how did we end up with NYC mayoral candidates like this?

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Callow prepster Gifford Miller was at my subway stop yesterday morning; I avoided any contact. And I trust we all missed hearing him sing:

http://eefers.blogspot.com/2005/08/singing-and-stumping-toward-city-hall.html


This quartet has so obviously ensured Bloomie's re-election I'm almost excited about voting for Norm Siegel for public advocate. Ferrer's Diallo backtracking and 'professional' campaign means I'll literally hold my nose when I pull the lever.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it's bleak.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 September 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously -- looking at this lot you'd think being mayor was some sort of crap position nobody good would bother with.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

what's wrong with Weiner, besides 'he's too centrist for me (and so is the rest of the Democratic party)'?

who else would you run?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I think you're coming at it from the opposite direction as I am, gabbneb -- for me it isn't "why aren't we running someone like X," it's "if these are the best available candidates then that's just sad." I haven't been around New York long enough to have favorites to argue for. But I was at least hoping this crop would give me someone to start on. And maybe it will, in time, but it certainly doesn't seem like it.

nabisco (nabisco), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

You mean "If Only I Had Known Bush Was Lying About WMDs I Wouldna Voted for the War" Weiner?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 2 September 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Rudy's doing more campaigning for Bloomberg than Bloomberg is.

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

You mean "If Only I Had Known Bush Was Lying About WMDs I Wouldna Voted for the War" Weiner?

I mean Anthony Weiner

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 2 September 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

There was a bunch of people walking down the street with WEINER MAYOR signs and as I got closer I could see they were accosting people and handing out stuff. No polite way to refuse them, it appeared. I ducked into a Mexican restaurant and got some nachos. When I was finished, I came back onto the sidewalk and there they were, accosting me. So I said, "Ah, you're a bunch of Weiner-heads," in this real jokey, dismissive kind of way.

True Story, Friday, 2 September 2005 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

i'm gonna write in yoko ono.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 2 September 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

Weiner's the one with a prayer to win. Bloomberg's new tough-on-crime/homeland security commercials suggest that he knows this too.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 September 2005 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

funny, the only one of these clowns that i would have no problem voting for is gifford miller. ferrer is a hack, and weiner makes my flesh crawl. (i dunno anything -- good or bad -- about virginia fields).

if i lived in NYC, i would probably end up voting for bloomberg.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 September 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still having trouble convincing myself to vote in this election. It's not just that the Democrats are uncharismatic or whatever, I don't see any reason to think that any of them would actually be better mayors than Bloomberg. They don't inspire confidence on a basic picking-up-the-garbage level, or at least I don't see why they're likely to do that stuff any better, which is really the most important part of the job. Voting for a dickhead party hack Democrat just to vote against a rich asshole Republican isn't enough to get me out to the polls. But maybe something will move me...

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think they'd necessarily be better than Bloomberg, but I don't think they'd necessarily be worse either. And they're certainly preferable at the margin of policy. And none of them would be rewarded for bringing Bushstock here.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Bloomberg has been a totally fine mayor! I have no beef with him.

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

thres also brouder

http://mayorbrodeur.org/

bb (bbrz), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

"Oh, I wish I were an awesome Mayor Weiner..."

Um, sorry.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

i could quibble w/ some of what bloomberg's done (e.g., the smoking ban and the westside stadium debacle), but otherwise i'm w/ both gypsy and jams -- bloomberg has been pretty good, and i don't see how any of the 4 dem candidates could improve things. add that to the real minuses of these candidates -- ferrer = hack; miller = not quite ready for prime time; weiner = creepy, gladhanding, over-ambitious; fields = who ARE you again? -- and any of them are tough sells even to other dems.

now if giuliani were still around, i'd hold my nose and support the winner -- but he's history now, and bloomberg ain't nowhere near as bad as giuliani.

And none of them would be rewarded for bringing Bushstock here.

being democrats didn't stop ed rendell and john street from bringing bushstock '00 to philadelphia.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Bloomie's been OK aside from continuing to hand the city over to developers and forcing out the sub-wealthy.

Saw IOIHKBWLA-WMD-IWVW Weiner yakking to an interviewer on his cel about 20 yards from my subway entrance.

