Katrina: wanting to know vs. not wanting to know

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I've been following all the Katrina news (TV, blogs, newspapers) very closely over the past several days and vacillating between anger, concern, and extreme debilitating depression. But every time I say "enough of this already" and try to divert my attention to something else, I get antsy for new information and rush back to watching CNN, or scouring the ILE threads for updates. How much information do I need, anyway? Is it "ghoulish" to be glued to the news this way if there's nothing I can do? I think I have a fairly good grasp on how bad things have gotten, and how awfully it's been managed. What I'd really like to do is push it away until it finally comes over the transom that everyone who's alive is safe and well on their way to building new lives, and not stuck eating army food on some horrible cot in a stadium.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

I agree, Jody. I stayed away from it for a few hours this morning but then I got hooked back in again this afternoon. I dunno what the answer is.

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

I also worry that people will get so fatigued by the hugeness of this story that once it dies down it'll go straight to the backs of their minds, while the victims will suffer for years to come. This first wave of public sympathy and charity is wonderful, but I hope it doesn't dry up too quickly, because it'll be needed for a much longer time than most of our attention spans will allow.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

not stuck eating army food on some horrible cot in a stadium.

From the sounds of it, those that entertain that luxury are the implausibly luck ones.

At first, I was expecting just typical hurricane coverage (y'know, the usual footage of supposedly intrepid reporters wearing drenched windbreakers commenting on how the wind has blown down road signs, etc.), but of course this is much, much more than your workaday storm. I'm both horrified and fascinated by the stories that are emerging from it. It's so hard to fathom.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

I tend to save it all up for late at night and then stay up for hours waaaay past when I should be asleep reading up.

This is not a recommended plan.

Casuistry (Chris P), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, this same thing happened 4 years ago(fuck almost to the day, innit?).

after having already stayed up all night the previous evening due to insomnia, i read newssites from that morning until about 1am. I slept for 4 hours, then got up and did it again for another 12+. Being unemployed at the time and at my parents house did not help things.

they wrote essays about this. something about a feeling of guilt mixed with helplessness & impotence making you feel compelled to find out all you can, since you can't do really anything to help.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

Tonight is my second overnight, 12-hour shift next to two televisions broadcasting CNN and MSNBC. Just like the London Bombings, the Tsnumai and, of course, September 11th, the story is all-consuming. There is no other news. I have to watch (or at least listen) to the story. It's more depressing than can be described.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'll "never forget!" what's going on in my mind right now. Just like I can get still get myself all worked up about the 2000 Election without much work. The hurricane was one thing; I've witnessed so many of those every summer. But seeing an entire city descend into the madness and destruction of the last week, and watching how MY government has handled it has really affected me. It's affected me in ways that other national tragedies haven't before.

Then again, New Orleans is a city that I used to try to get down to at least once or twice a year. It is personal for me.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

but you know what i can't deal with and absolutely refuse to read about?

stories about pets. i seriously think it'd be what pushed me over the edge.

i really wish i hadn't run out of celexa last month...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

i think everyone should watch it.or as much as they can take. there needs to be lots of witnesses. it's important that people don't forget what happened down there.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

but you know what i can't deal with and absolutely refuse to read about?

Oh absolutely. I just saw some woman's little dog on TV that she managed to rescue and it just seemed incredibly tasteless to even mention while there are still babies stranded out there somewhere.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

Pleasant Plains, OTM.

Would it be ghoulish, Alex and Jody, to suggest a FAP, just so we can get out of the house, or would we only work ourselves further into a lather?

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

My wife is like that about the pets. Floating bodies, check. But that shot of the National Guard taking the poodle away, like the family was part of the Japanese-American Internment, THAT got to her.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

Would it be ghoulish, Alex and Jody, to suggest a FAP, just so we can get out of the house, or would we only work ourselves further into a lather?

there's that trivia night coming up at magnetic field next week.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

I have to say, I've always liked the guy, but watching Anderson Cooper get all incredulous and fired up with platitude-spewing government officials has given me new respect for the man.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

I think I may have misunderstood the bit about the pets.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

A FAP would be nice, but I've kinda got some family issues going on these days, so I can't really get out of the house as much (it's a positive thing, but I cannot get into it at the moment).

