10 Things Every Single Girl Must Own

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=4320&TrackingID=516311&BannerID=544657&menuid=7

1. A fabulous photo of yourself
We all have that photo: The one where your smile, hair, and (let's be honest) bod all come together in one sexy little package, whether it's that snapshot from your hike in the Grand Canyon or that cocktail party photo where you're dressed to kill. Post that sucker at eye level on your fridge so your male guest can't help but notice it as he checks out if you have beer (see item #5). What he says: "Is that you?" What he means: "Daa-aamn, girl, you're hotter than I realized!" Keep a digital version handy so you can email it to online suitors or blind dates who want a glimpse of the goods beforehand. And never, ever throw it away—when you're 80-something it'll serve as an instant reminder that back in the day, you were a total dish!

2. A pretty pair of heels
Admit it. You feel like Maria from West Side Story (You feel pretty, oh so pretty…) when you slip on a pair of nice heels. The good news is that these days, you can transform virtually any outfit to make it on-the-town ready by adding heels to a skirt, jeans, cropped khakis, whatever. And no, they don't have to be towering stilettos, even a pair of 1-inch kitten heels will make you stride a little more confidently. (Added bonus: The taller you are, the more cute men you'll be able to see around the room.)

3. An Eminem CD
What's one of the first places a guy peruses when he walks into a woman's home? Her music collection. Good for you if you have an extensive one. But if all he sees is a stack of girl bands (say, the Indigo Girls, the Go-Go's, Joni Mitchell and the Bridget Jones' Diary soundtrack), he's going to panic. Balance out your collection with one CD, any CD, by Eminem and you have no idea how relieved he'll be. It shows you have an open mind and aren't easily offended—and that's music to any man's ears.

4. A great pickup line... and a way to blow 'em off
In this post-chivalrous period, we can't always depend on guys to initiate contact, so prepare thyself with one simple, non-cheesy icebreaker to lay on that cutie who's making his way to your area of the bar. Our favorite: "Hi. Having fun?" (Though a friend of mine has recently taken to asking well-dressed men, "Hetero, homo or metro?") And in cases when a guy initiates contact and you're not interested, better have a better blow-off than "Ummmm, no... " Our suggestion: "Sorry, I don't think the guy I'm seeing would appreciate it." Sure, it's a lie, but it'll let him down easy—without destroying his ego or making him think you're a jerk.

5. A six-pack of good bottled beer
A prepared single girl is ready to host and toast at any time. If you want to make a guy-guest feel at home and your girlfriends feel special, skip the mass-produced swill and go for microbrews like the exotically-named Smuttynose Shoals Pale Ale from Portsmouth, New Hampshire or the grandfather of microbrews, Sam Adams Boston Lager.

6. Bathroom reading
What man doesn't appreciate finding interesting reading in his sweetie's bathroom? So instead of tossing out your magazines when you're done reading them, toss them into a basket by the toilet. No need to go overboard with a stack of Sports Illustrated (if you don't follow sports, that would just be weird), but consider Newsweek or even Cosmopolitan (hey, this may be the only time he's a captive audience and can learn a few things). Or, just buy a book that's made for the bathroom, like Schott's Original Miscellany by Ben Schott ($10.17 at amazon.com) so he can learn a few things about shoelace lengths and sign language while he passes the, uh, time.

7. A business card
After the age of 18, it's no longer cute to scrawl your first name and phone number on a napkin and hand it to a man who wants to call you. So if your job doesn't provide a card or you'd prefer one with your personal email address and phone number on it, then have some made at your local Kinko's. The very budget-bound can get 250 full-color business cards for free from vistaprint.com if you don't mind the company's logo on the backside of the card. Hey, it's better than nothing. A napkin he can lose. A card he'll file and keep.

8. Earplugs
Ah, there's nothing sweeter than a man who wants to cuddle up with you in bed for a long night's sleep. Unless — SNZZGGHGHRRJJZZZ! — he snores so loudly you can't get any sleep. Prepare thyself for surprise snorers with a pair of earplugs stashed in your nightstand. (2 pairs of Mack's brand self-described "snore-proof" plugs sell for $2.79 at cvs.com.)

9. A straight male friend on your speed-dial
Every girl knows she needs a gay male friend she can go to for fashion advice (a personal Queer Eye for Your Closet). But when it comes to relationship advice, you need another source. While your female friends may have good intentions, if you really want to know if you should call that guy, save the guesswork and go to someone who's been there, done that.

10. A condom
Hey ladies, you know the drill by now. If you want to be able to have spontaneous fun of the bodily kind, you have to prepare for it yourself. You can't always count on him to have something in his back pocket—or a 24-hour drugstore on the route home. (Your new mantra: If you don't want it to break, you buy it.)

She had me some parts, then lost me on others...

What's the ILX single girl list?

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.hiddenself.com/images/products/wand.jpg

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 18:48 (twenty years ago)

http://www.exclamationsextoystore.com/images/opulent%20superslim%20vibrator.jpg

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

well, my self control has got the best of me, but i still can't help typing:
#1: A COOTCH

Fetchboy (Felcher), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I'd put vibrator way above an Eminem CD and bathroom reading. WTF is wrong with her?

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

also, msn's #1 is just stupid. i mean, if a girl wants a nice picture of herself, that's cool, but guys dont really give a shit about that.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sexwoordenboek.nl/assets/active/buttplug_small.gif

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

haha! i just read this. the men's is way worse! it's all about dropping loads of cash to have soft sheets & soft lighting!

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

kenan, i think i'd actually agree with the plug.

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh fucking fuck. I really screwed up that code up there.

Anyways, my list:
1. Toys!
2. A pet -- because if you have to constantly deal with the shit of someone furry, at least you can justify it if they have no thumbs of their own
3. Pair of awesome yet totally impractical pair of shoes. (If you're like me, you have about 6 pairs of those.)
4. Official hangout spot
5. Some sort of independence -- well, some money and plan of what to do in case of emergencies, even if its nothing more than call the 'rents and drop a few tears
6. Eclectic group of friends to keep life interesting
7. A sense of security with being single. It's really not the end of the world.
8. A hobby
9. A crush or two -- doesn't hurt
10. Some fucking confidence. You'll only be young and single once. Enjoy the hell out of it.

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

you can be young and single several times

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

a way to blow 'em off

Alright!!

would you please stop screaming? (pr00de), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

If some girl gave me a business card that wasn't a business card, but her home number and personal email that she got printed at Kinko's, I'd think she was either an egomaniac or a hooker.

already disheveled hair projection (wetmink), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

What an idiotic list (MSN's, that is). I hope you don't drop 5 as soon as you have a boyfriend, Candicissima!

Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Haha...that's actually why I dropped the bf way back when! I was a little too independent and he was crowding me/taking up too much brain space.

Candicissima (candicissima), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

xxpost: no kidding, add a cellphone to that list.

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Why does the list focus exclusively on IMPRESSING GUYS?

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:37 (twenty years ago)

OK, not exclusively, but like half of it is.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

has anyone read the list for guys yet?

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

haha! i just read this. the men's is way worse! it's all about dropping loads of cash to have soft sheets & soft lighting!

link? i can't find it.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

i don't know how to link since it's via my hotmail account . . . but here's a cut & paste.

1. A top-notch coffee/espresso maker
Any girl who’s at your place for dinner (or lounging in your bed come morning) deserves a classier send-off than “see ya,” so trade in your college-days $20 coffee maker for a machine that’ll give Starbucks a run for its money. The professional-quality Delonghi “Caffe Figaro” Coffee/Espresso Machine ($230, macys.com) uses steam pressure to brew a superior espresso; the built-in milk frother allows her to request a latte or cappuccino. Toss in a $20 electric grinder — fresh grounds are a must for a quality caffeine fix — and you'll make her feel like a princess without breaking out the whole breakfast-in-bed shtick.

2. A lamp in your bedroom
Raise your hand if the only source of light in your bedroom is that garish overhead fixture that was there when you first moved in. Now, all of you, go out and buy a bedside lamp with a fabric shade. This inexpensive trifle is not lost on women, who not only see it as a sign of your civility (imagine that, a light switch within arm’s reach vs. across the room!), she’ll also feel much more comfortable under its softer, more forgiving glow. (Ikea.com has a large selection in the $10 to $40 range that should satisfy any man’s tastes without siphoning his savings.)

3. Swiffer Sweeper + Swiffer Cloths + Swiffer Wet Cloths
For her, walking across your floor barefoot should not be an exercise in muck tolerance. To that end, the Swiffer is the greatest thing to happen to the lazy man since the remote control. As simple as this cloth-on-a-stick looks, the electrostatically charged sheets suck up dust, hair and dirt in no time, and the Wet Cloths will make quick work of your bathroom floor—a necessity if you ever want her to visit again.

4. A comfortable couch
Repeat after me: You do not need a black leather couch. Skip the cliché and pick out a plush upholstered sofa, like the simple, elegant, under $1,000 Mercer at Roomandboard.com. And no matter what style you buy, play it safe and pick a neutral or muted color, then purchase a couple of pillows with stripes or a bold, masculine pattern to jazz it up and prove you aren’t your average lug when it comes to home décor.

5. Nice underwear
When it comes to your love life, the last thing you want is for your underwear to be a mood-killer, and trust me, the following selections will make her recoil: Tighty whities; underwear featuring cartoon characters, or anything that resembles what a woman would wear. (Bikini briefs? Heaven help you.) Even silk boxers, no matter how nice, can send a sleazy vibe, so stick with something basic, like Calvin Klein cotton boxers or boxer briefs. Splurge on at least two weeks' worth and throw out the others, lest you’re tempted to don a ratty pair and put off doing laundry—you never know when opportunity will strike.

6. A key-ring that can fix, cut, and open anything
Sure, your power-tool collection is outstanding—but it'll do you no good sitting in your closet when your date's sunglasses come apart at the restaurant. Show off how useful you can be by whipping out the tiny-but-powerful Leatherman Micra key-ring (leatherman.com). The two-and-a-half-inch, 1.75-ounce stainless-steel multi-tool combines scissors, tweezers, nail file, ruler, bottle opener, three screwdrivers, and a blade (of course). You’ll be amazed how indispensable it (and you, by extension) will become to her.

7. $150+ jeans
Why cough up that much dough when you can find a seemingly-fine pair for much less? Because designer denim does make a difference—and you can wear them everywhere from a dive bar to a five-star restaurant, if paired with the right shirt and suit jacket. Check out stores that carry Diesel, Evisu, Paper Denim & Cloth, or Seven. Since every pair of jeans fits differently, you will need to try a few on: Err on the side of too tight as opposed to too baggy, as jeans do stretch a bit as they are broken in. Choose a pair that isn't too trendy (warning signs include more than five pockets, garish stitching, and too much "distress," like rips or bleaching) unless you're willing to buy into next season's style as well.

8. $200+ dress shoes
Accept it: Girls are into footwear, and your feet will be one of the first things she looks at. Invest in quality black leather tie-ups — which will never go out of fashion and will match with most any jeans, pants or suit — to make a great first impression every time. If she knows her shoes, she'll be hoping to find you could afford a pair of Bruno Magli, Kenneth Cole, Steve Madden, or John Varvatos. Sure, they’re not cheap, but hey, it could be worse: We could be the ones in heels.

9. 300-thread-count cotton sheets
Let’s face it: You (and hopefully your date) will be spending a lot of quality time here. So skip the scratchy polyester blends and splurge on some 100-percent Egyptian cotton sheets with a thread count of 300—the higher the thread count, the softer the sheet. It’ll run you around $120 for a queen-size set (for a good selection, check out bedbathandbeyond.com), but anything that might keep her in bed longer is worth the expense, right?