By what Ouija board is Weiner the one 'with a prayer,' aside from this week's media-lemming fashion?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

THANKS JAMS AND EISBAR FOR ENDORSING THE-1000-ARRESTS-A-DAY-DURING-THE-RNC MAYOR!

also fuck morgenthau.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

Mike Bloomberg, Democrat.

Dial 311.

Confounded (Confounded), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

So right Joel. Everyone seems to have completely forgotten about the torrent of basic civil rights violations during the RNC. I'm sure all of us who live in New York know at least a handful of people who were jailed overnight just for attending a protest, and as far as I know none of them have received compensation of even an apology from the city government.

"Fields = who ARE you again?" Come on dude. She's the Manhattan Borough President. Just because you don't pay attention to local politics doesn't mean she isn't qualified. Each of the candidates are qualified and would probably do a better job than Bloomberg. You think he's making the subways run better? You think public schools in New York are okay? You think Bloomberg does anything to improve the "quality of life" for poor people in New York? He's exactly like Giuliani and cares about nothing but making New York a squeaky clean and sterile place for tourists and businessmen. Wake up.

Hatch (Hatch), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

THANKS JAMS AND EISBAR FOR ENDORSING THE-1000-ARRESTS-A-DAY-DURING-THE-RNC MAYOR!

do you really think that freddy "i have no problem w/ what you cops did to amadou diallo" ferrer would be any better in reigning in out-of-control cops?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

also fuck morgenthau

because he opposes the death penalty and his opponent, who has like zero experience, doesn't?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Bloomberg's handling of protests and protesters has been pretty bad. And even though the westside stadium is dead (apparently), that's no thanks to him. But Dems aren't much less enamored of developers than Republicans. See Marty Markowitz and Bruce Ratner, e.g. But on balance, and stipulating that the guy seems to be a dick in many ways, Bloomberg has performed capably. The school system might still be a disaster area, but that's partly the state's fault -- despite a court order, Pataki and the Legislature have yet to come through with the money they're supposed to. And some of Bloomberg's moves in restructuring the system might pay off. At least I think he takes education seriously. In fact, I think he takes the job seriously. He does a lot less grandstanding than a lot of mayors I've seen, Democrats or Republicans.

So I'm kind of hard-pressed to vote against him, given the field of contenders. But there are enough negatives to make me unhappy about voting for him, too.

Anyway, it's all academic, because he's going to get re-elected.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 8 September 2005 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

All of the above is valid, but in these less genteel times, I'm all about partisanship provided that I have faith in the candidate (and I do in all of them, perhaps excepting Ferrer), and I want to focus on building the party and our future stars, even in our backyard. It's for this reason that I'm considering voting for Rasiej to remake the Pub Adv office, even if Gotbaum will do more for (a much smaller pool of) the needier, and that I'm considering voting for a the political talent I see in Manzano for M-Beep over my neighborhood's favorite, the more experienced Eva Moskowitz.

I think the race would be academic if the candidate were named Fields (too nice), Ferrer (I'm not the only one who's unconvinced) or Miller (the less accomplished and more uptight of the two rich, white preppies?). But I really think that Weiner has a small chance to turn it into the real thing. And the way he's going to do it is by focusing on crime and homeland security - the very things that Bloomberg looks a bit out of his element in discussing in his new commercials.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 September 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

All I have to see is Weiner using "middle-class" as his prime buzzword in his lit... I don't vote for those guys. ("families" is another turnoff) On top of his dishonesty over his Iraq vote.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

YES, EVERYONE, ANTHONY WEINER HATES POOR AND/OR GAY PEOPLE

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

and Bloomberg loooooves them

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

do you really think that freddy "i have no problem w/ what you cops did to amadou diallo" ferrer would be any better in reigning in out-of-control cops?!?>o?

yes, even tho i think ferrer's a douchebag too.

also fuck morgenthau
because he opposes the death penalty and his opponent, who has like zero experience, doesn't?

isn't it really kinda pointless to oppose the death penalty in a state that doesn't really have one? i mean, we have one now, but it's not enforced. also, pretty hard for someone to get experience when morgenthau's been in the job for 20FUCKINGMILLIONYEARS. also, "like zero experience" reads to me like "yes, let's not have a woman try out the job." also, even charlie fucking hynes (whom i'm voting against) has a domestic violence unit.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

No gabb, Anthony Weiner just panders to straights/people with more $ than me.

