Half the internet isn't working for me, aka more bloody computer problems

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Websites which work: ILX, gmail, Spizzazzz, livejournal

Websites which don't work: BBC, Guardian, US Open, Stylus

This started last night and may or may not be something to do with the fact that my Norton Anti Virus thing died a few weeks ago, though everything's worked fine since (bar error messages when I turn my computer on which I just click through) so I've been ignoring that. I ran Ad-Aware and am pretty sure there isn't a nasty virus in the computer. But it would probably be a good idea to get that working again.

Help!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 09:46 (twenty years ago)

uh-oh

RJG (RJG), Monday, 5 September 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)

Where did you get your anti-virus from? Did it come with the computer and lapse, or did it just quietly stop working?

(bar error messages when I turn my computer on which I just click through)

You are the reason computer support people cry themselves to sleep at night.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 5 September 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

does this site work?

http://212.187.153.30/

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 5 September 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

HELPS MY TAPE DECK WON'T 'REWIND'

N_RQ, Monday, 5 September 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

I think the anti-virus came with the computer and quietly stopped working. I can see the icon but there's a big red cross over it and when I click on its settings the "enable Anti Virus" box is unchecked, but re-checking it doesn't work.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 09:56 (twenty years ago)

Gareth, that site doesn't work, no.

I am not the worst technological person I know! My dad is confused by computer keyboards, and I know someone who doesn't know how to turn her mobile phone off.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

So its not a DNS issue, it might be a router problem on your ISP do

start -> run -> cmd

Shen type in tracert 212.187.153.30 and press enter, copy and paste the results from that in here.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:05 (twenty years ago)

In the Run box, it says it can't find the file 'cmd' or one of its components :(

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:08 (twenty years ago)

If some of the internet works but the rest doesn't, it's almost certainly an ISP problem.

In the Run box, it says it can't find the file 'cmd' or one of its components :(

How old a computer is this? Type "command.exe" instead.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

HELPS MY TAPE DECK WON'T 'REWIND'

turn it over and forward wind.

not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

It's a very elderly computer. About five years. It doesn't recognise 'command.exe' either.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

You are the reason computer support people cry themselves to sleep at night become killers

It doesn't recognise 'command.exe' either.

It *is* a Windows computer, right?

Try 'command.com'

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

It is a Windows computer! 98SE, I believe. command.com has worked and it's now burbling away to itself. But it won't let me copy and paste.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)

Well, no. It won't.

All this will do, anyway, is establish that we are right. It won't do anything to actually *fix* the problem :-)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

Yeah I was gonna suggest a tracert as well, sounds like ISP routing issues... tho these mysterious errors are a worry ;)

(hey, why am I doing support online while I'm at work doing err... support! hehe)

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

Basically there's a list of numbers which has reached 23 so far, and four columns, and most of the last columns say "request timed out" apart from a couple which say things like "15ms, 14ms, 13ms, corel-pos13-3.ealing.ukcore.bt.net and then an ip address.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

tracert 212.187.153.30 > c:\test.txt

then open up test.txt in notepad and copy paste from there.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

corel-pos13-3.ealing.ukcore.bt.net

Jel has hacked yr computer!!!

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

OK I managed to crash my computer while trying to type that in, just doing the tracert thing again!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

Although my flatmate says that he's having the same problems on his shiny new laptop so it's not just my computer being cantankerous as usual.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

Well, no. Like people have already said, it's your ISP that's fucked up.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

It says "c:\test.txt" is a 'bad command or file name' anyway.

Is the ISP the same as the modem?

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

No. Durr.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

The ISP is the company that provides your net access, they are having problems on there network which is why you can reach some sites but not others.

What are you typing in to the command windows when it says bad command or filename?

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:39 (twenty years ago)

I'm typing in c:\test.txt

So my ISP is BT? And there's nothing I can do to fix it myself?

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:40 (twenty years ago)

And there's nothing I can do to fix it myself?

Nope. Nothing.

