duties. The reason it's so insanely competitive is that the money gets better after a while - and sometimes a very short while if one is motivated enough.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 1 September 2005 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

those industries dont really generate money, so how could you make a living out of it?

There's loads of money in the media sector. Entry level types don't see much of it, like suzy says, but the financial rewards are clearly there or there wouldn't be the demand to get into it. And the other rewards include a fun/interesting job in many cases. Some people don't want a boring job in an "industry that pays better and is less insanely competetive" .

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 1 September 2005 08:34 (nineteen years ago)

thats what im saying. ive got to say, that i dont know anyone that is terying to get into media jobs for the money. thats the last thing on their minds. its the interesting job that they want, and the fear of those "boring" jobs. i spent 2 years trying to apply for poorly paid jobs in various places, every monday getting the guardian, in something that might have been interesting, or at least in the sector i felt matched my own interests/backgrounds, until i juist got sick of it and retrained in an industry that is desperate for workers, and is fairly decently remunerated. and it wont be boring anyway! what i mean is there seems be little matching of applications to vacancies, ie looking at areas of work where there is demand for employees, and applying for those accordingly.

there is already great demand just to get intern jobs with little or no expenses given. theses jobs, like runners, often end up getting nowhere for years. at a similar age, people doing the course i am doing (with completely different backgrounds to what thecourse involves) have found salaried, permanent positions before the course is up, with little job searching involved. those with a bit mroe experience have been picking and choosing from 5 or 6 job offers.

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 1 September 2005 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

hey lets not knock the plumbers...two of my good friends are plumbers and both make over 90k.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Thursday, 1 September 2005 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

I recently plumbed for the first time and found that I enjoyed it. I should have been a lady plumber. Maybe it's not too late? I would enjoy wearing a toolbelt.

― The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 1 September 2005 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

All of you should be in Information Security. Then you wouldn't have to be so jealous of the plumbers.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 September 2005 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

I kind of want to be a part-time electrician.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 September 2005 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

(ie, Wiring fascinates me but I have no desire to put any effort into learning the trade, so when they come up with a pill that you can swallow which will dump information directly into your brain plz sign me up for the clinical trials.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 September 2005 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just jealous of plumber's attire.

― O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Thursday, 1 September 2005 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Are you jealous of plumber's crack?

― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 1 September 2005 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

how do you pay $1000 a month in chicago, n/a? i lived by myself for $700, which was way more than what most of my friends paid. i know that was 3 years ago, but still.
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), August 31st, 2005 5:21 PM. (hstencil) (later)

Um, I don't know? We have a nice apartment? We have a 2-bedroom apt.? We live in Wicker Park and didn't you live further east, like in that more industrial area? We could find a cheaper place and thought about trying to move but decided that the hassle and expense of moving wasn't worth leaving our apartment (which we like a lot) and the difference in rent.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 1 September 2005 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

do you mean $1000 total for both of you, nick?

― Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 1 September 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

$1000 total for a two-bedroom on those blocks is squarely in the perfectly-normal range, maybe even trending toward pretty-good. I was in a $1200 two-bedroom back there, though the place was grand enough -- two living rooms! -- to keep me from getting too envious of everyone on the other sides of Western and Armitage ("for that much money the four of us rent this whole crapped-out house! plus yard and garage! $300 each, man").

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 September 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

But so point being if it was $1000 each I'd be mildly shocked. Let's just assume it's $1000 total, so we don't have to go prying into N + S's financial situations.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 September 2005 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

No no no! I demand n/a and SM post their 2004 income tax returns so that we can get to the bottom of this fascinating mystery!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 September 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Our 1BR in Arlington VA is $1250, which is about average for that area, maybe even a little low for our specific neighborhood. I mean the SFH across the street was listed to sell at $1M and a penthouse unit down the way we walk to the metro was $1.5M. Not that sale prices and rent have anything to do with each other in the modern world. A 1BR in some of the "high"rises one or two blocks to the [random direction] is usually $1350+.

To understand how little sense any of this makes for DC please see the GS pay scale, available online from the federal government. Most folks start at 9 step 1! Rolling in it!!

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 September 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

It's 1000 total, so 500 each.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 1 September 2005 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

my new toronto apt is $1850 for a two bedroom. yeesh.

― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 1 September 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

ah i thot you meant $1k each, which is insane. i didn't live that much further east, only about 4 blocks or so east of ashland, in a residential spot.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Tombot, how do I get started in infosec? Would I pass normal background checks -- no law trouble, minor drug use?

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Thursday, 1 September 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

You should... UNLESS THEY FIND OUT ABOUT ILX

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 1 September 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah $1000 for a two-bedroom is really cheap, actually. 40G is crap in New York, it's do-able in Chicago...

― Frank Sinatra (dymaxia), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

nytimes.com search=jobs keywords=information+security JUST MAYBE A BS IN CS WILL GET YOU A FOOT IN THE DOOR.

Honestly my experience is that 99% of infosec professionals came from a CS or Telco background and just kind of tripped, fell over and ended up being responsible for traffic analysis or incident handling or auditing and moved on up. I mean I got into it being a CRYPTOLINGUIST for crying out loud. With very little exception almost all my graduate instructors are from a military background, because DISA and DOD laid the groundwork for modern infosec practices back in the 1980s.

One of my fellow students who is pretty sharp got his BSCS in the midwest and wound up working for one of the Big Four as an IT auditor. It sucked, but it got him credentials for doing much more interesting stuff elsewhere.

NB if you want to practice the things you would probably be doing I recommend getting Snort + Ethereal + nMap for OS X and possibly dyadsecurity's UnicornScan if you want something truly weapons-grade* and then watch yourself scan people while you get scanned by the Chinese et al. Familiarity with network noise, SNMP/TCP/UDP/ICMP/IP behavior and common exploits will hopefully get you a long way in an interview.

