― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:18 (nineteen years ago)
― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago)
From the sounds of it, those that entertain that luxury are the implausibly luck ones.
At first, I was expecting just typical hurricane coverage (y'know, the usual footage of supposedly intrepid reporters wearing drenched windbreakers commenting on how the wind has blown down road signs, etc.), but of course this is much, much more than your workaday storm. I'm both horrified and fascinated by the stories that are emerging from it. It's so hard to fathom.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago)
This is not a recommended plan.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:22 (nineteen years ago)
after having already stayed up all night the previous evening due to insomnia, i read newssites from that morning until about 1am. I slept for 4 hours, then got up and did it again for another 12+. Being unemployed at the time and at my parents house did not help things.
they wrote essays about this. something about a feeling of guilt mixed with helplessness & impotence making you feel compelled to find out all you can, since you can't do really anything to help.
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago)
Then again, New Orleans is a city that I used to try to get down to at least once or twice a year. It is personal for me.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago)
stories about pets. i seriously think it'd be what pushed me over the edge.
i really wish i hadn't run out of celexa last month...
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:27 (nineteen years ago)
― scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago)
Oh absolutely. I just saw some woman's little dog on TV that she managed to rescue and it just seemed incredibly tasteless to even mention while there are still babies stranded out there somewhere.
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago)
Would it be ghoulish, Alex and Jody, to suggest a FAP, just so we can get out of the house, or would we only work ourselves further into a lather?
― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:31 (nineteen years ago)
there's that trivia night coming up at magnetic field next week.
― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago)
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:35 (nineteen years ago)
but yeah, as a society, we tend to get distracted. in two years time, there will be still be problems about this...
it just seemed incredibly tasteless
it's not that the trivialness, tho i can see where folks would get annoyed with it. it's the emotional connection. i can't deal with a missing dog. seriously. i can't fucking deal with it.
like the family was part of the Japanese-American Internment, THAT got to her.
exactly. it's hard enough to read/see about the total human misery still going on right as i type this and NBC news is going on in the next room, but hearing shit cops taking away somebody's dog, THAT would be the final slice putting me into such a violent rage.
― kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:38 (nineteen years ago)
Anyway. Surreal. When I got home, I went and checked that I had batteries in my earthquake backpack on my closet shelf & put some fresh water in. Just in case, you know, Mt Rainier decides to erupt tonight or something. :-P
― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago)
That's the meat of it right there, though, right? These people have every right to feel like they've been abandoned --- because for all intents and purposes, they have been.
Bush passing the buck by calling the relief effort "unacceptable" is in itself unacceptable.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:42 (nineteen years ago)
― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago)
OTM, but that's really not his style.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:51 (nineteen years ago)
We drove through McDonald's last night, and I felt like I wasn't fully appreciating the fact the roads were try, businesses were open, no bodies were in the ditches, and no one was trying to pull me out of my mini-van.
Meanwhile, as I write this, there's another family who remains trapped in their sweltering attic, preparing for Night #4 of total darkness.
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:54 (nineteen years ago)
The "stepping in" part is inappropriate though. That's what he's trying to do now by riding in with the national guard and trying to make it look like he came to save the day after other people screwed up. He shouldn't have had to step in because he should have been involved all along!
― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:55 (nineteen years ago)
OTM.
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:58 (nineteen years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:59 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago)
― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:12 (nineteen years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:16 (nineteen years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago)
Partly it's because I'm incensed and outraged at the mess that's been made, partly because I have friends who stay near there, partly for the schadenfreude of watching Bush fumble and mostly because it's utterly compelling. I can't imagine not wanting to know about it.
― stet (stet), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:49 (nineteen years ago)
that's part of it, to be honest. a feeling that we are watching history.
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:50 (nineteen years ago)
the bad part about choosing not to know is that every time you go back to learn more after having ignored it for however long, it's so much worse.
― Maria (Maria), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:00 (nineteen years ago)
(from the American Psychological Association)
For those struggling to cope from afarEven if you were not in the actual disaster, you may experience asense of vulnerability from witnessing the results of the disaster. This can be especially acute if a relative or friend was affected by the disaster, particularly if you have been unable to get news on their welfare.- Take a news break. Watching endless replays of footage from thedisaster can make your stress even greater. Although you'll want tokeep informed - especially if you have loved ones affected by thedisaster - take a break from watching the news.- Be kind to yourself. Some feelings when witnessing a disaster maybe difficult for you to accept. You may feel relief that the disasterdid not touch you, or you may feel guilt that you were left untouchedwhen so many were affected. Both feelings are common.- Keep things in perspective. Although a disaster often is horrifying, you should focus as well on the things that are good in your life.- Find a productive way to help if you can. Many organizations are set up to provide financial or other aid to victims of natural disasters. Contributing can be a way to gain some “control” over the event.- Control what you can. There are routines in your life that you can continue and sometimes you need to do those and take a break from even thinking about the disaster.- Look for opportunities for self-discovery and recognize your strengths. People often learn something about themselves and may find that they have grown in some respect as a result of persevering hrough hardship. Many people who have experienced tragedy and adversity have reported better relationships, greater sense of personal strength even while feeling vulnerable, increased sense of self-worth, deeper spirituality, and heightened appreciation for life.