And given the choice, ppl will vote for the older, richer whiny single Jewish guy.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO GABBNEB HATES WOMEN. have you read this?

And given the choice, ppl will vote for the older, richer whiny single Jewish guy

repeat that again 3x

apparently, i'm going against the NYT on every slate. is that a good or a bad thing?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

I also wonder, seriously, how much of a detriment it is to be named Weiner...

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Anthony Weiner just panders to straights/people with more $ than me

yes, I guess he's unconcerned with winning the votes of the 60% of New Yorkers (and 2/3+ of Manhattanites) who are single. or maybe it's that he, like anyone else, has to win the votes of Bloomberg voters to win the thing, and that many of them are, wait for it... married. and most people are with you in imagining that "middle class" means "not poor" rather than "not rich (like guess fucking who)."

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

I understand all your points. I just don't remotely see him winning.
And I just hate political calculus.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

honestly, of all of the dem candidates that i know anything about the only one that i like at all is miller -- i think that he has some good ideas and lots of energy, but i just don't think that he has enough experience yet. i don't like the idea of a mayor on training wheels, but if he won i COULD be persuaded to vote for him.

virginia fields, i just don't know that much about her -- b/c i DON'T LIVE IN NEW YORK. how many NYers know anything about, say, doug forrester (NJ's republican gubernatorial nominee) or reps. menendez or andrews (both of whom may seek the NJ senatorial nomination next year?) i didn't think so. anyway, maybe she'd be good but as i said, i don't know that much about her.

ferrer and weiner are the 2 that i have serious misgivings about. ferrer, b/c he's a hack and a douchebag. weiner, b/c he seems really oily and phony, not to mention that he kisses too much lubavitcher/likudnik ass (he was pro-censorship in the whole columbia kerfluffle earlier this year) for my comfort. as i said before, if either were running against giuliani i'd hold my nose and vote for them -- but they're running against bloomberg.

anyway, don't get too hopped up about my opinions re this, since i live in NJ and can't vote in the NYC mayor race anyway. NY politics is way too byzantine.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

People love throwing "hack" around, and I'm not sure what it means anymore besides "professional politician who takes no chances." Which sounds like an improvement over Bloomberg.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 9 September 2005 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

Sharpton endorsement of Ferrer = no runoff?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 12 September 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Tracer Hand for mayor!

O'so Krispie (Ex Leon), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

I shook Giff's hand in the subway this morning... right after voting for Ferrer.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

i voted for brodeur just because he has "bro" in his name.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

I would totally vote for Tracer Hand.

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

i might write in dan selzer in the general election. either him or yoko ono. wtf, maybe tracer can get my vote.

brooklyn machine was out in force for sampson today. ugh. no, homeless dude who just showered for the first time in a month waiting for me on the corner, i already voted.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, pretty much no good news outta those results. Gotbaum, Jeezus.

Brodeur got 40% as a many votes as Miller! He wasn't on my ballot -- were those write-ins?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

He was on the ballot, which was rather poorly designed in my precinct.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

so Weiner's a creepy schmuck, right?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting -- and welcome -- but it's not hard to see the upside for The Schwein. He gets credit for not scorching the party by pushing for a runoff, avoids any eventuality of getting flattened by Rich Whiny Bastard, and starts prepping for 2009 (orsomething else).

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

yeah how the fuck did gotbaum get reelected? she's useless.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

[this helped...]

The New York Times
September 7, 2005 Wednesday

Our Choice for Public Advocate

The office of the public advocate is an enigma in New York City government. Created in the City Charter revision of 1990, it lacks real power and a mandate, beyond a vague description of the public advocate as an ''ombudsman'' who monitors city services. The advocate is nonetheless the second-highest-ranking city official and the first in line to succeed the mayor, albeit temporarily, in an emergency. There is no template for doing the job, but New Yorkers should expect their public advocate to be experienced, independent and resourceful.

The incumbent, Betsy Gotbaum, faces two tough challengers as she seeks re-election. Andrew Rasiej, a nightclub-owner-turned-technology-entrepreneur, has built a campaign on a good idea: getting low-cost wireless Internet service to everyone. But he has been light on the specifics of how to achieve it. His candidacy has seemed to be more of a novelty than a serious venture. Norman Siegel lost to Ms. Gotbaum in a runoff four years ago. A former executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, he has been an earnest and often effective advocate in the courts for a wide range of groups. But his combative approach is better suited to litigating than to holding public office.

