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We Brits rarely talk about this. Indeed, I've no idea of how much virtually all of my closest friends earn. Anyway what do you think of this question, do you ask it, do you GET asked it, and in the semi-anonymity of cyber-space what's the answer? You first!

Dr.C, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I don't even know. When I have to fill in application forms for new jobs, I have to do lengthy research projects into how much I earn, involving emptying several folders, drawers, contracts, etc.

the pinefox, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

This is the only thing i am taboo about. Ask me about my sex life and you will get an earful but I REFUSE TO TALK MONEY. Its weird.

anthony, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

At the moment nothing. The most I've ever earned is about £14,000 pa.

james e l, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I am a student so I don't. I got a grant of £900 from ERASMUS to study in Italy though.

Ed, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i don't understand why people get all coy about this. currently i'm on £19k

gareth, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

my last tax return was for 6 grand oz - ie 2k pound, 4 k US. for a year! Though I did knock back a job two months ago with a starting salary of 35K - it was a marketing job writing promo for crap books - I lamost had another breakdown on the bus back from the interview, 2 panic attacks in 30 minutes - poverty is fine as long as I keep my sanity.

Geoff, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Allegedly around $30,000, plus a further $5000 + from freelance writing, soon to increase. Can't complain, I'm housed and fed.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

This time next year I'll be a millionaire!

james e l, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Why do people get coy about it? I think it's a relic of the British class system. The upper classes traditionally considered it vulgar to even think about money as a way of distinguishing themsleves from people in trade (ie people who might have actually worked for their living) who had to deal directly with money. As those in the upper- middle classes aspired to higher status in society, they too started to consider it vulgar to discuss money. The aspirant lower-middle classes soon got the same idea and so the idea percolated down to the population as a whole.

There's also an idea that's been current in management culture for god knows how long that letting the workers discuss their salaries foments discontent. Which obviously hasn't helped remove any taboos surrounding such discussions.

As for me, I'm on 29K a year + about 3K in bonuses.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

George Orwell has in in the Road to Wigan Pier that the british lower middle class don't discuss saleries etc. because there is nothing to distinguish them, money wise, from the skilled working classes.

I was going to quote the last sentance from the book because it puts it quite nicely, but the last sentance is pretty much all the last page and I can't be bothered.

Ed, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Eh? Surely the reason people don't say how much they earn is cos then when their round comes up, they can say: sorry, lads, I'm cleaned out...

the pinefox, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Only if they are a bounder and a cad.

Ed, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Enough to pay off the student loans and the rent. What's left over keeps me fed.

I'm living proof that not all lawyers are rich. Then again, I didn't make Law Review.

Tadeusz Suchodolski, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Fucking nothing. Anybody need their yard swept?

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I make **THOUSANDS**, I make **MILLIONS** of dollars...in *Hollywood*.

Andy Kaufman, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I am a student. (This is my answer.)

Josh, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i am a stocker.

kevin enas, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'm on the dole, so whatever my allowance is. I have, alarmingly, no idea whatsoever how much I scrounge off the state each week.

Robin Carmody, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

David makes 45 000 canadian. I make between 3500 and 12 000 depending on what summer job i have.I do not need to work but do to pay for student loans and such. See you are making me break taboos.

anthony, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

£130 a fortnight. Dole scum! Dole scum!

DG, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Blimey. When I was dole scum it was more like 75 quid a fortnight. What did you have to do to your Jobfinder (or whatever idiotic title they're known by nowadays) to get that much?

Richard Tunnicliffe, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

When *I* was dole scum it was one groat.

mark s, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Ah, but I'm on Income Support due to being ill last year, so I get a bit extra. But then I have to pay £30 a fortnight housekeeping money, and then £20 a month to ITV Digital. Poo.

DG, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

My answer is, NOT NEARLY ENOUGH. Champagne lifestyle, beer budget, y'all. But I'm working on it.

suzy, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I only work part-time, so it works out at about £4-5K per year.