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

When gear posted the thing about the dog, Snowy, no Snowball!, it got to me too. All of your adult defense mechanisms, like anger, for instance, are down.

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

while this is true, we now live in an age of digital camera, cameraphones, and DV cams. Media of this will be EVERYwhere.

but yeah, as a society, we tend to get distracted. in two years time, there will be still be problems about this...

it just seemed incredibly tasteless

it's not that the trivialness, tho i can see where folks would get annoyed with it. it's the emotional connection. i can't deal with a missing dog. seriously. i can't fucking deal with it.

like the family was part of the Japanese-American Internment, THAT got to her.

exactly. it's hard enough to read/see about the total human misery still going on right as i type this and NBC news is going on in the next room, but hearing shit cops taking away somebody's dog, THAT would be the final slice putting me into such a violent rage.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

oops, my first bit was replying to scott

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'm in shock that this is happening in a major US city. I walked home from work through downtown today at 5 PM. And it was weird, thinking that a week ago, downtown in New Orleans probably looked just like Seattle, and thinking about what it turned into in such a short period of time. I'm stunned that a WHOLE WORK WEEK after this storm hit, they can't get things undercontrol. I mean, I realize the logistical challenges, and setting up war rooms and conference calls down on the ground has got to be difficult or impossible, but what about the people in Washington DC? Their phone lines aren't flooded out.

Anyway. Surreal. When I got home, I went and checked that I had batteries in my earthquake backpack on my closet shelf & put some fresh water in. Just in case, you know, Mt Rainier decides to erupt tonight or something. :-P

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm stunned that a WHOLE WORK WEEK after this storm hit, they can't get things undercontrol.

That's the meat of it right there, though, right? These people have every right to feel like they've been abandoned --- because for all intents and purposes, they have been.

Bush passing the buck by calling the relief effort "unacceptable" is in itself unacceptable.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

even if bush doesn't assume culpability, he should assume responsibility, and he should have done it from the get-go. that's how you save the day, by just stepping in and getting shit done.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago)

(but there's a politics thread for posts like that)

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:49 (nineteen years ago)


even if bush doesn't assume culpability, he should assume responsibility,

OTM, but that's really not his style.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

And it was weird, thinking that a week ago, downtown in New Orleans probably looked just like Seattle, and thinking about what it turned into in such a short period of time.

We drove through McDonald's last night, and I felt like I wasn't fully appreciating the fact the roads were try, businesses were open, no bodies were in the ditches, and no one was trying to pull me out of my mini-van.

Meanwhile, as I write this, there's another family who remains trapped in their sweltering attic, preparing for Night #4 of total darkness.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

that's how you save the day, by just stepping in and getting shit done.

The "stepping in" part is inappropriate though. That's what he's trying to do now by riding in with the national guard and trying to make it look like he came to save the day after other people screwed up. He shouldn't have had to step in because he should have been involved all along!

walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:55 (nineteen years ago)

trying to make it look like he came to save the day after other people screwed up. He shouldn't have had to step in because he should have been involved all along!

OTM.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:58 (nineteen years ago)

But he didn't know the levee was going to break!

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

It's not that he didn't know, it's that he gambled that they wouldn't when he switched funds away from fortifying them towards funding the war in Iraq. He lost that gamble. And I reckon it might be his undoing.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:06 (nineteen years ago)

I'm talking to my coastie right now (in grad school, but some of his buddies are at work on this) and he's furious. He feels that they train for this over and over and over and he's ranting right now about how people (beauracratic groups) need to actually talk to each other and convey information and the massive breakdown here. I still really can't believe we're seeing something like this happen in a huge city.

