Shamefully, this is one of the many books I've had on my shelf for quite some time now but haven't gotten around to finishing. Though, from what I recall, Steve Coogan certainly seems like he'd fit the part. And Michael Winterbottom can come up with some pretty good stuff if he's on a roll. So I'm interested to see if this can be pulled off well.
For those of you who've read the book itself, what's your initial reaction here? Is this a terrible idea? Ingenious casting? A disaster on the scale of Catcher in the Rye: the Musical? You decide.
― Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe (Plastic Gas Booby Trap), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)
Hmm, that could be trouble. Although Lost in La Mancha was at least entertaining for a glimpse of complete failure. But I assume you mean more "film within a film" here and not documentary. Eh, I guess it could work.
― Werner Herzog Eats His Vegetables (Plastic Gas Booby Trap), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)
― stevie (stevie), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)
I read this 'novel' during an English Literature course. A disappointment as David Hockney had bigged it up so much a few years earlier.
― Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)
It has been said that good (ie *literary*) books don't make good films, because too much of what makes a book good cannot be put into a film. However, mediocre to bad books (ie the stuff you read for fun) can make excellent films.
Examples:
Vanity Fair: great book, crap film (all of them)
Elmore Leonard books (can't think of the titles off the top of my head): okay books but generally good films.
Lord of the Rings, parts 1 to 100: I won't even go there, as I hate all that sword and sorcery stuff with a passion.
― andyjack (andyjack), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)
http://sansebastian.mister-i.com/2005/pelien.jsp?id=530128
I like the book a lot. Or should I say liked.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)
― britishes name, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)
no-one will think less of you for saying, "i didn't laugh once". better that than, oh it's not unfunny, it's just that people had a different sense of hummour back then.
― N_RQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)
― N_RQ (Enrique), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)
― The Obligatory Sourpuss (Begs2Differ), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)
― andyjack (andyjack), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)
You clearly haven't read the book!
I have been thinking of rereading this.
Playing the title character in Tristram Shandy seems like an unrewarding role, unless you're really into voice overs or are a toddler (or better yet, an embryo -- it is a keen role for some up-and-coming embryo).
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 17:57 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)
― k/l (Ken L), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 18:16 (twenty years ago)
― Enrique, naked in an unfamiliar future where corporations run the world... (Enri, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)
― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)
― maria tessa sciarrino (theoreticalgirl), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)
not allowed to say anymore.
but not having read the book, or even being aware of it, the film in itself is slightly plodding. Coogan became irritating as it dragged on.
― Tannenbaum Schmidt (Nik), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 8 September 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 8 September 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)
My fixer is on the case, ticketwise.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 8 September 2005 07:46 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 8 September 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)
it will make a horrible movie no matter what they do
― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Thursday, 8 September 2005 08:20 (twenty years ago)
i haven't read it
― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 8 September 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)
― I Ain't No Addict, Whoever Heard of a Junkie as Old as Me? (noodle vague), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)
It was described as "a film within a film within a film" which is one level of horrible meta-ness too far, probably.
― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)
― Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 23 October 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 24 October 2005 06:43 (twenty years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 24 October 2005 06:48 (twenty years ago)
I had hardly seen him before this; now I like him.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 24 October 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)
Should have been filmed in Stony Stratford.
― Mikey G (Mikey G), Monday, 24 October 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)
my favourite bit (which they seem to be using as the film show/trailer bit) is when rob brydon is ripping the pi$$ out of coogan and doing his accent and everything.
i think part of this is coogan trying to do the "haha, look everyone i can laugh at myself" in an attempt to remove the "coogan is a humourless prick with a big car fixation" rumours. i hope it backfires immensely...
― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 24 October 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)
Yes, that was good. I think I will investigate the book sometime soon, then decide whether to give the film a go. However, it does involve Dylan Moran, therefore it can't be all bad.
― ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)
― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)
― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)
Oh dear, now I'll be tempted to write that in every copy of the book I can find.It'd be pretty wonderful.
The big question is of course whether or not the initial inscriber intended it as a slight. Shandyites should take on the name of Ego Head Wankers.
― a nicens little boy named baby tuckoo (Øystein), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)
― Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 23 January 2006 10:53 (nineteen years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)
I cannot remember the Colombo bit.
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)
Sad not to see more Gillian Anderson really.
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:17 (nineteen years ago)
― N_RQ, Monday, 23 January 2006 11:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:28 (nineteen years ago)
i haven't read 'TS'. it was on my first-term reading list at university. i bought it. my dad's reading it.
― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:34 (nineteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:40 (nineteen years ago)
― 'Curt' Russell (noodle vague), Monday, 23 January 2006 11:42 (nineteen years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 23 January 2006 12:07 (nineteen years ago)
Apart from that, there was so much to enjoy. Rob Brydon's performance was hilarious.