10. The Joy of Cooking
Few things are sexier than a guy who can cook... but if toasting Pop-Tarts is the extent of your expertise? Then get Joy, the bible of all cookbooks since, unlike its trendier, more specialized alternatives like Nigella Lawson or Rocco DiSpirito, it contains recipes for just about anything you could think to make, all laid out with instructions that even an alien from another planet could figure out. So go ahead, invite her over for something simple (vegetarian chili, for instance) or exotic (Chicken Kiev, anyone?) and learn that the way to a woman’s heart is through her stomach, too.

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

The man's list is equally stupid, but redeems itself by twice using the phrase "splurge on", once for underwear and once for sheets! Heehee. http://msn.match.com/msn/article.aspx?articleid=4319&menuid=6

Also, it is really pricey! I don't think I could afford to be a single man.

Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

Oh, x-post!

Cathy (Cathy), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

The Swiffer is the worst invention of the last five years. Get one mop.

The Original Jimmy Mod: A Negro (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

at least you knew how to do the linky thing!

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

What's so impressive or notable about an Eminem record? Who the hell would see that and think someone is cool?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

What's Gareth doing in that article on things men must have?

Dave B (daveb), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

The swiffer is fine as long as you also mop regularly. Sometimes you don't need grime removal, just cat hair control.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

And what if you hate coffee, like a lot? Fuck off, listmaker!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

It shows you have an open mind and aren't easily offended—and that's music to any man's ears.

Answer your question? Also an option -- taking him in the ass.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

"This inexpensive trifle is not lost on women, who not only see it as a sign of your civility..."

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

"Accept it: Girls are into footwear"

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

i just hate the assumption that to nab a woman, you need all these fancy & spendy things. like $200 shoes. i'd wonder what planet a guy lived on if he spent that much on shoes. or $150 on jeans, while i'm on the topic.

kelsey (kelstarry), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

We have an espresso maker, but don't know how to use it!

Anyway, yeah, the guy's list is totally Queer Eye. They forgot to mention hair product, though!

Kittens Licking Cakes (coco), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

If some girl gave me a business card that wasn't a business card, but her home number and personal email that she got printed at Kinko's, I'd think she was either an egomaniac or a hooker.

seriously. that is such a cheesy thing to do. it would make it easier to discern which girls are so blank that they follow the guidelines laid out in these sort of lists though.

oops (Oops), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

I really hate articles like this. I mean, I like Queer Eye just as much as anyone, but my general feeling is that if a woman actually cares about stuff like how expensive my shoes are and how many threads are in my sheets, then I don't know that we'd even get along.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

also, underwear cant kill the mood. when the pants come off, the underwear goes right with it. slips out under the radar. (???)

Fetchboy (Felcher), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

10 things every single guy must own, by Nick:
1. Some furniture. Like a chair or something. Sometimes you can find them in the alley. GO FOR IT DUDE.
2. Refrigerator. DUDE YOUR BEER'S GETTING WARM DUDE.
3. Playboy subscription. You aren't living with your parents anymore, dude, you can do ANYTHING. YOU. WANT. Go nuts, have fun!
4. Humidor. Chicks dig that shit, dawg.
5. Silk boxers. CLASSY.
6. One of those vacuum cleaner robots. FUCK A DYSON, BRO.
7. Bob Marley poster. ONE LOVE. HE WAS A BUFFALO SOLDIER.
8. A bunch of overpriced and useless gadgets to compensate for your poorly-veiled physical and emotional insecurities. SHARPER IMAGE DAWG.
9. Air freshener.
10. Fleshlight.

n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

realistic single man's (wanting a chick) list:
1. $100 cash in wallet at all times
2. credit card
3. $20 worth of cocaine
4. well-stocked medicine cabinet
5. extra roll of toilet paper
6. no roomates
7. cellphone
8. bicycle
9. breakfast makings, water in fridge
10. open taste in music

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

That list is pretty good except for the cocaine bit and that bicycles aren't particularly urgent and key.

