alice in wonderland movies: S and D

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060089/

oh. says here a guy who did music videos is gunna do it. great. maybe Christian Slater and Tara Reid can co-star, too?

http://buzznewsroom.com/photos/first-look-at-tim-burtons-alice-in-wonderland/

McGee still gigantic flaccid tool.

i ended up buying the one i mentioned upthread on dvd! :) :) :)

v intrigued to see burton version!

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god plz someone kill Tim Burton and stop this endless train of shitty remakes GET ONE IDEA TIM

normally i'd agree but this i see working

at this point he doesn't even really make movies, he just TIM BURTONIZES existing material. Someone should make a Tim Burton versino of cornifying that just takes existing movies and adds a few gothic twirls and voila

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The sets look v. pretty, the CGI cat not so much.

It's not exactly a remake if you shoot a book that other people have fucked up before you.

seriously I used to really like his stuff (circa Pee-Wee/Edward Scissorhands/Ed Wood) but nowadays...? WS

You Would Smash Tim Burton?

stab also

what happened? i am confused.

Burton did hit a triple w/ Sweeney Todd after a bad slump.

WC Fields owns this character:

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Fields at lower left

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Surely even Burton won't get close to the Svankmajer version:

Shakey otm here

i second it. growing up with Beetlejuice and Edward Scissorhands, etc. all his movies had a dark, sad edge to them that felt kind of like how you feel at the end of a good old monster movie where the monster is dead and you're sad cos he was just misunderstood. none of his movies post the early 90s left that feeling in me, even though they hit all the same stylistic markers, color palette, and musical cues. Tim Burton has turned into a Hollywood hack. he shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Svankmajer

To be fair Svankmajer's Batman movie was fucking shit.

if u had told me ten years ago that Tim Burton, Alan Rickman, Crispin Glover, and Johnny Depp were making an "Alice" in wonderland I would be ecstatic. now it just seems like a horrible accident in the future you are powerless to stop.

also annoying me are the fanboys saying "the original book was dark/nightmarish"

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One of several oddball pornographic musicals from the 1970s. Rather charming if you can conceive that in trenchcoat fare.

Trailer for Burton version is out: http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/14219277/alice-in-wonderland/videos/sdcc09_alice_wondr_tease1_1_072209.html

Can't even muster up a decent "do not want." You're either on board with it or not.

lots of those feelings here: Alice In Wonderland

xp I've seen the porn one from the 70s ... it's pretty funny, actually.

http://www.fuckofffilm.com/storage/aliceinwonderland-8.jpg

That doesn't appear to have worked, so let's try this:
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Is Matt Lucas playing both Tweedledee and Tweedledum?

I have some hope for this, given that his Sweeney Todd was my favorite thing Burton's done in years.

is the girl playing Alice that hot chick from Disturbia? if so, I'm there just for that....

God this looks so fucking awful.

Judging a movie based on 2 minute trailer shockah

I think pessimists are taking into account his last decade of work as well.

sweeney todd was good yo. plus charlie and chocolate factory.

C&C Factory was godawful. actually everything's he's done basically since Sleepy Hollow is atrocious

is the girl playing Alice that hot chick from Disturbia? if so, I'm there just for that...

no, but the girl playing Alice was really good in the first season of In Treatment.

C&C wasn't godawful. hell it was closer to the book than the original musical (which I also like).

and Sweeney Todd wasn't atrocious and it came after Sleepy Hollow. granted the stage musical like is way better but he did a nice adaptation.

Yeah, but it's the only movie where you come out of the cinema humming the songs from the original version. (xpost)

the second one wasn't technically a musical, it just featured the Oompa Loompa songs because they're in the book. the point of the Oompa Loompa songs weren't to be able to hum them....it was the LEERICAL CONTENT. which the original one changed significantly to make more 'tuneful' (and as such, less interesting lyrically).

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ah great retort.

The one thing I would say is that RDahl disliked the first film because they changed the title to focus on WWonka, but the later film restored the book title but focussed way more on WWonka!

and as such, less interesting lyrically).

can't believe anyone would prefer the crude genre mashup music of the Burton version to the original songs/lyrics, esp the Oompa Loompa material. takes all kinds I guess. Also, Burton took way WAAAAAY more liberties with the story than the original did. Dahl didn't write any stupid sub-Freudian backstory for Willy Wonka.

The measure of a film's success has got nothing to do with how faithful it is to its source text.

also true

C&C wasn't godawful. hell it was closer to the book than the original musical (which I also like).

^^^ totally okay with calling this the worst film i've ever seen. have mainly repressed but:
- ironic hip hop oompa loompa makeover is some cringeworthy snappy-talking disney 90s sidekick shit, entirely dependent on having seen the original and appreciating this wacky variation
- johnny depp plays a wide eyed eccentric in ________ syndrome
- ugly bland cgi shit versus for-real lookin' lake of chocolate
- iirc insanely long shitty cgi title sequence and boring generic orchestral score all over the film

y'all are homos

ah great retort

The Oompa-Loompa songs in the remake are amazing, not "ironic hip-hop" at all. Veruca Salt one is a sparkly Byrds homage with 12 string guitars and everything, the Mike TV one is revved up guitar pop etc. And the lyrics are all taken from the original book.

The movie was far from perfect but the songs were the best thing about it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I can't remember a single song from the Tim Burton one. Could not hum three consecutive notes if I tried. OTOH if someone sings "oompa loompa doompity doo," that shit is gonna be in my head for days. Sometimes even just seeing the words "oompa loompa" starts up the mental "I've got a perfect puzzle for you" jukebox. Which of these traits is worse, complete forgetability or Demolished Man-level headworm action, is for you to decide.

Plus "a world of imagination", "the candy man can" and the "I want it all" one off the Charlotte Church advert...

Yeah I could basically sing any song from that movie at the drop of a hat (except maybe the languid "Cheer Up, Charlie").

Who sings that, the grandad?

the mum, as she does the laundry

I kind of had a crush on Gene Wilder as a little kid bcz of WW&tCF, so it was an odd experience later seeing my second Gene Wilder movie, "Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Sex..."

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Alice Through the Looking Glass (2016) was on BBC1 today - I had no idea they made a sequel to the Tim Burton movie, it totally passed me by. I only watched the first 20 minutes but it looked dire, don't know if it picked up later. I love the 60s Jonathan Miller version.

my long-ago piece for sight and sound on alice movies

some others that i missed were screened at the recent V&A alice show tho they were mostly more annoying than good

the only good thing thing abt either of the tim burtons was being sat three rows behind will self who was there with his young son: the son (in animal facepaint) seemed to be enjoying it but self himself was very clearly HATING it lol