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I guess he could have known if he had visited your Led Zeppelin vs. Cream thread.

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:12 (nineteen years ago)

That wasn't my thread.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:16 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, sorry, it was Led Zeppelin vs. The Stones, sort of.

k/l (Ken L), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

Wanting to know. Even though I spend all my time at work finding out about it, and arguing for more coverage, and stealing ile links for our blog coverage, when I come home I end up watching and listening to even more stuff about it, even when I should be warm in bed.

Partly it's because I'm incensed and outraged at the mess that's been made, partly because I have friends who stay near there, partly for the schadenfreude of watching Bush fumble and mostly because it's utterly compelling. I can't imagine not wanting to know about it.

stet (stet), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:49 (nineteen years ago)

partly for the schadenfreude of watching Bush fumble and mostly because it's utterly compelling. I can't imagine not wanting to know about it.

that's part of it, to be honest. a feeling that we are watching history.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

i'm choosing "not wanting to know." and by that, i mean i've only spent a few hours reading about it today. sadness and anger is one thing, but my helplessness is really what makes me want to not think about it. (especially lately because i've been thinking in a weird dostoevskian way where every individual is responsible for the macrocosm of humanity, which means that even though i'm helpless to do any more, the avoidable tragedies are still sort of my fault.)

the bad part about choosing not to know is that every time you go back to learn more after having ignored it for however long, it's so much worse.

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:00 (nineteen years ago)

i'm reposting this here, too, because i think it's appropriate and helpful:

(from the American Psychological Association)

For those struggling to cope from afar

Even if you were not in the actual disaster, you may experience a
sense of vulnerability from witnessing the results of the disaster.

This can be especially acute if a relative or friend was affected by the disaster, particularly if you have been unable to get news on their welfare.

- Take a news break. Watching endless replays of footage from the
disaster can make your stress even greater. Although you'll want to
keep informed - especially if you have loved ones affected by the
disaster - take a break from watching the news.

- Be kind to yourself. Some feelings when witnessing a disaster may
be difficult for you to accept. You may feel relief that the disaster
did not touch you, or you may feel guilt that you were left untouched
when so many were affected. Both feelings are common.

- Keep things in perspective. Although a disaster often is horrifying, you should focus as well on the things that are good in your life.

- Find a productive way to help if you can. Many organizations are set up to provide financial or other aid to victims of natural disasters. Contributing can be a way to gain some “control” over the event.

- Control what you can. There are routines in your life that you can continue and sometimes you need to do those and take a break from even thinking about the disaster.

- Look for opportunities for self-discovery and recognize your strengths. People often learn something about themselves and may find that they have grown in some respect as a result of persevering hrough hardship. Many people who have experienced tragedy and adversity have reported better relationships, greater sense of personal strength even while feeling vulnerable, increased sense of self-worth, deeper spirituality, and heightened appreciation for life.


kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:13 (nineteen years ago)

that's part of it, to be honest. a feeling that we are watching history.

that's the troubling thing though -- there's too much history being made lately and none of it's the good kind. and yet it's all deja vu, innit. what we've been watching over the past decade or so is is lawlessness all across the spectrum, sociopathic behavior gone unchecked, a total lack of guile. i would be numb to it if so many lives weren't being shat upon in the process.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

there's too much history being made lately and none of it's the good kind.

yeah, that's the bitch of it.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

A friend of mine kind of ordered me to stay away from the news for a little bit, so far I haven't listened.

Uh, I was briefly listening to that crazy fuck Michael Savage (partly out of curiosity, partly because in the small town where I am this is the only talk radio I can get, until the NPR affiliate has a program on at midnight) and some dude called in from Houston saying people there are sketched out about the new folks coming into town and stores have sold out of weapons and ammo. holy shit, I hope he's exaggerating.

dar1a g (daria g), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

The thought of ten thousand or more homeless, jobless, hopeless coming into your city -- likely for good -- is overwhelming. Not to the point of weapons, my mind strays in a completely opposite direction, but it does make one "sketch out" a little bit.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2005_08_28_digbysblog_archive.html#112571033355120776

This was some amazing TV. Kudos to Shep Smith and Geraldo for not letting O'Reilly and Hannity spin their GOP "resolve" apologia bullshit. I'm fairly shocked.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

a friend in louisiana said that she's glad 12000 people managed to evacuate to her town, but in a town of 20000, whenever she goes out in public she gets nervous about the sudden crowds and confusion. it's understandable.