As for Ms. Gotbaum, she has been both diligent and disappointing. A former parks commissioner who also rescued the New-York Historical Society, Ms. Gotbaum has a long history of accomplishments in civic life. Yet she has seemed as shy of the spotlight as her predecessor, Mark Green, was eager to embrace it. Some of that is due to Ms. Gotbaum's more low-key style, but it also reflects the battles she has waged behind closed doors with Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who cut her budget and staff. Ms. Gotbaum has chosen to use her limited resources to serve as the voice -- and, yes, as the advocate -- for the city's most vulnerable, underserved and invisible residents: poor families, battered women and schoolchildren. In doing so, she has ably filled a void in the city's leadership.

She fought budget cuts to get hot meals delivered to the elderly and to get school meals for low-income students. She marshaled federal, local and private resources to help get food stamps for needy New Yorkers, cutting through the red tape and bureaucracies to help thousands. In that same spirit, she took on failures in the foster care network, the shortage of affordable housing and severe crowding in city schools. And she railed against spending hundreds of millions of taxpayers' dollars for a stadium on the West Side of Manhattan.

Ms. Gotbaum does need to push herself to be more public as she advocates. That said, she is the best candidate for the job. We endorse Betsy Gotbaum.

Confounded (Confounded), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

it didn't help against morgenthau, so i'm not sure if i buy that.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

A "combative approach" is to be avoided at all costs in public officeholders, judging by the Times' taste in Democrats.

She helped some little kid who got beat up in school! Don't you get the mailings?

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

It didn't help against Morgenthau, because he's DA-for-Life. But otherwise, the Times' endorsees won, as they usually do.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

...because he's DA-for-Life...

which you were defending!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

You seem to have misread me twice. I don't think there's anything wrong with DA-for-Life if there's nothing much wrong with the DA. And I wasn't "defending" Morgenthau, just saying that it appeared that Snyder's campaign message appeared quite distinct from her actual agenda, which I did not prefer.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think there's anything wrong with DA-for-Life if there's nothing much wrong with the DA.

I totally disagree.

And I wasn't "defending" Morgenthau, just saying that it appeared that Snyder's campaign message appeared quite distinct from her actual agenda, which I did not prefer.

How so?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

so you think FDR went on too long?

I think her campaign had a lot more to do with making justice more retributive and the Law & Order/Court TV sideline than changing the racial and gender composition of the top ranks of the DA's office, but NY primary voters are super-liberal so you go with what works.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

so you think FDR went on too long?

no, just right. and morgenthau isn't fdr, duh. and 30 years < 15 years. learn one math.

I think her campaign had a lot more to do with making justice more retributive and the Law & Order/Court TV sideline than changing the racial and gender composition of the top ranks of the DA's office, but NY primary voters are super-liberal so you go with what works.

where's your evidence?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not proving something. It's what I concluded from the sum of what I read and heard.

also, NYC DA < President

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

yeah so why'd you make the incredibly senseless analogy?

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

so Weiner's a creepy schmuck, right?

right. he did the right thing by dropping out, but i still don't like him very much (for reasons already mentioned). and had weiner won (and if i could vote in NYC), i would've voted for bloomberg over him.

i could be convinced to support ferrer, FWIW. so it's 2001 all over again (i.e., flip-a-coin-before-voting time).

Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

yeah so why'd you make the incredibly senseless analogy?

uh, because they both involve multiple terms?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but they're not even remotely alike so again what's the point? sheesh.

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

my argument was based upon their dissimilarity - i assumed that if you disliked multiple terms for a DA, surely you disliked multiple terms for a much more powerful position.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

again, the dissimilarity skews any comparison!

hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

four weeks pass...
shocker

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

anyone think Weiner would be doing worse?

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

Gee, that's quite the exclusive for the Post.

rasheed wallace (rasheed wallace), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

We're getting into Safe to Vote for Brodeur territory.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'd say the glut of Democratic brownnosers endorsing Bloomberg so they can get a few table scraps in the next 4 years definitely frees us to abandon the new, spineless Ferrer.

BRODEUR!

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago)


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