Terry Gilliam's Brothers Grimm

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I am insanely relieved to see Terry Gilliam back in fine form, much less doing a project that looks so incredibly FUN.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Matt Damon looks like an (original) Oompa Loompa!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

There was an unfavourable review of it on AICN, but then again AICN is staffed by dicks.

― chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

If every critic in the world panned a Terry Gilliam movie I'd still go and see it.

― Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

heath ledger, huh?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm skeptical but hopeful... I was more excited about the Don Quixote project...

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 8 August 2005 17:38 (twenty years ago)

I saw some of that documentary about the attempted making of Don Quixote and I was disappointed because he wasn't trying to make a film of the book.

― Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

I hadn't even heard about this until I saw a trailer for it; looked it up and he made it like 3 years ago and it's been delayed for all number of reasons. NOt usually a good sign. He's finished another movie since then which sounds better as well.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

but strict allegiance to source material has never been Gilliam's modus operandi!

x-post

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 8 August 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

I never heard about this at all either until I saw the preview, which did not really convince me of its quality.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 8 August 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I know, but I love Don Quixote and would've loved a Gilliam-esque telling of it rather than one of those modern story/old story dialectics.

― Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

The AICN review: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=20879

I actually am sort of turned on by the idea of ol' TG making an obvious, predictable film, if only for a little variety in his catalog.

Also, I feel that history has been extremely unfair to Baron von Munchausen, especially in Lost in La Mancha, which, in a way, saddled his career woes entirely on that film's lack of commercial success.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

God, it's been seven years since Fear and Loathing already?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

this whole movie should be monica belluci.

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

god yes

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

I've always thought Gilliam should film one of Iain M. Banks' books. Imagine how gorgeous it would look.

― chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Haha, remember the last time Monica Bellucci was in a historical horror epic? That was in The Brotherhood of the Wolf, one of the worst movie of the naughties.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, that was a link to my IMDb comment of the film, rather than the main page.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

Munchausen is probably my favorite Gilliam film. that or Time Bandits.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 8 August 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Brotherhood of the Wolf - fuck you for not being about werewolves.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Matt Damon looks like he may actually be quite good in this film which shicks me a bit.

heath ledger, huh?

yeah. has anyone ever liked him?

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

shicks shocks

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:55 (twenty years ago)

When has Matt Damon not been good?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

this film is from the years when people thought heath ledger would have a career

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)

Apparently Monica Bellucci plays some kind of vampire or something that sustains her beauty by drinking the blood of VIRGINS. So boner worthy.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Have you seen The Talented Mr. Ripley? That was like one of the best performances of the nineties?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

*shame* I liked Heath Ledger in both Knights Tale AND Four Feathers. *shame*

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

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― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Oh shit, AND Lords of Dogtown!

xpost!

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 August 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

WTF, Brotherhood of the Wolf is great!! Or at least it's fun, if only because 18th century Frenchman having martial arts fights makes so little sense. Sure, it's an incoherent mess, but why is that bad exactly?

― stewart downes (sdownes), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

yes, Tuomas, i've seen The Talented Mr. Ripley. Damon's is like the 6th best performance in the movie.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

This is clearly a case where the director of the movie means more to me than anyone in it. ("Matt...Da...mon...")

I saw Munchausen during its opening run and I'm damn glad I did. So deserves to always and only be seen on the big screen.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

I don't mind Matt Damon, but Tuomas, you're acting like there's this great consensus that he's one of the finest actors of his time, which is v. amusing to me right now.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

Brotherhood of the Wolf was bad because it had all the makings of a great trashfest, and it ruined everything by taking it's ridiculous script seriously.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

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Even if this movie somehow sucks goat balls, it has made me very very happy for, at the least, giving me a reason to google image search Monica Bellucci.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

Philip Hoffman, Jude Law, Cate Blanchette, James Rebhorn & Gywnneth Paltrow are all better than Damon in that film.

― jed_ (jed), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:06 (twenty years ago)

I predict Matt Damon will become the Bill Murray of our generation... I haven't seen a single bad film with him in it, plus he has a lot more range than Murray. I even liked The Legend of Bagger Vance.

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Fuck all you haters, without Damon that film would've been nothing!

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Has Gilliam ever made a bad movie? I can't remember any.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

I don't think so. Time Bandits is kinda uneven, but all the other are classic.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:11 (twenty years ago)

Haven't seen Jabberwocky though.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and Holy Grail is the worst of the Monty Python films. But it's still good.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

time bandits is totally his best!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Even if this vehicle only really serves as a hype-building machine for Tideland, it will have served a great purpose.

I'm sort of in overload right now: no new Gilliam flick for SEVEN YEARS, and now TWO in the SAME YEAR! Love.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

nick, you needed a reason?

― mark p (Mark P), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

Time Bandits is near peerless but his absolute best...hm, hard to say! I see his career in general as a series of excellences occasionally compromised or not totally up to snuff but never outright failing. Hard for me to be balanced about him, though!