One of my favourite scenes, I think, was the nappy changing scene that they all hear on the baby walkie-talkie thing.
Tony Wilson, for goodness sake!
― Japanese Giraffe (Japanese Giraffe), Monday, 23 January 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 23 January 2006 17:06 (nineteen years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 23 January 2006 17:13 (nineteen years ago)
― RJG (RJG), Monday, 23 January 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)
i couldnt help think "ok this is Brit-Adaptation" and in the light of that, it wasnt really as entertaining as adaptation. it also wasnt funny, which surprised me. i htink they stuffed it full of little visual gags and stuff but they arent actually funny. i think if it had either been funny or entertaining, it woulkd have been better. i think adaptation was both.
but i liked watching it! i enjoyed it, it was quite a strange experience. like pete, the only character i didn't get was the jennie the runner. i didnt understand what she was meant to be in it for, and couldnt work out whether her slightly wooden acting was part of the joke or not, or maybe it was the script rather than the acting.
i was surprised by coogans willingness to put jokes* in about courtney love, or whoever
*i gues in this films you can refer to them as jokes, but they are more like references to things rather than jokes about them
― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 7 February 2006 10:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)
As for the film - any film in which Rob brydon is not v. irritating has to be a good thing. Is there a thread about 9 Songs? I cannot find it.
― Ned T.Rifle (nedtrifle), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)
BF: I thought it was good!GF: Yeah... but it made Steve Coogan look like a complete dick.
― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 9 February 2006 01:04 (nineteen years ago)
Rudest British Film Ever Features Bands Playing:
The Rudest British Film Ever Features Bands Playing
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 February 2006 08:37 (nineteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 February 2006 09:17 (nineteen years ago)
― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 9 February 2006 11:23 (nineteen years ago)
Brydon's 'young Pacino' at the end is excellent. The incessant use of 8-1/2 music, not so hot. (and the same Handel piece as Barry Lyndon -- or was it Bach?)
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 February 2006 14:51 (nineteen years ago)
― tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)
― chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Friday, 10 February 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/4708148.stm
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Monday, 13 February 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)
― M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:14 (nineteen years ago)
Still, the Gillian Anderson phone sequence was great.
― kingfish da notorious teletabby (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)
― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)
― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)
― Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:24 (nineteen years ago)
― Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Rotatey Diskers With Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 3 March 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)
― Adam Rice Lacucaracha (nordicskilla), Sunday, 5 March 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.channel4.com/film/newsfeatures/microsites/G/guantanamo/download.html
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)
― Adamrl (nordicskilla), Thursday, 9 March 2006 16:48 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)
― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:07 (nineteen years ago)
― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:14 (nineteen years ago)
― Sploshette Moxy (Dada), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Friday, 28 July 2006 12:22 (nineteen years ago)
― sean gramophone (Sean M), Monday, 25 September 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)
much better than i expected. a british 'irma vep' ya heard.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 19 August 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)
i really enjoyed it. i should probably get the DVD, if only for the wilson bit :(
― grimly fiendish, Sunday, 19 August 2007 21:46 (eighteen years ago)
yeah shit, i was gonna say, i had no idea he was in it, and there he was. quite a jolt.
― That one guy that hit it and quit it, Sunday, 19 August 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)
i wonder if the dvd follows through on the gag about the full interview being on the dvd.
exactly. and the very notion of any making-of commentary throws open so many opportunities for fun playtime japery with this film that ... well, i'm probably best not getting it, actually, because i fear they won't have done the possibilities justice at all.
― grimly fiendish, Sunday, 19 August 2007 21:58 (eighteen years ago)
Well, that was the second time I've seen it, the first being over a year ago, and it's definitely held up. I actually think this film was frickin' MADE for me; not only have I read (and studied in depth) the book, but I'm a massive fan of well-directed self-awareness. The two merge beautifully here, and in actual fact you can tell that the film's creators are genuinely passionate about the book's infectious divergence. Being as it was an attempt to delay one's own death by recounting every single detail of one's life in an approach towards the infinite, the book was an uproarious, ludicrous, brilliant failure. The film's dodging of its own self-fulfilment, its Sternean absurdity, its constant retracing of steps is what makes it one of the most faithful and least damaging adaptations I've ever seen. Missed out on a load of the book's best moments, though. The insult (towards whomever tied 'the knot'), for a start, goes on for THREE PAGES and is the single greatest monument to irritation ever constructed in the name of literature.
― Just got offed, Sunday, 19 August 2007 22:45 (eighteen years ago)
this movie was good and enjoyable, christ you people complain a lot
― akm, Thursday, 25 December 2008 07:31 (seventeen years ago)