Ally C, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I am coy about the amount of money I make because I have been painfully frivolous with said money the pst 3+ years, with barely anything to my name. That said, it is time to face these demons of mindless consumption in the face and say, "Put those goddamn CDs down, you bastards! And brush your teeth, too - dang, you stank!"

Salary: $35K, plus a company car (all expenses paid). (Plus an average of $90-$100 in freelance revenue - TWO articles in TWO years! Boo-fuckin-yah!)

Most people seem to be reticent to admit their salary because they don't want those numbers to be held against them. Not that they should. It's a touchy subject for some, however.

David Raposa, Sunday, 15 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I don't earn anything at the moment, cause I'm a full-time musician (earn money? hah hah hah hah hah! More like lose money hand over fist). The last dayjob I had, that I quit for health reasons (and cause, well, I wanted to be a layabout musician wastrel) I was making £25,000 a year. Yes, it was very very hard to walk out on that much cash. The corporate hooks get you in ways you never even imagine.

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Oh, and I usually told anyone who asked. I'm too shy to ask anyone else myself. Actually, no, that's not true I was *TOLD* at my last job not to discuss what I made, since they inferred that I made more than the other staff. Considering how much I did at the job, (I was basically working 2 jobs, being programmer *and* administering their cranky rusty broken down old network at the same time) I should bloody well think so! Still, for the field I was in I was bloody underpaid hideously by industry standards. I have since found out that the guy who took over my old job, on freelancing terms, now gets paid £40 an hour for it. Sigh.

masonic boom, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Contractors are hideously overpaid in most branches of IT. £60/hour is the going rate for the contractor equivalent to my job.

Richard Tunnicliffe, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I'm on slightly under £18k at PA, where they also ask you not to discuss your salary because everyone's paid slightly differently - there's no formal scale so one can imagine how managerial discretion ends up operating.

In 2001 I believe my supplimentary income from music may exceed £5000, but I haven't any of it yet and that doesn't offset five years of expenditure.

chris, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I earn £26,000pa as a trainee solicitor. It barely covers my student loan repayments and bills, to be honest. I'd say, after tax and loans and stuff that I have about £300 a month to actually live on. The job isn't worth the hassle, either...

I don't mind people knowing what I earn. I think people are often surprised it's as low as that, to be honest. The senior partner, who is so damn rude to me all the time, earns approximately £750,000pa. And my previous boss and her hubby brought home £5m a year. Crazy.

Paul Strange, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

If they ask you not to discuss your income - do so. Its only to create a feeling of fear and loathing in the workplace which collective discussions on pay would seriously help. And management discression = road to discrimination and bullying (especially against women).

I earn 22.5K P.A. though that is about to be subjected to a backdated pay increase that no-one quite understands round here. I am also trying to negotiate a form of profit related pay since i make so much damn money for them round here (and hence to act as an incentive not to be on ILE every minute of the day).

Pete, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Pete also earns at least an extra 50 quid a month through having made himself in charge of bills in our house (as he is the only one home when the post arrives and runs off and hides them). Every so often we get spurious emails from him demanding cheques for assorted sums in the 40 quid region for such unlikely household expenses as 'Council tax' and 'leccy'.

Emma, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

£6240 per year. Plus we get income support. I stake my claim as thee lowest-waged poster in actual employment on this 'ere board. Fortunately, life in NE England is very cheap (EG sample house price in Chopwell village near where I live = £17000 for 2-bedroom terrace - compare w/london - ev0l manic laughter) Speaking ov NE England, has anyone alerted geordie racer to thee existence of this k3wl board?

xoxo

Thee p00r h0us3, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

$45k plus bonus, which was $15k last year. Why do people have problems with this question? It doesn't make a difference, the only time i have an issue answering it is when I think someone is trying to get money out of me, so I try to avoid the question.

It's not nearly enough for my lifestyle, unfortunately.

Ally, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Nice to see income doesn't affect happiness.

chris, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I get very uncomfortable when I'm asked this question. My answer is: enough so that my wife doesn't have to work and we can still buy a car and a condo in the Boston area.