Even if you were not in the actual disaster, you may experience asense of vulnerability from witnessing the results of the disaster.
This can be especially acute if a relative or friend was affected by the disaster, particularly if you have been unable to get news on their welfare.
- Take a news break. Watching endless replays of footage from thedisaster can make your stress even greater. Although you'll want tokeep informed - especially if you have loved ones affected by thedisaster - take a break from watching the news.
- Be kind to yourself. Some feelings when witnessing a disaster maybe difficult for you to accept. You may feel relief that the disasterdid not touch you, or you may feel guilt that you were left untouchedwhen so many were affected. Both feelings are common.
- Keep things in perspective. Although a disaster often is horrifying, you should focus as well on the things that are good in your life.
- Find a productive way to help if you can. Many organizations are set up to provide financial or other aid to victims of natural disasters. Contributing can be a way to gain some “control” over the event.
- Control what you can. There are routines in your life that you can continue and sometimes you need to do those and take a break from even thinking about the disaster.
- Look for opportunities for self-discovery and recognize your strengths. People often learn something about themselves and may find that they have grown in some respect as a result of persevering hrough hardship. Many people who have experienced tragedy and adversity have reported better relationships, greater sense of personal strength even while feeling vulnerable, increased sense of self-worth, deeper spirituality, and heightened appreciation for life.
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:13 (nineteen years ago)
that's the troubling thing though -- there's too much history being made lately and none of it's the good kind. and yet it's all deja vu, innit. what we've been watching over the past decade or so is is lawlessness all across the spectrum, sociopathic behavior gone unchecked, a total lack of guile. i would be numb to it if so many lives weren't being shat upon in the process.
― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago)
yeah, that's the bitch of it.
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:23 (nineteen years ago)
Uh, I was briefly listening to that crazy fuck Michael Savage (partly out of curiosity, partly because in the small town where I am this is the only talk radio I can get, until the NPR affiliate has a program on at midnight) and some dude called in from Houston saying people there are sketched out about the new folks coming into town and stores have sold out of weapons and ammo. holy shit, I hope he's exaggerating.
― dar1a g (daria g), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:00 (nineteen years ago)
― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago)
This was some amazing TV. Kudos to Shep Smith and Geraldo for not letting O'Reilly and Hannity spin their GOP "resolve" apologia bullshit. I'm fairly shocked.
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago)
― Maria (Maria), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:15 (nineteen years ago)
― internet comedy novice (Matt Chesnut), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:25 (nineteen years ago)
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:35 (nineteen years ago)
The mother of a guy I work with had the children of some friends show up on her doorstep the other night, tired, unshowered and starving. She's putting the family of five up in her apartment and today he asked us to donate children's clothing and toys to help her.
― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:44 (nineteen years ago)
― Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 14:25 (nineteen years ago)
The first thing he needs to do is fire his FEMA guy. Not allow to, you know, resign in six months to spend more time with his family or whatever. He needs to straight-up fire him, and hire someone into that position who knows wtf they're doing. It's literally a matter of national security. Not that that would solve all the problems, and it would also have a scapegoating effect, letting a lot of other people off the hook, but at least it would be a signal that he took this shit seriously.
Not that I actually expect it to happen.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 3 September 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago)
― Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago)
Anyway, they have some great management down there- evacuations at the Superdome are halted.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Katrina-Superdome-HK1.html
― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago)
― Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago)
BoingBoing.net had a thing yesterday about how FEMA (usually) offers temp distaster relief jobs.
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:11 (nineteen years ago)
http://admin.vladeksheybal.com/Mem-Apple101.jpg
He's all about the BIM.
― Gogi Ormsby-Gore (Arthur), Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Wiggy (Wiggy), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago)
― Wiggy (Wiggy), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago)
― carson dial (carson dial), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago)
While nobody else could fly around there to provide relief!
It's funny that Chertoff mentions Blanco so much (trying to pin blame on the Democrats, maybe?) considering that she's so conservative that Nagin supported the Republican candidate she was up against in the last gubernatorial election!
― Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago)
― jason.., Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago)
True enough Hurting. I'm also finding it rather incredulous that he continues to say that nobody foresaw the two catastrophes happening at the same time - if New Orleans was vulnerable to hurricanes, surely it's fairly obvious that a hurricane could also break the levees?
― carson dial (carson dial), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago)
― jason.., Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago)
― tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago)
after i leave here, i'm biking up the local record store to buy the Kanye album.
Also, according to that TV over there, Wisconsin is beating Bowling Green by 7 points in the 3rd.
― kingfish, Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago)
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago)
a very bad speaker too, but that's by the by
prick
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago)
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago)
― carson dial (carson dial), Saturday, 3 September 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago)
El Doofus made the area a federal disaster area on sunday. Guess who got control of the relief effort then, overriding state/local efforts.
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago)
jewishsightseeing.com, Jan. 26, 2005
U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla) has urged President Bush to fire Michael Brown as undersecretary of the Homeland Security Department in charge of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).
Wexler cited reports in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that FEMA under Brown's management inappropriately gave away $30 million in disaster relief funds to people in the Miami, Florida, area even though they were not affected by Hurricane Frances, which made landfall more than 100 miles away.
In his letter to Bush, Wexler wrote: "According to several news accounts by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 'FEMA has written checks to cover new wardrobes, cars, lawn mowers, vacuum cleaners, furniture and thousands of televisions, microwave ovens, stoves, air conditioners and other appliances.' In addition, the Sun-Sentinel cites that FEMA paid $4,500 for one resident’s funeral, even though the county medical examiner recorded no storm-related deaths. Another Sun-Sentinel article stated that two residents received aid for 'dental treatments due to dental injuries received during the disaster.' In six other cases, FEMA reimbursed residents for damage caused by 'ice/snow.'"
In a Jan. 24 news release, Wexler added: "On Monday, January 11, FEMA held a news conference acknowledging that they made $12 million in overpayments to 3,500 individuals — blaming these overpayments on a 'computer glitch.' FEMA, however, continues to deny additional systematic problems and cites the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to prove that there were legitimate hurricane conditions in Miami-Dade. Yet, according to the Sun-Sentinel, NOAA has refuted the weather maps FEMA claims to have obtained from them. As the head of FEMA, Under Secretary Brown oversees federal disaster response and recovery operations, and it is negligent of him to refuse to accept responsibility for its agency mistakes."
“Rather than taking responsibility for FEMA’s mishaps and moving expeditiously to correct the problems, Under Secretary Brown has further undermined his agency’s reputation by stymied investigations and inquiries into fraud allegations," Wexler added. "FEMA’s massive misallocation of recovery aid is a gross waste of taxpayer monies, which must be immediately addressed by the Bush Administration,” Wexler said. —Donald H. Harrison
― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago)
― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago)
I'll "never forget!" what's going on in my mind right now. Just like I can get still get myself all worked up about the 2000 Election without much work. The hurricane was one thing; I've witnessed so many of those every summer. But seeing an entire city descend into the madness and destruction of the last week, and watching how MY government has handled it has really affected me. It's affected me in ways that other national tragedies haven't before.
-- Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, September 2, 2005 7:25 PM (Friday, September 2, 2005 7:25 PM) Bookmark Link
I'm still mad about Katrina. I'm mad at how the government - local, state, and (where the buck should stop) federal - handled it. I'm mad that poor people were left to die. I'm mad that Sean Penn got in there before the Coast Guard. I'm mad about how two years later, there are empty trailers still sitting at the Hope, Arkansas airport. I'm mad that the levees aren't being rebuilt to stop a storm like this one again. And not to sound like a complete xenophobe, but I'm mad that this shit happened here. You just shouldn't have drowned Americans floating in the streets of a major American city.
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 30 August 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago)
40% of N.O.'s population still hasn't come back
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 30 August 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago)
and don't forget about the hundreds of other little towns in the path of the hurricane that have literally vanished - and don't forget that there has been virtually no assistance for those people whose jobs, homes and lives have been shattered - the incompetent govt reaction rolls on
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 30 August 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago)
See, and I'm mad at myself for not ever thinking about Mississippi. I wonder if Trent Lott ever got his front porch rebuilt.
Those insurance companies that still haven't paid out because they're hem-hawing about whether damage was incurred from wind or water. They make me mad too.
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 30 August 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago)
it's all so fucked, beyond even the physical infrastructure - decades' worth of legal documents, property deeds, medical records.. just gone
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 30 August 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago)