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What is an Oink invite?

Do I really want to know?

― donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

http://oink.me.uk/pic/logo-new.gif

― don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Why is Music Has a Right to Children considered a classic omg forever and ever times a billion? I mean, I like it, it's nice and all, but I don't see why it's put on such a pedestal.

― pr00de, where's my car? (pr00de), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

dark side of the moon first weed syndrome

― don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

what is "deepness"?

― don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

What does FAP stand for (I'm sure this is answered in the FAQ, but I'm too lazy to look, hence the embarassment about asking)?

― Who Are You, Buster Gonad? (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

What exactly is Deep House?

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

What does T/S stand for?

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Why don't people like Billy Joel's "Glass Houses" album (this is kind of a dumb question as it got 4.5 stars on AMG but you know)?

― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

FAP = Fancy A Pint (although I always think of it as For A Pint)

I want to know about T/S, too.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

taking sides

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

T/S is taking sides - as in "Pick one or the other: Billy Joel or Elton John" or whatever.
(x-post)
And thanks for the FAP knowledge!

― Who Are You, Buster Gonad? (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Oink seems to have something to do with this: http://oink.me.uk/, so maybe you want an invite.

― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Perfect, thanks for the T/S explaation, it seems obvious now, I guess it's the / that kept throwing me off.

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

I thought it mean "Tough Shit"

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

I think that's TS, without the slash.

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

What is that John Lennon or Beatles song where they sing something like "Abbah Merkabah"?

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

True/SALSA!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Number 9 Dream by Lennon.

― darren (darren), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

What exactly is Deep House?

Deep House is basically soulful house music. The "deep" part of the equation comes from the use of jazz chord structures and instrumentation (either sampled or original), and the fact the lyrical content tends to be somewhat soul-searching. The music, while very danceable, has a meditative, sometimes melancholy feel to it. Some key artists are Larry Heard, Roy Davis Jr, Ten City, and (arguably) Masters At Work.

If that sounds like something you'd be into, you can download various DJ sets here:

http://www.deephousepage.com/mixes.php

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Tantrum, do you think you could explain to me the difference between Deep House and Chicago House then, because that's what I was going to ask originally. The really long tracks that drop the bass line leaving the job to mostly a really flat kick, and that eventually break out into extended bongo solos before the bass comes back in, is that Chicago or Deep House, or could it be either? I'm often confounded at how much of this kind of stuff there is, and I know absolutely nothing about. Where do I start? I've checked the page you recommended before, btw, but it's a bit overhelming and frustrating since there's never any tracklistings.

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

I guess I should have posted that to a Deep House thread on ILM, but I read them all and none of them helped much, plus I'm just too embarassed...

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Why is your taste better than mine?

― pappawheelie II, Friday, 9 September 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

The really long tracks that drop the bass line leaving the job to mostly a really flat kick, and that eventually break out into extended bongo solos before the bass comes back in, is that Chicago or Deep House, or could it be either?

Well, this is where it gets tricky, because I've heard people use Chicago House and Deep House interchangeably (at least here in Toronto), *but* there is a style of Chicago House that first emerged in the mid-90s that was very stripped down and raw - basically, anything on the Dance Mania labl would qualify, as could the kind of tracks you're describing. I've been listening to this kind of music for 15 years, and I still get confused sometimes, so don't feel too bad.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, it's my turn for an embarrassing question: am I the only one who hasn't caught the Kompakt bug?

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

It's the Chicago Transit Authority. Oh, wait.

― pappawheelie II, Friday, 9 September 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Tantrum, you're brilliant, I'll check out Dance Mania then.

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

I'd say that there's a lot of Chicago house that could be considered deep house and deep house has always been relatively popular here, but the two are not perfectly interchangeable.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

I'd say that there's a lot of Chicago house that could be considered deep house and deep house has always been relatively popular here, but the two are not perfectly interchangeable.

No, I wasn't suggesting that, but the two overlap a *lot*, in the same way that certain strains of UKG overlap with the breakbeat scene.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Who is JANDEK?

― nklshs @ other desk omg, Friday, 9 September 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Am I the only person who never ventures outside of ILE and ILM? I clicked on a thread earlier("Can we talk about this thread that was censored and moved to the Aja/Dante board? (2 new answers)") that had the naked picture of that girl, which then had a link to some other strange corner of ilx with a pink background and dancing penguins and shit.
I felt like Alice in Wonderland. Do the rest of you go over to those weird nooks and crannies?

― Who Are You, Buster Gonad? (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

This is what my dock looks like...

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

what happened to all that love for the scissor sisters?