*I am not using this as a colorful modifier

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

I've been using nmap+snort+ethereal since high school. Several times in a professional context. :D I'm very familiar with what network protocols. (So nytimes is good for jobs? hmmm)

Thanks...

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm always surprised by how many CS peeps have NEVER done protocol analysis or packet sniffing. It seems so elemental to the job.

I sent a friend of mine a reading list a little while ago when he started asking about getting employed here:

http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-31/sp800-31.pdf
http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-41/sp800-41.pdf
http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/nistpubs/800-61/sp800-61.pdf

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

I have a lot of work experience and I feel like that using the standard 1 page college graduate resumé hurts me as a lot of my skills, experience and academic background are omitted. I'm concerned that people won't realize the amount of "real world" stuff I've done. Also, I am concerned that people grepping for words across a bunch of resumés will discount my resumé. I don't have the word "perl" for example!

xpost thanks.

Tom, I've been reading PHRACK, etc. since I was like 14. I implemented IPSEC a few times....

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

I've done plenty of packet sniffing.

― I don't doubt it, my friend, I don't doubt it (nordicskilla), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Goddamn, I love to sniff me some packets.

― I don't doubt it, my friend, I don't doubt it (nordicskilla), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

40G is crap in New York, it's do-able in Chicago...

one could easily live in nyc on 40gs. i know plenty of people who live comfortably here for less.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I'm almost certainly going to be living in NY on

― Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Joel, I have a HUGE COKE HABIT.

Laura, did you try to type a <? You need to type < instead.

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. :( it should have read < 30K. Although it's kind of apropos that the html reduced it to nothing.

― Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

You see, this is why I deserve the big bucks -- my MASTERY of HTML character entities!!!!

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Laura, how is the MAC

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

i "live" on something like $180 right now, even with the coke habit.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

It is beautiful and perfect in every way and I am never going back. All is forgiven.
xpost

― Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 1 September 2005 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

one could easily live in nyc on 40gs. i know plenty of people who live comfortably here for less.

I don't see how that's possible with rents and all, but maybe New Yorkers are settling for less these days.

― Frank Sinatra (dymaxia), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

good, cheap places aren't difficult to find, if you look for them.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, like places that are on the verge of "gentrifying"

― Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

What's a "cheap" one bedroom over there these days?

― Frank Sinatra (dymaxia), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Crypto-gentrification coding: "I hear a rumor there's a Starbucks being put in soon"

― Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

I almost paid $40 rent a month to sleep in a walk in closet with use of bathroom, living room and kitchen in Rochester, NY once. But it was at my ex's so I think it would have probably turned into a needy-person fuckfest.

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, like places that are on the verge of "gentrifying"

nope. britishes girl has a cheap apartment in a good hood.

What's a "cheap" one bedroom over there these days?

that's your problem right there. only an asshole (or ddb) would want or think they'd be able to afford a 1br in nyc.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Umm, I'd guess that an absolutely massive chunk of New Yorkers live on way less than $40k a year, including significant proportions of e.g. publishing peons, Puerto Ricans, video store employees, old people, non-profit workers, manual laborers, and just about everyone else imaginable. Last I saw, $40k was higher than average for Manhattan residents, and that's an average that includes significant proportions of e.g. lawyers and Murdochs, who throw a curve more effectively than welfare recipients. If you needed anywhere near that much to live, nine out of ten businesses in the city would suddenly have no staff.

In any case: you can live perfectly twenty-something middle-class on $40k in NYC, absolutely no problem. I was about to post the math on it, but whatever. Yeah, if you're saddled with a lot of debt, or for some reason need to live in a more expensive neighborhood, you're, well, not exactly going to be buying yourself new shoes all the time. But you'd have to have a pretty strange situation not to be able to feed yourself and live fairly young-white-people normally for $40k. The only really bad part of it will be the realization that if you lived anywhere else you'd have disposable income to throw around on treats.

The part where NYC becomes prohibitively expensive is when you want to own housing and have kids. This is why we have people who work in New York but have to live halfway into Pennsylvania -- people in what once might have been solid, core-of-the-community lower-middle-class jobs who couldn't possibly afford to buy housing and/or educate their kids very well anywhere in a massive radius.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Jon, send me your resume and I'll see if I can chop it down for you without making it dumb. I've done it to about two dozen resumes since they started making me do phone screens on candidates here. You have my e-mail because I bounced a bunch of songs off your address for no good reason back like 6 months ago. MHO is that nobody reads more than one page of a resume UNLESS they're just grepping for keywords.

Obviously the best thing to do is to go over the descriptions of jobs you want and then use all THOSE keywords!

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

My point was "Why should I work for $40k when I can make $ALARGERNUMBER?" not "I CAN'T LIVE ON $40K :((( OMG".

Geez.

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

READ MORE CAREFULLY JONNY I WASN'T RESPONDING TO YOU I WAS RESPONDING TO K GEEZ

xposting back past Stencil: Yeah, I think part of the problem people have with imagining affording NYC -- one of the problems I had, really -- was trying to budget what you'd pay to live in the same kind of apartment you live in wherever you're coming from. Which just isn't how it works. If you paid $800 for your own massive, well-situated one-bedroom back home, you don't come here and look for massive, well-situated one-bedrooms -- you come here and look for whatever costs $800, which might turn out to be a tiny, poorly-lit studio in Washington Heights.

Which is probably equivalent to K's "settling for less," but not in every sense.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I get a little defensive because I am often accused of being a yuppie douchebag by liberal arts majors.

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

even when i made $55k when i first moved back here i didn't think it was reasonable to expect to live by myself.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

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