Dan Perry, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I think the question people don't like being asked is not how much they earn per se, but how much money they've got in the bank!

james e l, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I make about 1/2 what my wife makes, so I am thankfully that the city of Long Beach is paying her as well as they are.

tOM p, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I agree with Emma about the way income smokescreens benefit The System (in fact it seems Em and I agree on most stuff) and is to the detriment of many women, who inevitably find themselves on 80% of Boy Money. A couple of years ago I had to give a talk sponsored by Lib Dems to 500 schoolies about feminism stuff. I guess I was there because of my feminist book and to represent for The Arts. On the panel there was also Mary-Ann Stephenson from the Fawcett Society (cool woman) and idiot Tory MP Tessa May, who pooh-poohed salary gaps because in HER job, men and women were paid equally. So in front of the schoolies, I rocked the mic by saying in my best 'there, there' patronising voice, 'well, how LOVELY for you, Tessa, our problems are officially over!'

The look on Idiot's face was a picture and I was mobbed by schoolies afterward, most of whom wanted to know how to get work placements on my Edgy Consumer Magazine. I advised against, because in all truth I don't earn a lot. However as a self-employed person with a jammily cheap Zone 1 flat, I can write off significant amounts of this, inc. percentage of rent and bills, against taxes so for the moment I'm not bothered.

suzy, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I think I made $12,000 last year, working part time. I hardly ever go in to work anymore, so I'll probably make like twenty bucks this year.

Otis Wheeler, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

See, this is why you can't afford to go to Pomodoro's with us. You need to start a lucrative career in stealing. Unless it's stealing from me, then I'll kill you.

Ally, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

richard, what branch of IT are you in? i am so going to treble my wage when i get my CCNP.

gareth, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I make under 45,000$ a year

Mike Hanle y, Monday, 16 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

I don't make a lot, but the fringe benefits are damn good, so it's misleading to post my salary. Let's just say I'm getting a nearly free post-graduate education and I pay a pittance for health benefits.

Kerry Keane, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

i still am on the dole. (sickness benefit specifically) that's been my main support for the most part of 20 years, is that some kind of record? (& if so what kind, a 50 cent copy of "Pal Joey" probably)

duane, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

start salaries at the types of jobs I'm LOOKING for = 40-50k. Start salary that I have now = 0k, as I'm still fucking looking. Oy.

Sterling Clover, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

Just under £26,000 (I forget the exact salary) with a £5,000 bonus. This actually meshes very well with how much I spend though a bit of frugality and saving would most certainly not hurt. I'd gladly earn less for a more rewarding job.

Yes the culture of pay silence is really damaging - my best friend at my last job worked like a skivvy without any idea for ages that she was getting five or six grand less than same-rank same-job people. It wasn't gender discrimination so much as loyalty discrimination - MR being a small and v.incestuous industry people jump jobs a lot and get tasty increases to lure them into a position they're going to be in for 12-18 months (hello me). It was well known that the only way to get a good salary increase at this place was to leave for 6 months: my friend stuck it out for 4 years and only finally got some recognition when everyone else left.

Tom, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

My name's Nick and I earn just under £20000 a year.

Nick, Tuesday, 17 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-three years ago) link

My 2bed closet of an apt in NYC was $2400 split two ways. Right now I pay just over $1200 for a 1bed bungalow.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:21 (twenty years ago) link

I pay 140$ a month for rent. All utilities included.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

efficiencies around here start around $450-500

strongo hulkington (dubplatestyle), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

Admittedly I live in a boarding house type thing. You can also buy houses here for 20 to 25 gs. Which is 10X less than an equivalent in the Twin Cities.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:24 (twenty years ago) link

The last place I paid rent (prior to becoming a pathetic slacker) was ~$450/month and that was about average for a 1bd/1bath that wasn't going to get broken into on a regular basis. Living in a cultural vacuum has its benefits.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:25 (twenty years ago) link

yessir. cheap drinks at the bar, too.

christhamrin (christhamrin), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:28 (twenty years ago) link

What kind of work do you do, Nordic?

morris pavilion (samjeff), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:29 (twenty years ago) link

I work for a jury consultancy.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link

What does that mean, then?