You can try to whine at them if you like, but they're not very likely to listen. The only thing you can do is wait a few hours for them to fix it.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

the internet is telling you to get off your bum and do something productive lex ;) (i wish it will do that to me sometimes)

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:43 (twenty years ago)

(I speak as someone who has tried to report faults to BT many times in the past. Half-an-hour is the usual on-hold time.)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)

all the productive things I need to do involve the internet!

This has been going on since last night, how long do they bloody need to fix it, bah.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)

No, no, no you need type in full on one line

tracert 212.187.153.30 > c:\test.txt

This puts the output of the tracert into a text file so you can open the file in notepad and copy/paste here.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:47 (twenty years ago)

maybe one of us can run a proxy server that maybe alex can connect to and use?

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:49 (twenty years ago)

Ken, get off your bum and do something productive!

Teh Internet (GerryNemo), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:49 (twenty years ago)

try turning yourself off first and then tell me that.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

(It actually goes on longer than what's below, it goes up to 30, but that's all that was in test.txt)

Tracing route to www.guardian.co.uk [212.187.153.30]

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1

2 14 ms 15 ms 14 ms esr9.faraday3.broadband.bt.net [217.47.166.140]

3 * 13 ms * 217.47.166.13

4 * * * Request timed out.

5 * * * Request timed out.

6 * * * Request timed out.

7 13 ms 14 ms 15 ms 217.41.177.38

8 * * * Request timed out.

9 * * * Request timed out.

10 14 ms 15 ms 14 ms 194.74.65.205

11 14 ms 15 ms 14 ms core1-pos13-3.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [195.99.120.178]

12 * * * Request timed out.

13

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:50 (twenty years ago)

If Alex wants a proxy server then all he has to do is go and find an open one. It's not exactly difficult.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

actually yes there are like web proxy and stuff! if gmail works for you anyway and all you need is look at bbc websites and US open and stuff...

Lex: if you can get here... try http://proxify.com and then type in the guardian URL!

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:54 (twenty years ago)

Your tracret goes 30 hops from you to the Guardian website? That aint right.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:55 (twenty years ago)

Yeah that looks like ISP problems to me, routers all over the place time outs loops redirects etc.

Tracing route to www.guardian.co.uk [212.187.153.30]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 193.62.??.???
2 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 193.62.??.???
3 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms gw-ehche.netnw.net.uk [194.66.25.229]
4 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms gw-nnw-vlan110.netnw.net.uk [194.66.25.101]
5 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms manchester-bar.ja.net [146.97.40.201]
6 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms po11-0.warr-scr.ja.net [146.97.35.165]
7 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms po3-0.read-scr.ja.net [146.97.33.53]
8 9 ms 9 ms 9 ms po0-0.lond-scr3.ja.net [146.97.33.37]
9 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms po1-0.int-gw3.ja.net [146.97.35.250]
10 14 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-gw10-lon-11-0.sprintlink.net [213.206.159.81]

11 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms sl-bb21-lon-8-0.sprintlink.net [213.206.128.45]

12 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 213.206.131.22
13 12 ms 14 ms 13 ms ae-0-51.bbr1.London1.Level3.net [212.187.131.1]

14 10 ms 11 ms 10 ms as-0-0.bbr2.London2.Level3.net [4.68.128.110]
15 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms ge-11-0-52.ipcolo2.London2.Level3.net [212.187.1
29.150]
16 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms 195.50.116.78
17 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms edge-in.guardian.co.uk [212.187.153.248]
18 10 ms 11 ms 11 ms www.guardian.co.uk [212.187.153.30]

Trace complete.

Is what mine looks like.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:56 (twenty years ago)

Surely Lex can call BT helpdesk and say "are there network/routing issues on my POP?"

Unless they have "hi I'm a potplant" level 1 support.

I'm currently baffled over some Iraqui sattelite dish clients I cant get to stay online without theri transmit power levels being all outta whack and I barely know what I'm doing, haha :(

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

Even for me it only took 19 hops and I'm in aus =)

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

maybe they got hit by an e-bomb xpost

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:59 (twenty years ago)

Unless they have "hi I'm a potplant" level 1 support.