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

depends on where you live, I guess.

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:00 (twenty years ago)

That business card thing is really perplexing.

A napkin he can lose. A card he'll file and keep.

Um, in a stack in his wallet with realtor and plumber cards or whatever?

Seriously, get one He's Just Not THat Into You.

No, it depends on whether or not you do cocaine, or would be into someone who does cocaine!

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:03 (twenty years ago)

The condom is the most important thing. Because if you don't put out... etc...

The Original Jimmy Mod: A Negro (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:04 (twenty years ago)

xpost: i meant the bicycle. I've never met a girl who doesn't like cocaine.

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

From my point of view, the men's list is a fucking exercise in product placement, but on the flip side it would be nice to see that A. Guy actually had a preference w/r/t one or two personal items such as linens or knowing his way around the kitchen because this would indicate that he spared two seconds to think about his quality of life. Like, in a post-college time-to-get-out-of-the-frathouse way. OTOH, if he merely followed all the instructions above it would be equally mindless and therefore dud (as would the women's list).

Women's list equally stupid for different reasons already discussed above. As far as I'm concerened, Kenan has provided the only truly urgent & key answer.

Laurel, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

NB: I am nearing 30 so my expectations may be a little different. I'm sure neither of my younger brothers give a shit about their bed sheets but then I am not dating in their age range.

Laurel, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

I don't really care about my quality of life. :(

All that stuff just seems so unnecessary.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Most products do.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

A key-ring that can fix, cut, and open anything

ok, i agree with this one. always have a bottle opener, a pair of ear plugs, a cutting tool, and a source of flame on you at all times. Just in case.

DUDE YOUR BEER'S GETTING WARM DUDE.

haw.

kingfish completely hatstand (Kingfish), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

Jay, surely there's something you DO care about?

I dunno, speaking for myself I have the (possibly very bad) habit of extrapolating things about someone (read: the boy in question) from any information I can get my grubby little hands on. That is, if he is particular about his bike/wok/records/books/amps/grooming products/photography/what the fuck ever and there is evidence of such particularlity in his apartment, I will be imeejitly charmed and ascribe to him all kinds of complimentary motives/talents/characteristics.

Of course, I am single these days, so YMMV.

Laurel, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

i love perfume. im sure my devotion to perfume has put a few people off. but i like the idea of having a signature scent. also i like it when i hug someone and they go "omg you smell sooooooo good" - i also like perfume/cologne on dudes, totally, but yeah, its possible to go overboard.

tuomas, some women/people have a very high arch in their foot, and oftentimes high heels are more comfortable for their feet than regular shoes. i am not one of these people, i find them almost unbearable.

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

You just need practise, Trayce. *I* can walk in heels, even though I'm nearly as tall as Kate.

So how about a photo with you in the heels on the WDYLL thread?

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

I'd probably have to shave my legs first, and I'm too lazy.

(plus, it's pretty awkward to take a good picture of your own legs)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Tuomas, if you and I could walk down the street together wearing matching skirts and heels, I would be thrilled. That's a world I would like to live in. I think that in order to make that world real, we have to do what we want in order to prove that it's ok. Right? That's why the list that started this thread bothers me so much.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Well, the "beating it to death" part is probably just me. I always like to think/discuss things right into the ground, as Ben and I did last night with the new Mitchum "you're a Mitchum Man" ad campaign. But as to why...well, if you get a grasp of why someone behaves a certain way, you've presumably understood something important about her, and possibly a key to her future behavior. Or just a greater understanding of social/gendered/whatever behavior in general. Or lots of things! Just from my own POV.

And yes, Mands! Heels put more pressure on the balls of my feet, but they also support my arches better than flat shoes. It's true that a squishy contoured athletic shoe would do both but I am not willing to wear sneakers (except to the gym).