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Buster, I recommend:
ILE
ILM
Baseball (if you're interested in baseball at all)
Comics (even if you're not that interested in comics)
ModReq (for entertainment value)
NOISE/Pickle

ILBooks is good in theory but tends to be pretty drab in practice.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I should have Comics on there instead of Film. Film is a wasteland. Books can be good sometimes. Nabisco had a great post about George Saunders yesterday.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Did anyone miss me these last few days?

― j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

what happened to all that love for the scissor sisters?

it's not love, unless you think love only lasts six weeks.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

the noise board is confusing.

― carly (carly), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

No, I wasn't suggesting that

I thought I was backing you up by saying they weren't interchangeable. This may be my own perception, but Chicago house often has a rougher edge than other deep house stuff, and there's a greater focus on the drums.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

names, examples!!!

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

xpost: Good call, oops.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

Deep House is also used to describe the pre-Chicago House disco records played by Chicago House-heads.

― Old School (sexyDancer), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Jandek is Sterling Smith of Houston, Texas.

― Old School (sexyDancer), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

Why have I been locked out of posting to this thread by an administrator?

― pappawheelie II, Friday, 9 September 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

What is Crunk? What is Grime? And what is the point of all those lists?

― moley, Friday, 9 September 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

I remember being in a club in Atlanta once, where they played an alomst exact rendition of Luomo's Tessio, same exact bass line, same beat, except the vocals and hooks were placed differently. I keep kicking myself for not asking who that track was by, but I keep wondering if it came before or after Tessio (I'm inclined to think the former), and if any of you could tell me what it is?

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Crunk is the Atlanta version of hip hop
Grime is the British version of hip hop

― Old School (sexyDancer), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Why do people think they're being all clever with the various "kthanxbye" diss?

It's Alicia Silverstone wit....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

I hadn't heard of either JANDEK or MERZBOW before I read ILM, and people were routinely making throwaway jokes about them. I got them confused for a while.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

They both played NYC last Tuesday night!

― Old School (sexyDancer), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 57 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Also the people who make a great display of their quality interaction with their children. Do they want a fucking medal???
YES.
Everyone wants a medal!

Can I just take a moment and say that this is really the greatest thing ever written and says more to me about the human condition than reams and reams of philosophy texts? (Well, not reams and reams but WOW is that ever true.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

NOTE TO EVERYONE: Because the board automatically interprets anything that begins with a less-than sign as an HTML element, you have to use HTML literals to represent the less-than sign or fake HTML elements:

< = <
%amp;gt; = >

That is all.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

Just the one ream.

I have no idea about the whole Marissa Marchant thread but there is a head-scratching post on the ModReq board about it.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

(Um, That should read >. Oops.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

Bwah hah hah hah hah!!!

There is nothing funnier in the world than someone who makes an error while being pedantic.

― Smug and Pious (kate), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

When did "pedantic" become a synonym for "helpful"?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

what is a "house anthem"

― don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

it's a tune guaranteed to get the bar regulars jumping. most bars have a sign listing their house anthems to prevent arguments and inappropriate jukebox selections.

― W i l l (common_person), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

Beth, I do that, too, and I'm 33. (million x-post)

― luna (luna.c), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

why do people like buckaroo banzai?

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

Okay, so I like dance music (housey stuff, kompakt, lotsa the germans) but the other day I went to see Richie Hawtin and hated it. Granted, it could have been my frame of mind/vibe/whatever random thing, but it felt too fast and too 'up', if that makes sense. Now, are his DJ sets called 'techno'? Because I like techno, or at least think i do, but this wasn't the thing for me. Does his stuff come from more of a rave grounding that makes it faster and more full-on, with so few breakdowns? Is there any differentiation in descriptors between this and what I like? Did I just need some drugs?

― jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

why do people like buckaroo banzai?

BECAUSE IT FUCKIN' RULES.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

Jergins, you're not alone. I just can't get into the guy live myself. (that said, I'm soooper excited about dB festival)

― donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

Ok, what is up with ILM's weird hang-ups with "indie"? A veteran ilmor used the phrase "death of indie" to me. What does that mean? Doesn't indie die and become reborn over and over again? Isn't it something that's existed for decades under a variety of names? Doesn't it also encompass a fairly wide and constantly changing range of styles? And why is the idea of having a philosophy behind the way something is made, marketed and distributed pretty much disqualified (de facto, by ridicule) from any serious discussion on the board?

I imagine there are old threads you all could point me to that would help here.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

Basically a bunch of people are slightly embarrassed over letting alternate means of distribution dictate their tastes. This has led to some odd reactions in turn.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

not for the faint hearted

Indie Guilt: C/D

― jimmy glass (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

BECAUSE IT FUCKIN' RULES.