And yeah, Tideland is what I'm really waiting on now...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

Holy Grail is better than And Now For Something Completely Different and The Meaning of Life. Jabberwocky is kinda like Holy Grail 2 but with added Gilliam cynicism.

― Anti-Pope Consortium (noodle vague), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

but his absolute best...hm, hard to say!

I think Brazil would be the safe, canonical pick.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

jabberwocky is his worst film by far. Brazil is his best.

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:21 (twenty years ago)

and the Fisher King is his second worst movie, but it's still awfully good

― kyle (akmonday), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

I like The Fisher King and Fear and Loathing the most. As good as all his films are, I think he's at his best when he has a serious restraint (the former), or no restraint at all (the latter). Time Bandits is kinda half-assed in this regard, maybe Brazil too.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 8 August 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

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"Mars Attacks!" should have been about 15 minutes shorter.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

brazil is still great.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:03 (twenty years ago)

haha mars attacks could be 12 hours long and i would still be laughing at 'earth... and mars...' and ACK ACK ACK

― 3, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:04 (twenty years ago)

Why the references to all of these old Tim Burton movies? I haven't seen Brothers Grimm yet but it can't possibly be as bad as Planet of the Apes, Big Fish or Charlie & the Chocolate Factory.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

Tim Burton and Terry Gilliam are both pretty horribly overrated, cmon y'all.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

a couple of "winners" in their resume, aside.

― gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

Sleepy Hollow is one of my favorite '90s films - beautiful, moody, even the shitty dialogue fits.

This was just terrible. I kept expecting some of that Gilliam visual magic - a fisheye lens here or just the right color scheme there. But no, it was just grimy and dark and ugly.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 1 September 2005 01:03 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

I saw this on the plane and really enjoyed it. OK so I was hepped up on cold medicine, booze and altitude but it was good fun. Grimy, dark and ugly was what it was menat to be about.

― Ed (dali), Friday, 23 December 2005 08:21 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

Ed seconded vis a vis high enjoyability factor while slightly addled.
I think I may eventually add this to the permanent DVD collection.
Peter Stormare is increasingly becoming one of my favorite character actors, I wish he was in more movies that I could stand to watch more than once or twice (cf. Armageddon, Constantine).

Did anybody else think of Andrew Farrell while watching Heath Ledger's performance here? Esp. everything after "I Can't Hold Me Ale!!!"

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

Haha I saw this thread on New Answers and thought "I really hope someone is posting to say 'It's all bullshit, this film is great!' because then I'll go get it".

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 15:32 (twenty years ago)

ooh, i hadn't heard of this - is it out in the uk?

― dog latin (dog latin), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 15:36 (twenty years ago)

I must see this again having just read Q by Luther Blisset, they seem to fit together.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 15:39 (twenty years ago)

to answer Jimmy Mod's taking sides way the hell up thread, it's Madeline Stowe.

Also this movie really isn't terrible at all, I don't know what the 5 other people who saw it are talking about.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Also what the fuck is Tuomas' problem with Brotherhood Of The Wolf?

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 1 March 2006 15:48 (twenty years ago)

probably that it isn't a good movie.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 15:51 (twenty years ago)

I think it was something about animal abuse and batman.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

xpost - So you're saying he only likes good movies, not great ones? It fits the profile.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

no, clearly that's not true because he likes the Talented Mr. Ripley which is one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:14 (twenty years ago)

Too fucking right.

― Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:15 (twenty years ago)

Not only was Matt Damon not the best performance in that film, he's not even the best performance of Tom Ripley put to any film. I prefer him in this type of movie, or the Bourne movies, or mostly any movie besides that one actually.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

has there ever been a good movie with the word "wolf" in the title? apart from "the wolf man" obv.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:14 (twenty years ago)

Tim Burton and Terry Gilliam are both pretty horribly overrated, cmon y'all.

-- gear (speed.to.roa...), September 1st, 2005.

a couple of "winners" in their resume, aside.

-- gear (speed.to.roa...), September 1st, 2005.

otm

― latebloomer: where dignity goes to die (latebloomer), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:16 (twenty years ago)

has there ever been a good movie with the word "wolf" in the title?

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― phil d. (Phil D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 00:20 (twenty years ago)

I rather like The Talented Mr Ripley for what it isn't: a pathetic and rather monstrous filmization of gay panic. I could forget Matt Damon and concentrate on the deliciousness of the other performers (Philip Seymour Hoffman, Jude Law, a not-bad Gwyneth Paltrow, who's not the cow Marge is in the novel).

Then I saw Malkovich in Ripley's Game and thought, "Holy shit." The way in which he turns a banal line like "Would you like some tea?" into a creepy insinuation is one of the best acting jobs I've seen in recent years.

How is Ledger's perf in Brothers Grimm? I'm curious to know how it's regarded post-Brokeback, i.e. A Harbinger of Greatness to Come

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 2 March 2006 02:19 (twenty years ago)

My god, I forgot about Ripley's Game. I was thinking of Hopper as the original Tom Ripley on film when I made my comment! This makes Damon the 3rd best Ripley now. Yikes-o-rama.