Maria (Maria), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

i think it was NBC reporting tonight that eventually up to 150,000 refugees will wind up in texas.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Yep, Houston's gonna get its share as well as Dallas and San Antonio.

internet comedy novice (Matt Chesnut), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

this is pretty much the reaction i have to the bush government in general. i want to know about all the fucked up shit it does, but then i can't stand it anymore.

mookieproof (mookieproof), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:35 (nineteen years ago)

Like I said on a previous thread Austin's prepared two different arenas for an expected 7,000 to arrive by midnight. The university where I work has opened their doors as well as local schools and there will be a special job fair for evacuees this weekend.

The mother of a guy I work with had the children of some friends show up on her doorstep the other night, tired, unshowered and starving. She's putting the family of five up in her apartment and today he asked us to donate children's clothing and toys to help her.

Miss Misery (thatgirl), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

I keep paying attention because of all the administrative fuck-ups. I want things to get better, but they're not and if they still keep getting worse then I want to be even more outraged and demand that Chertoff swing on a noose of his choice and oil companies to be held hostage.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

even if bush doesn't assume culpability, he should assume responsibility

The first thing he needs to do is fire his FEMA guy. Not allow to, you know, resign in six months to spend more time with his family or whatever. He needs to straight-up fire him, and hire someone into that position who knows wtf they're doing. It's literally a matter of national security. Not that that would solve all the problems, and it would also have a scapegoating effect, letting a lot of other people off the hook, but at least it would be a signal that he took this shit seriously.

Not that I actually expect it to happen.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 3 September 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I'm thinking he should dispose of Chertoff, who has been the greatest threat to the handling of this operation all along. However, he won't -- Chertoff's too valuable a resource to him.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

If you feel helpless, one of the best things you can probably do, aside from just donating money, is find some way to volunteer. Obviously you can't just pack a bag and go to NO right now, but your local red cross might need someone for the phone bank, for example. My guess is they'll also soon need volunteers for the rebuilding. You can also probably donate blood. Maybe you can also look into arranging some kind of benefit party or concert if you're that type. I imagine this is going to require a staggering amount of money, that no amount of donations could be too much.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to see if this will post, as I was trying to write on the "Katrina aftermath" thread and nothing would go through.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, that worked. Anyway, the Convention Center is finally being evacuated but it's been five days since Katrina made landfall.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

I can't post to the katrina aftermath thread, either. I guess we killed it.

Anyway, they have some great management down there- evacuations at the Superdome are halted.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Katrina-Superdome-HK1.html

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, I meant to note that, too. Yeesh, as soon as good news comes there's always a number of things to detract from it.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://georgedoesntcare.ytmnd.com/

BoingBoing.net had a thing yesterday about how FEMA (usually) offers temp distaster relief jobs.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Every time I see Chertoff on the news, I think of this guy...

http://admin.vladeksheybal.com/Mem-Apple101.jpg

He's all about the BIM.

Gogi Ormsby-Gore (Arthur), Saturday, 3 September 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to see Bu$hy put up some of those refugees on his HUGE texas ranch feed clothe and shelter them, but it won't happen for so many reasons and if it did he would somehow spin it into "see how human and in touch I am with my people". Nevermind that he 1-let this go on for a week whicle on holiday at the Texas ranch, 2-decided not to spend on reinforcing the levees 3-flew over NOL in his fuel sucking jet and said it looks bad 4-decided he better visit in person and saw the squalor chaos death and destruction and then said this is “unacceptable”. Wtf. He is unacceptable. Alfred E Newman, “what me worry?”