I HATE YOU MILKMAN RAGGETT

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

HA HA I WIN

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

xposts, Thanks. I think I sort of get it now. Or at least I'm reminded of what I already more or less got before but forgot I got, I guess.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

i like indie rock (shh don't tell)

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

Me too, and have posted some thoughts on the above-cited thread.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

, nor tried to drive one.

me neither. for nine more years than you ;)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

what exactly are breakdowns and breakbeats? (and can we ~~eat~~break them?

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

Luna, I think you're cool (million xpost), and Dan, I give you a medal!!! (gazillion xpost)

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

Are the Kings of Leon really as bad as the Keepers of Southern Rock proclaim?

― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

breakdowns = either the bit in a song where the beat is cut and a vocal harmony comes in (or some other tangent) e.g. the bit in En Vogue's 'Never Gonna Get' after the 'now it's time for a breakdown' announcement

or, from what i can gather, an extended snare roll or filtered sequence spanning 8 or many more bars in a Dance track e.g. all of them ever - though this is really a 'build-up'

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

break = The part of the song that people dance the hardest and do all their fancy moves, i.e. in James Brown songs when he yells something and just the drums or just the rhythm section does an extra funky little thing for a bunch of bars.

Hence breakbeat.

As for breakDOWN, seems like a looser term, but what Sociah said sounds sort of right. It's just a part that's not really a bridge or a verse or a chorus but where something in the whole band dynamic changes and gets meaner or funkier or something like that. Sometimes the breakdown is a break in the above sense.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

what are breakz?

― Baaderonixx and the choco-pop babies (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Who are Brakes?

― Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

(And why do they insist on breaking my bandmate's legs?!?)

― Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

what the hell was i doing when i bought Pocket Full Of Kryptonite? i mean, shit, back then i had to go without lunch for a couple of weeks to scrape together the price of a tape. how could i have been so careless after all that sacrifice?

― Lee F# (fsharp), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

I bought that tape.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Breakbeats = something that sounds a bit more funky and irregular than a metronomic 4/4 beat.

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Teh, you are wrong.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

The Spin Doctors album was sent to me by BMG or Columbia (I forget which) when I forgot to return one of their cards.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Which gives me an idea for a thread...

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Teh, actually I guess you are defining the genre(s) known as breakbeat rather than what a "break" actually is, so what you said makes sense enough.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

xpost I actually really liked Jimmy Olsen's Blues when I first heard it. But even in my early teenaged years I quickly soured on them as I realized all of their songs have that exact same annoying white-boy-funk beat.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

does NRQ know absolutely zero about music, or less than zero?

― puz elled, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

I realized all of their songs have that exact same annoying white-boy-funk beat

that's what i've been saying about Jamiroquai for all these years, and yet i'd never have thought to put the two bands together before. uncanny.

― Lee F# (fsharp), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

I know its considered bad form to compare a record to other records or bands in a record review but if musical taste is subjective then arent comparisons to other music really the only helpful part of a review? If my personal musical taste shifts daily depending on what I hear and see, my general mood, my environment and thoughts, is it even possible the person writing the review will have the same taste as me? I guess what I'm asking is arent record reviews pointless? Or are they something to read after you hear the record so you can mock or praise the 'writer', in which case, aren't record reviews pointless?

― sunny successor (he hates my guts, we had a fight) (katharine), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

I guess what I'm asking is arent record reviews pointless? Or are they something to read after you hear the record so you can mock or praise the 'writer', in which case, aren't record reviews pointless?

Maybe. Lately I have been thinking that criticism is kind of fading away, for a number of reasons..

― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Criticism in general? That's a bold thing to say. What do you mean, Daria?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

puz elled: he knows what he likes.

sunny: I tend to read record reviews after I've heard the record, so see if other people have heard something in it which might make me enjoy it more or get more out of it. I don't find them useful otherwise.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

I'm not completely sure what I mean, but critics as gatekeepers, I don't know if people need that function as they used to, the internet makes art/music/literature/etc so much more accessible.. and I'm just personally exhausted by it, I spent so many years learning to take things apart with a critical toolbox that I forgot how to pay attention.

― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

b-b-but record reviews tell me how to (dis)like something when i can't/won't/don't want to figure it out for myself! (this is a good thing)

― W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

sometimes for one or more of many various reasons i want to let someone do the heavy lifting

― W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

What is a "jam band"?

― ewmy, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

It's a special truss for people whose jam consumption causes uncomfortable abdominal swelling.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Kate: Oink is an invite-only torrent site. The link was fine. I wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

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