Believe me, they do. And that's after the half an hour you spend on hold waiting for them to pick up. If you say something like "are there routing issues on my POP," they'll probably try to talk you through setting up Outlook Express.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)

Haha :D

Actually a trace from me to Lex looks fine, but that doesnt neccesarily mean much I guess.

Tracing route to esr9.faraday3.broadband.bt.net [217.47.166.140]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.61.39.254
2 4 ms 4 ms 4 ms 10.61.1.9
3 24 ms 23 ms 24 ms 10.61.1.1
4 25 ms 51 ms 25 ms edge.newsat.com.au [202.5.191.33]
5 51 ms 62 ms 42 ms edge.newsat.com.au [202.59.16.249]
6 67 ms 219 ms 125 ms 202.59.31.61
7 30 ms 31 ms 40 ms 97.25.194.203.comindico.com.au [203.194.25.97]
8 32 ms 38 ms 32 ms ge3-0.bdr02-kent-syd.comindico.com.au [203.194.1.121]
9 35 ms 33 ms 40 ms unknown.net.reach.com [134.159.123.245]
10 33 ms 33 ms 60 ms i-5-0.syd-core02.net.reach.com [202.84.144.249]
11 183 ms 183 ms * i-0-0.wil-core02.net.reach.com [202.84.144.101]
12 214 ms 213 ms 215 ms i-2-0.dal-core01.net.reach.com [202.84.143.66]
13 249 ms 240 ms 249 ms i-10-0.chi-core01.net.reach.com [202.84.143.69]
14 274 ms 264 ms 265 ms unknown.net.reach.com [202.84.249.134]
15 336 ms 404 ms 335 ms i-6-1.lnx01.net.reach.com [202.84.249.94]
16 339 ms 339 ms 339 ms unknown.net.reach.com [134.159.95.26]
17 334 ms 343 ms 336 ms t2c2-ge6-2.uk-lon1.eu.bt.net [166.49.135.105]
18 340 ms 340 ms 339 ms t2c1-p4-3.uk-eal.eu.bt.net [166.49.208.109]
19 339 ms 338 ms 342 ms 166-49-168-14.eu.bt.net [166.49.168.14]
20 362 ms 335 ms 333 ms core2-pos5-2.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [194.72.9.237]
21 333 ms 333 ms 335 ms core2-pos13-3.kingston.ukcore.bt.net [195.99.120.181]
22 336 ms 336 ms 334 ms core2-pos4-1.faraday.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.16.254]
23 342 ms 340 ms 341 ms londonc-access2-e1.ukcore.bt.net [194.72.4.54]
24 348 ms 337 ms 334 ms 217.47.166.105
25 336 ms 335 ms 334 ms esr9.faraday3.broadband.bt.net [217.47.166.140]

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

Yeah most of my hops are just getting out of ja.net good thing its like lightning.

xpost

Trust that they are working on it and try a proxy.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:02 (twenty years ago)

omg I have no idea what a proxy is but that proxify website is amazing!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)

is it working???

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

er. it was. it appears to have seized up now :(

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

the proxy in this instance works by gathering the webpages to its own server and then recreating them so you can see it..

so instead of trying to get the webpage directly e.g.

[ your PC ] ---------------------------> [ Sharapovasbum.com ]

you actually are doing this

[your PC] ---------> [proxify] --------------> [Sharapovasbum.com]

i.e. you can't get to sharapova's sweet ass directly because BT is cockblocking you.

but instead you can use proxify (because presumably they don't use BT) who basically connects to sharapova's bum on your behalf, and then tells you how sweet and round it was after its done.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

Ken can you come work on my helpdesk haha :D

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

C:\>tracert sharapovasbum.com
Unable to resolve target system name sharapovasbum.com.

damn you chu

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

but yeah proxify (like most free web proxy sites i found) is not very reliable..

another trick you can do is try and use http://babelfish.altavista.com to translate the sites you want to see (works in the exact same way as proxify). only drawback is that you'll end up having to read the guardian in french

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

i think sharapova's bum might transcend language.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

i think it speaks a language of its own. and each word is music and love.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

this is like chinese to me. i'm happy to have an apple comp. ;-)

nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

this thread is almost as exciting as adam's passport crisis -- not.