Wiggy (Wiggy), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

sorry that really should have been posted to the POLITICAL Katrina thread.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Chertoff likes to keep mentioning 'the governor' when he's describing how things didn't go quite as planned, doesn't he?

carson dial (carson dial), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Well, the governor didn't exactly do a stellar job. There's plenty of blame to go around.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

3-flew over NOL in his fuel sucking jet and said it looks bad

While nobody else could fly around there to provide relief!



It's funny that Chertoff mentions Blanco so much (trying to pin blame on the Democrats, maybe?) considering that she's so conservative that Nagin supported the Republican candidate she was up against in the last gubernatorial election!

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Fox news just showed some helicopter footage of a family in NO swimming in their inflatable pool as if the flood water surrounding them didnt exist. They all smiled and waved to the camera for a second before resuming what they were doing. It was one of the most bizarre things i've seen all week.

jason.., Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

True enough Hurting. I'm also finding it rather incredulous that he continues to say that nobody foresaw the two catastrophes happening at the same time - if New Orleans was vulnerable to hurricanes, surely it's fairly obvious that a hurricane could also break the levees?

carson dial (carson dial), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

So to answer the question, i'd go with not wanting to know. Somehow, there is a trapped family in NO who are having more fun than I am right now.

jason.., Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

(In other random news, fantasy writer Robert Asprin is alive and well and holed up in the French Quarter, though to be honest I didn't realize he was there in the first place. But now we know.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Although I've followed the storm more or less on the internet and radio I can't bring myself to watch any video of it, so I guess I don't want to know. I haven't watched TV in a week anyway due to powering through the first season of '24' but I've obviously been avoiding the carnage subconsciously anyway. Coincidentally, I was out of the country/away from TV for much of the tsunami coverage, but I'm remembering how compulsively following the 9/11 aftermath in particular messed me up for months and it's my decision to help any way I can but not to absorb it full stop.

tremendoid (tremendoid), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'm at the Red Cross right now, waiting to donate blood! there's about 20-25 donors waiting, and they're busy enough to knock 'em 30 mins behind sched.

after i leave here, i'm biking up the local record store to buy the Kanye album.

Also, according to that TV over there, Wisconsin is beating Bowling Green by 7 points in the 3rd.

kingfish, Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Well, if there's any small consolation to any of this, it's watching idiots like Chertoff and Hastert shoot themselves in the feet. It's not much of a consolation though.

Hurting (Hurting), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Oh it's a consolation all right. Among other things it makes all the flacks realize how flack-like they are -- that or they cling to the thinnest of straws. Power worship is all the more naked.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 September 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

chertoff was pulling some real disingenuous sophistry when I saw him earlier on CNN

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

"our plan didn't allow for TWO catastrophes! what happened here was both a hurricane THEN a flood... we had no idea that grade-3-safe levees might break when broached by a grade-4 hurricane. we maintain that this was two entirely independent catastrophes, we couldn't have predicted that! I mean, there was no causal link, none that we could have predicted, no, no, not at all."

a very bad speaker too, but that's by the by

prick

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

fucking prick

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

and then started talking at length about atomic bombs…

carson dial (carson dial), Saturday, 3 September 2005 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

"the occurence of this entirely predictable event with a traceable cause is akin to, nay, is exactly the same as the occurence of a highly improbably unlinked catastrophe befalling the city of new orleans."

cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/08/20050828-1.html

El Doofus made the area a federal disaster area on sunday. Guess who got control of the relief effort then, overriding state/local efforts.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

Fire Michael Brown as FEMA head,
Rep. Wexler urges President Bush

jewishsightseeing.com, Jan. 26, 2005

U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler (D-Fla) has urged President Bush to fire Michael Brown as undersecretary of the Homeland Security Department in charge of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA).