Laurel, Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I agree, Manda.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

(x-post)

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

I actually agree with Tuomas to some extent, but more just as a matter of taste. I've never been interested in perfume, jewelry, heels, lipstick, etc., on women, and instead prefer the natural look. To the extent that ideology comes into it, it's partly because the overly made-up, dressed-up woman seems like a caricature of "sexiness": not only is it not what I find attractive but it's also too overt.

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Ah, for me it isnt the heel itself thats the prob... I have a balance issue due to twisted shin and femur bones, so I roll badly over on me feet when I walk. Pigeon toed I guess its called. I get pain just walking in docs! Stupid feet.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)

Tuomas, can you not accept that maybe barbies etc. ARE more appealing to little girls than little boys? Genders ARE different and it makes me uneasy when people like you want male and female to be a homogeneous, all-encompassing mono-gender.

Haha FP, I've posted a pic of my legs numerous times and I'm pretty happy with it :)

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

You have less self-image issues than I do, though ;-)

And, as I said, I'd have to shave my legs for them to look decent in heels.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

There's an artfulness to wearing things like heels, etc, and that's to not try to hard, but wear what you are comfortable with. The beef I have with the main article is that it tries too hard, it places too much what women think men want, rather than what they want for themselves.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

xypost: What's up with that "Mitchum Man" campaign? "If you've ever jumped a hurdle running to make a train..." Yeah, dude, trample some children to save youself 5 minutes!

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

I suppose I meant 3 figures on a single item of clothing like a poxy pair of jeans.

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Tuomas, can you not accept that maybe barbies etc. ARE more appealing to little girls than little boys? Genders ARE different and it makes me uneasy when people like you want male and female to be a homogeneous, all-encompassing mono-gender.

Nope, I don't wanna mono-gender, rather than a plurality of genders... And I don't think girls naturally find Barbies appealing, and anyway they're not exactly a good role model when it comes to body image, don't you agree?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

yeah, no one can twist 360 degrees in reral life!

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)

They are not as bad as Bratz.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

What kind of role model is a stuffed bear? Is it teaching our children to shit in the woods?

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

no one has heads as big as that in real life!

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

I took a photo of my legs on my phone. I named it 'fat legz'.

Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

Well, okay, other dolls which are Tuomas approved then (I used your own example dude!). So are you saying girls don't find dolls appealing naturally? There HAS to be a maternal instinct that is fundamental, natural and, at some point in the girl's life, is likely to prove very useful - why can't dolls be part of exploring this?

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

There HAS to be a maternal instinct that is fundamental, natural and, at some point in the girl's life, is likely to prove very useful

Uhhhh... not to get involved, but stop right there. Because this is a blanket statement that personal experience just doesn't bear out.

Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

NATURE VS. NUTURE OH NO!!!

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

interesting theory:

girls like dolls for that primordial maternal instinct hardwired inside, providing empowerment in that they have something to take care of and devote attention and even affection to.

boys like their equivalent of dolls (little action figures, toy robots etc.) because it makes them feel empowered like gods controlling the actions of their subjects, for that primordial destructive instinct hardwired inside.

bullshit? maybe, just throwin' it out there.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

Oh what, human beans are the only creatures that don't have a natural instinct to look after their completely helpless offspring?

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Actually, no, forget it. I'm not getting into it.

But I am starting to find that the sweeping generalisations made about Female Nature by men (men of both Mark's and Tuomas' ideologies) are making me VERY uncomfortable.

Perhaps even more uncomfortable than the original stupid article. Whatever.

Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

xpost to Outsider: Ben said there was a Times article about the fact that the MTA objected to the "hurdled anything" ad because obv they don't want anyone to hurry to the train and trip/fall/die/sue them! But I see that the ads are on trains anyway so apparently the advertising $$$ won out. Hah.

I am with Kate, otherwise. Can we drop the Female Nuturing Is Her Ordained Fate line of discussion, please? It's not going anywhere good.