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:35 (twenty years ago) link

It's one of those jobs you never knew existed. but it does.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago) link

Though commuting to an alternate dimension is an absolute bitch.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:38 (twenty years ago) link

@d@m is Gene Hackman.

miloauckerman (miloauckerman), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

I make $30,000 pa and my rent is $475. But I like shopping. So I am usually broke.

mandee, Monday, 17 May 2004 21:46 (twenty years ago) link

I make a lot less money now than at my old job but it's more than I've made over the past 10 months so I'm not complaining. Plus the view is nice.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:55 (twenty years ago) link

Im on $42k on paper but they take a large chunk out in superanuaton salary sacrifice thing, so its more like 37k.

Rent's a bit of a bitch in inner Melb, this place is 1120 a month, but at least Im going halves on that now, so Im not paying half me salary in rent! :(

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:57 (twenty years ago) link

I am paying about half my salary in rent right now, which sucks big-time. Then again, I have a much nicer apartment than most people I know in NYC, even those who pay as much or more than me, so it's worth it.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 17 May 2004 21:59 (twenty years ago) link

I'm trying to imagine a world where $1600/month rents a small apartment. That's fucking insane.

lots of insane people in NYC

gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:15 (twenty years ago) link

Remember three years ago when I had a six-figure salary? That was cool.
-- VengaDan Perry

Dan at some point I insist that you and I get hammered and talk about the good ol' days of six-figure salaries.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:19 (twenty years ago) link

Ned can vouch for me if you need references.

martin m. (mushrush), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:19 (twenty years ago) link

ny real estate, pah. i pay about $900/mo (exclusive of utilities) for a 1bdrm in the east village. the guy from whom i took over the lease had been here for about a decade and was only paying $700, and since the place is rent-stabilized there couldn't be much of an increase. for comparison, my friend who lives four blocks away pays $1900 for a place that's about the same size.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

I make $9.86 per HOUR working as a counselor for/with mentally adults. I'm a student, but am in trouble with old student loans, so my tax returns get taken away. Plus I pay $150.00 a month to student loans so I can qualify for more. You know the book "Simple Abundance"? I'm going to write the companion "Complicated Poverty". And last month I blew $1,000.00 on my sick cat (he's all better), although I never go to the doctor myself. But my job gives me so many stories and anecdotes - and friends - that I cannot complain too much. I'm also going to write "Vodka Tonics for the Soul" and "The Seven Habits of Highly Incapable People". You are all invited to join in these literary adventures.

aimurchie, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:07 (twenty years ago) link

Apparently "9.86 per HOUR" has stunned everyone into silence.

aimurchie, Tuesday, 18 May 2004 01:35 (twenty years ago) link

I'm trying to imagine a world where $1600/month rents a small apartment. That's fucking insane.

hello tokyo and hong kong! what most middle class westerners deem a studio suffices as a livingspace for a middle class family of four in megametropolitan asia.

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 02:08 (twenty years ago) link

ten years pass...

bump

local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, 12 January 2015 23:13 (ten years ago) link

idk what my take home is yet (pension contribution takes a good bite) but as of today I make €42300 odd pa.

rent is about to go up to 600 each for a two bed townhouse on a quiet st in an undesirable but hopefully gentrifiable area of dublin

ok fess up bitches

local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, 12 January 2015 23:15 (ten years ago) link

Wages, tips and other compensation
33264.22

languagelessness (mattresslessness), Monday, 12 January 2015 23:32 (ten years ago) link

i am about to make just-making-it levels of pay for the next four or five months after a year of scrounging please-somebody-help-me levels and it's already got me imagining BUYING THINGS

j., Monday, 12 January 2015 23:34 (ten years ago) link

Household or just mine?

brosario nawson (m bison), Monday, 12 January 2015 23:34 (ten years ago) link

as threadbumper I'm happy with either way or both if you feel it significant

local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, 12 January 2015 23:37 (ten years ago) link

our household income just broke 70k, this summer gone it was prob under 50k tho and the difference hasn't actually arrived yet (and there'll be some lag anyway while student loans and visa get what's coming to them)

local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, 12 January 2015 23:40 (ten years ago) link

Just thought I'd ask.
I got about $50k this year before taxes. With my wife's income, around $110k.

brosario nawson (m bison), Monday, 12 January 2015 23:41 (ten years ago) link

I don't earn a penny these days. I am a kept man.