N_RQ, Monday, 5 September 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

Its for us poor sad helpdesk geeks to feel like we can do something useful for once =)

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:42 (twenty years ago)

not everyone prefer adam's passport to sharapova's bum.

ken c (ken c), Monday, 5 September 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

i'm happy to have an apple comp

in this instance, having a mac would make things worse. at least BT are vaguely aware of the concept of a windows PC and can theoretically support it. if the lex had a mac, they'd blame everything on that and tell him how they don't actually offer mac support.

still. doesn't stop me using them as an ISP. i like to live on the edge.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 5 September 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

we need help!

we're with at&t, our wireless has been problem free for over a year... then the modem just suddenly turned itself off one day and wouldn't turn back on. so we bought a new one, a stupid netgear one, which has been causing us endless problems. at least once a day it needs to be reset, sometimes 3 or 4 times a day. this was annoying but we were putting up with it.

today it pretty much won't work at all. it flickers on and off. trying to get tech support is basically like trying to get blood from a stone.

anyone got any ideas? anything we can do ourselves to make it 'work'? what other, more reliable, wireless options should we be looking at?

DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Saturday, 7 November 2009 03:44 (sixteen years ago)

I have AT&T too in SF and I have had the same problem in the past. I thought it was the modem, but it was actually the dsl line resetting and dropping and not the modem, it would always work itself out after a few days. I am actually using a maybe 9 yr old modem now with a separate new wireless router and that works well. Are you torrenting on the computer? If you are try lowering the number of connections allowed in the program's prefs. hen I have had problems with AT&T before I got better help from http://www.dslreports.com/forum/ilec,pcb than I did from the isp itself.

svend, Saturday, 7 November 2009 04:11 (sixteen years ago)

thanks svend - yeah, when we first had problems we rang att&t who said it was netgear's problem, so we rang netgear who then said it was at&t. hours later we got it working, albeit with the daily resetting. my husband is on the ph with at&t now, not sure how much they'll be able to actually help us.

DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Saturday, 7 November 2009 04:16 (sixteen years ago)

Is it an adsl connection? It could be the modem, but if it is actually losing sync it could be the ISP or it could even be the phone line in yr house.

i obtain much semillon (Trayce), Saturday, 7 November 2009 08:41 (sixteen years ago)

If its cable, Im shit out of ideas.

i obtain much semillon (Trayce), Saturday, 7 November 2009 08:41 (sixteen years ago)

FOUR YEARS and there's still no Sharapovasbum.com :-(((

When my wireless router's disconnection problems went away when I told it to use a specific channel instead of the "choose one automatically" setting - randomly tried a couple until I found one that had the best signal strength and that was it (i.e. the page on your router's setup configuration page where you can pick Channel 01 : 2.412 GHz , Channel 02 : 2.417 GHz , etc)

StanM, Saturday, 7 November 2009 10:20 (sixteen years ago)

Er... "My wireless router's disconnection problems went away when I told it to..." - that first "When" is from a beta version of the sentence.

StanM, Saturday, 7 November 2009 10:22 (sixteen years ago)

Ah, if Jus is talking purely about her own wireless signal (ie the wifi) then AT&T cant do anything, cos it'll be the wireless router.

i obtain much semillon (Trayce), Saturday, 7 November 2009 10:45 (sixteen years ago)

nah it's not the wireless router, it's the modem.

we've had this wireless router for over a year and literally had zero problems with it. the AT&T modem just died recently and we replaced it with a netgear-brand modem which has been nothing but problematic. gonna try to find an AT&T modem today and see if that fixes the issue. (since we bought this piece of shit, jordan has spent roughly 9 hours on the ph with tech support, in total)

DAN P3RRY MAD AT GRANDMA (just1n3), Saturday, 7 November 2009 18:41 (sixteen years ago)

ah ok, sorry for the false hope there :-(

StanM, Saturday, 7 November 2009 18:46 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah occams razor would suggest its the modem - swap another in, if it works, thats yr issue. Netgear and Dlink are both pretty crummy. (tho I have a dlink and it behaves kind of ok)

i obtain much semillon (Trayce), Saturday, 7 November 2009 23:57 (sixteen years ago)


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