Ledger is good in Bros Grimm! Almost unrecognizable as Heath Ledger, previous cheesy movie "star." It definitely displays he has acting chops besides being really, really good looking (to quote one Derek Zoolander). But I've yet to see Brokeback...

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:03 (twenty years ago)

This movie was utterly forgettable.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:09 (twenty years ago)

Being memorable is an overrated quality, sometimes.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:10 (twenty years ago)

True. Given another year or two, I may not remember how awful the writing was.

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:13 (twenty years ago)

zing!!

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:15 (twenty years ago)

Ally, have you ever Purple Noon with Alain Delon? If not, you might want to. Your rankings may have to be revised again.

― phil d. (Phil D.), Thursday, 2 March 2006 12:41 (twenty years ago)

SHE NEVER HIM.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 2 March 2006 12:50 (twenty years ago)

I have NOT seen Purple Noon. Man, Damon is looking worse and worse now.

― Allyzay Rofflesberger (allyzay), Thursday, 2 March 2006 15:11 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...

the reviews for Tideland are terrible beyond terrible

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dear.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it's really the one to kick this year.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

the trailer looks ridiculous

― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

the trailer was... weird. I never saw the Brothers Grimm, but recently bought the Time Bandits Criterion DVD, which made me pine for more Gilliam... wish he coulda made the Man of La Mancha.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

this is interesting: Sarah Polly emails Gilliam about her traumatizing experiences making Munchausen

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

the difference here being that by almost all accounts the little girl in Tideland is awful, where Polly was pretty good

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

Reading the Rotten Tomatoes summaries of Tideland should constitute some kind of drinking game; every time a review makes a wisecrack about the film ending with a train wreck, take a shot.

― nate p. (natepatrin), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

Reading the thoughts upthread, I'd just like to chip in briefly: Brazil and Twelve Monkeys are amongst the most amazing films I've ever seen, the latter a movie that tries (and more or less succeeds) to be everything, comedy, drama, sci-fi, romance, satire, thriller, even war movie(!), and despite a predictable plot resolution manages to exert a genuine sense of pathos and tragedy. The former, however, is the gem. For all but the last thirty seconds we watch a puzzling, beautiful, sweet, hilarious, emotional, escapist fantasy of the highest imaginable order.

And then we're treated to what I believe is the most devastating final scene in movie history. Jesus, the expression on his face is something that will never, ever leave me.

Yeah, so here's hoping Tideland isn't as excruciating as they're all claiming up Metacritic...

― You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

Here is the best way I can accurately describe Tideland: the most awkward any film has ever made me feel.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:58 (nineteen years ago)

It is the only movie he's ever made I wouldn't recommend anyone ever watch.

― got yourself a fish biscuit! (nickalicious), Thursday, 19 October 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

So OTFM about Tideland making you feel akward like no other film has. I seem to have forgotten most of the movie (saw it 5 months ago approx.) but from what I remember I'm willing to bet that the little girl is gonna grow up all traumatised and shit what with playing in both this movie and in Silent Hill.

― Jibé (Jibé), Friday, 20 October 2006 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

In my usual dilatory way, I just saw Brothers Grimm on dvd last night. It was pretty much vintage Gilliam and every frame of it was steeped in his typical sensibility. Mr. G has an unmistakable sense of design, character and narrative that no one else even tries to mimic. He is a one man parade, but an entertaining one.

The script delivered his usual message about the soul-redemptive quality of fantasy, as opposed to the horrors of rationality, which I must say is a pretty unimaginative and piss-poor message in a lot of ways. But since watching a movie is a two-hour exercise in suspended disbelief, the message is not very important after the movie ends and reality reasserts itself.

Yes, I would recommend it, fwiw.

― Aimless, Sunday, 1 November 2009 19:42 (sixteen years ago)

wow this came out in the end? reading palin's diaries TG comes across as loveable and eccentric in the way i hoped he would.

― piscesx, Sunday, 1 November 2009 20:40 (sixteen years ago)

interesting, guess I'll check it out. the tepid reviews put me off it since it sounded like "gilliam-for-hire", although the horrifying stuff I heard about Tideland makes me wonder if 'for-hire' is better than "gilliam-auteur". still want to see the new one though.

― akm, Sunday, 1 November 2009 21:55 (sixteen years ago)

three years pass...

Man but this was teal and oranged something chronic.

― as a chocolate salesperson (ledge), Sunday, 13 October 2013 22:04 (twelve years ago)

I like big budget Gilliam though, watched Baron Munchausen yesterday and for all its quirky charm it didn't hold my attention half as much.

― as a chocolate salesperson (ledge), Sunday, 13 October 2013 22:08 (twelve years ago)

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― as a chocolate salesperson (ledge), Sunday, 13 October 2013 22:51 (twelve years ago)

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