Laurel, Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

girls should play with GI JOES. math is hard.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I think this conversation has reached the dying point.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

oh wait, is it single as in not in a relationship, or just like every girl in the entire world?

jel -- (jel), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Oh what, human beans are the only creatures that don't have a natural instinct to look after their completely helpless offspring?

Like babies are never dumped in the trash or abandonned on doorsteps, etc. etc. etc. Things go wrong, even with "natural" instincts.

And FWIW, I was never the slightest bit interested in playing with dolls as a child. Does that make me less of a woman? And I really don't think it's the place of a man to describe what is natural for females anyway.

Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

the former

Outsider Enter Port City (sexyDancer), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

When I was 5 I really wanted a dolls house. Not the dolls though. I WAS INTERESTED IN THE IDEA THAT I COULD BE A GIANT IN CHARGE OF A LITTLE BUT DETAILED HOUSE you see.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

I am only attracted to women that look like this:
http://www.waxmuseum.net/images/RobertPalmer-AddictedToLove.jpg

n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

they're all clearly dying for Bobbo to knock them up ASAP!

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

I liked Barbies, but not out of maternal urges. It was all about amassing a large collection of clothes and accessories.

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

A lot of people will probably just say it's always out of maternal urges, in the same way that they'll say sexual urges are always out of primordial urge to reproduce, despite the pleasure aspect and that the louder voice in your head is saying 'of course i don't want a kid yet stupid!'. not sure you can actually prove anything either way here.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

I WAS INTERESTED IN THE IDEA THAT I COULD BE A GIANT IN CHARGE OF A LITTLE BUT DETAILED HOUSE you see.

Play The Sims.

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

MATH IS HARD

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 11 August 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

Weirdly The Sims has never really appealed to me, but then I stopped playing video games about seven years ago now. Burnout.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

I am getting major deja-vu with that 'MATH IS HARD' thing, haha

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

probabbly 392482843982 xposts now, but...

Obviously it's not just about attracting men or women... It's what we're taught to and what we learn from the society of how "proper" men and women should look like (and kids already know that). Since these things are almost impossible to decode, at least it's better to play with them, but one should acknowledge it's not a free choice, or "just for my own fun".

so what is a free choice then?!?!?!?!??!?!? if a girl dresses up deliberately to look unfeminine, isn't that just as if not EVEN MORE contrived?!?!?? "Oh no! if i dress up like a girl people might think i'm only doing it to PULL, uh oh! better dress up like a dude"

i mean that's a free choice then yeah?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Unless you get paid to cook professionally, in which case women are still more rare than men.
-- Paunchy Stratego (fluxion2...), August 11th, 2005 3:38 PM. (kenan) (later) (link)

but how do they compare to the steak?

ken c (ken c), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

is this thread still going?

jaymc (jaymc), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

like a steam engine...

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

10 Things Every Single Girl Must PWN

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

I wish they taught shopping in school!

Paunchy Stratego (kenan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

4/ Dinosaur cookie cutters x 3 (diplodocus, stegosaurus and triceratops)

ok, THIS is more like it!

kingfish completely hatstand (Kingfish), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Single gulllll, I don't want to be a single gullll
Single gulllll, who would want to be a single gulllll

kingfish completely hatstand (Kingfish), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

But I am starting to find that the sweeping generalisations made about Female Nature by men (men of both Mark's and Tuomas' ideologies) are making me VERY uncomfortable.

I'm sorry if it sounded that way, I wasn't trying to impose any generalisations on women (or men); on the contrary, that's exactly what I'm against.


so what is a free choice then?!?!?!?!??!?!? if a girl dresses up deliberately to look unfeminine, isn't that just as if not EVEN MORE contrived?!?!?? "Oh no! if i dress up like a girl people might think i'm only doing it to PULL, uh oh! better dress up like a dude"

A greater freedom of choice would be if thinking what to wear wouldn't lead to such binary choices (and I'm not saying it always deos, but this was your example).

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 11 August 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.