Wexler cited reports in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel that FEMA under Brown's management inappropriately gave away $30 million in disaster relief funds to people in the Miami, Florida, area even though they were not affected by Hurricane Frances, which made landfall more than 100 miles away.

In his letter to Bush, Wexler wrote: "According to several news accounts by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, 'FEMA has written checks to cover new wardrobes, cars, lawn mowers, vacuum cleaners, furniture and thousands of televisions, microwave ovens, stoves, air conditioners and other appliances.' In addition, the Sun-Sentinel cites that FEMA paid $4,500 for one resident’s funeral, even though the county medical examiner recorded no storm-related deaths. Another Sun-Sentinel article stated that two residents received aid for 'dental treatments due to dental injuries received during the disaster.' In six other cases, FEMA reimbursed residents for damage caused by 'ice/snow.'"

In a Jan. 24 news release, Wexler added: "On Monday, January 11, FEMA held a news conference acknowledging that they made $12 million in overpayments to 3,500 individuals — blaming these overpayments on a 'computer glitch.' FEMA, however, continues to deny additional systematic problems and cites the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to prove that there were legitimate hurricane conditions in Miami-Dade. Yet, according to the Sun-Sentinel, NOAA has refuted the weather maps FEMA claims to
have obtained from them. As the head of FEMA, Under Secretary Brown oversees federal disaster response and recovery operations, and it is negligent of him to refuse to accept responsibility for its agency mistakes."

“Rather than taking responsibility for FEMA’s mishaps and moving expeditiously to correct the
problems, Under Secretary Brown has further undermined his agency’s reputation by stymied
investigations and inquiries into fraud allegations," Wexler added. "FEMA’s massive misallocation of recovery aid is a gross waste of taxpayer monies, which must be immediately addressed by the Bush Administration,” Wexler said. —Donald H. Harrison

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

i think it's another case of our administration deliberately putting a complete dolt in charge of something crucial as an easy scapegoat for the rest of their wrongdoings.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think that, because as has been often observed, BushCo is curiously reluctant to fire people up top.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 September 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

I'll "never forget!" what's going on in my mind right now. Just like I can get still get myself all worked up about the 2000 Election without much work. The hurricane was one thing; I've witnessed so many of those every summer. But seeing an entire city descend into the madness and destruction of the last week, and watching how MY government has handled it has really affected me. It's affected me in ways that other national tragedies haven't before.

Then again, New Orleans is a city that I used to try to get down to at least once or twice a year. It is personal for me.

-- Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, September 2, 2005 7:25 PM (Friday, September 2, 2005 7:25 PM) Bookmark Link

I'm still mad about Katrina. I'm mad at how the government - local, state, and (where the buck should stop) federal - handled it. I'm mad that poor people were left to die. I'm mad that Sean Penn got in there before the Coast Guard. I'm mad about how two years later, there are empty trailers still sitting at the Hope, Arkansas airport. I'm mad that the levees aren't being rebuilt to stop a storm like this one again. And not to sound like a complete xenophobe, but I'm mad that this shit happened here. You just shouldn't have drowned Americans floating in the streets of a major American city.

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 30 August 2007 16:05 (seventeen years ago)

40% of N.O.'s population still hasn't come back

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 30 August 2007 16:15 (seventeen years ago)

and don't forget about the hundreds of other little towns in the path of the hurricane that have literally vanished - and don't forget that there has been virtually no assistance for those people whose jobs, homes and lives have been shattered - the incompetent govt reaction rolls on

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 30 August 2007 16:16 (seventeen years ago)

See, and I'm mad at myself for not ever thinking about Mississippi. I wonder if Trent Lott ever got his front porch rebuilt.

Those insurance companies that still haven't paid out because they're hem-hawing about whether damage was incurred from wind or water. They make me mad too.

Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 30 August 2007 16:19 (seventeen years ago)

it's all so fucked, beyond even the physical infrastructure - decades' worth of legal documents, property deeds, medical records.. just gone

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 30 August 2007 16:21 (seventeen years ago)


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