Aimless, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 00:09 (ten years ago) link

livin the dream

Tanukious D' (wins), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 00:11 (ten years ago) link

thats some advantage, I demand it be taken into account in future poetry contests

local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 00:17 (ten years ago) link

I'm paid something around the going rate. We pay a quarter of that in rent for a 2 bedroom apartment and have hefty student loans to pay. Wife has a job right now as well, but that might need to change when babby arrives (would probably take a net loss on child care).

$80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 01:13 (ten years ago) link

I get the full bennies at the moment and it is the worst fucking period of my life. I get increasingly paranoid that the banks are working out new ways to squeeze me harder now they realise I am not earning fuck all any more. Also paranoid that Universal Credit is going to push my family into further poverty. But fuck the haters; I paid into this system for 18 years and even if I hadn't done so - go fuck yourselves anyway, potential judgemental fucking arseholes!

xelab, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 01:16 (ten years ago) link

xp grats sufjan hadn't heard news

local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 01:17 (ten years ago) link

ty! I don't think I shared that bit o' news yet.

$80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 01:34 (ten years ago) link

£72.40/week

Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 02:43 (ten years ago) link

We earn a combined income that would have seemed like a lot of money to me ten years ago and now feels like enough but not a lot. We have enough to own an apartment in an uninteresting but safe neighborhood, send our daughter to the daycare we like instead of the cheapest, pay for my wife's part time school, have a couple date nights a month, do some family stuff on weekends, etc. When we need something we can buy it and when we need to fix things we can fix them. A save a little but not much. We don't do a lot of travel. Most of our meals are home cooked and we shop at Costco, but we buy organic meat and milk and eggs and other nice food. It's surprising how much it costs to live a pretty mundane middle class family life in nyc.

walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 02:50 (ten years ago) link

14,000$ CAD

i'm somehow living pretty ok off this? must be wild to make, like, n times this much money

flopson, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 02:52 (ten years ago) link

quiddities, agonies xp

mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 02:56 (ten years ago) link

Canada Goose parkas for the whole family meant three instead of four star resort this year hey it's cold what was I supposed to do

walid foster dulles (man alive), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 03:03 (ten years ago) link

i earn the respect of others

pilate is my cogod (Crabbits), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 03:05 (ten years ago) link

not really

pilate is my cogod (Crabbits), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 03:05 (ten years ago) link

a little more than my age x $1000 for the year

Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 04:19 (ten years ago) link

I demand it be taken into account in future poetry contests

The advantage you cite is fully offset by galloping mental decrepitude, brought on by six decades of wear and tear and victory gin.

Aimless, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 06:22 (ten years ago) link

At the current exchange rate, exactly the same as Darragh. Notional bonuses bump it up but I'd estimate that's around £15k - £20k less than market rate for the role as a basic salary. I get recruitment consultants nervously saying 'I've got a role I'd be interested in putting you forward for but the starting salary is only £60k'. I need to have a serious conversation with my boss.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 06:23 (ten years ago) link

rent is about to go up to 600 each for a two bed townhouse on a quiet st in an undesirable but hopefully gentrifiable area of dublin

― local eire man (darraghmac), Monday, 12 January 2015 23:15 (1 week ago)

why do you want the area surrounding a house you don't own to become gentrified thereby increasing its value and rental yields

Hayat Boumkattienne (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 00:03 (ten years ago) link

because the rent is well below market rate and v likely to stay as is for the forseeable (covering mortgage costs of friends)

local eire man (darraghmac), Tuesday, 20 January 2015 00:05 (ten years ago) link


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