Iraqi politicians have failed to conclude negotiations on a draft constitution and it remains unclear when a final text may be printed, less than five weeks before a referendum, Iraqi and U.N. officials said on Sunday.
"We don't know when they'll finish," Nicholas Haysom, the United Nations official charged with the printing, told Reuters, confirming that negotiations were continuing.
"We'd like it as soon as possible."
Meanwhile, success is not all that, as ye olde Sullivan highlighted:
But as with previous battles, like those in Falluja and Qaim, a western city near Syria, a large number of insurgents also escaped the fight. That makes the battle, at least in some measure, the latest example of one of the most nettlesome problems faced in the war, what one marine in Anbar Province recently described as "punching a balloon": American forces attack with overwhelming firepower only to have some insurgents leave and then return, or move on to fight elsewhere.
One year ago, Tal Afar was the scene of a major offensive to oust entrenched insurgents. After the battle, American commanders said the city was safe. But the military, stretched thin by demand for troops elsewhere, left fewer than 500 soldiers in Tal Afar and a surrounding area twice the size of Connecticut. Predictably, American officers said, the insurgents returned in force and were largely undisturbed until May, when Colonel McMaster's unit, the Third Armored Cavalry Regiment, was reassigned from south of Baghdad to take back the region from insurgents.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago)
Scores killed in Baghdad attacks
Funny thing was yesterday various NRO/Instapundit types were all "Ah, see, Talabani is so smooth on TV, we have nothing to worry about!"
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago)
― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago)
If you're into some more detailed military policy discussion, he links to this excellent piece which discusses the US military's preparations for and handling of insurgency warfare in general. The picture painted is not pretty.
Meanwhile, more massive attacks in Baghdad with many dead.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 15 September 2005 18:35 (nineteen years ago)
(* interchangeable with "kids", apparently)
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago)
covers the panopoly: Cindy Sheehan, the war, Jeremy Glick(the guy Bill threw off the show 3 years ago), Bill's nephew enlisting, Bill never claiming he never called Cindy un-American...
Bill O'Reilly: "The Iraq War is not something I embrace. Could be a tactical error. We have not waged it the way I would have..."
8 minutes of fun.
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 22 September 2005 05:12 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 24 September 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago)
http://www.christiansciencemonitor.com/2005/0923/dailyUpdate.html
― Earl Nash (earlnash), Saturday, 24 September 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago)
For example, while I’m still hopeful about the end result, the need to devour each day’s newspaper accounts from Iraq has become a grinding, depressing, affair and promises to be for quite a while.
My sympathy level re: his complaint is admittedly low.
Meanwhile, Time has a pretty depressing piece up as part of its current cover story about Iraq regarding more torture allegations elsewhere in Iraq (more info is here, a separate NY Times piece draws on that as well) that both Sullivan and Balloon Juice are understandably revolted by (context as well -- BJ's John Cole is a military vet).
Sullivan's best point, for the moment at least, might actually be this:
...check out the most trafficked sites of the conservative blogosphere, Instapundit, Powerline, National Review, Michelle Malkin, Little Green Footballs, Hugh Hewitt, and Red State. Yes, there's other news. But the universal silence is telling, I think. Defending this adminsitration's record on the treatment of detainees is simply impossible any more.
Smacks of the usual overstatement from the AS direction, but I think he's onto something -- in the past, this news would have been greeted from those corners with complaints, evasions, denials. But as AS says in the first link:
This is not enemy propaganda. This is the testimony of decent American soldiers so appalled by what they were witnessing that they felt compelled, after being ignored by their superiors and the administration, to go directly to senators to get their complaints aired.
Meanwhile, the increasingly more essential regular column from Lind at SFTT has some blunt talk worth noting.
But take heart! 'Only' 30 US soldiers were killed this month so far, so clearly all is well. (If you think I'm being needlessly flippant, keep in mind that's the argument being advanced seriously at the start of this piece here.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 24 September 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 25 September 2005 01:42 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 25 September 2005 02:17 (nineteen years ago)
― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Sunday, 25 September 2005 06:39 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 25 September 2005 06:44 (nineteen years ago)
― JKex (JKex), Sunday, 25 September 2005 09:25 (nineteen years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 25 September 2005 12:13 (nineteen years ago)
― JKex (JKex), Sunday, 25 September 2005 12:51 (nineteen years ago)
Scrap Basra police and start again orders MoD
BRIAN BRADY WESTMINSTER EDITOR
DEFENCE Secretary John Reid is planning to scrap the 25,000-strong police force in southern Iraq and replace it with a new military-style unit capable of maintaining law and order.
Reid ordered a root-and-branch review of security in the troubled province following last week's disastrous clashes between British troops and Iraqi police.
The violence has also led to the scrapping of a detailed plan that could have seen UK forces withdrawn by May next year. Instead, it now seems certain Prime Minister Tony Blair will have to keep British troops in the country until 2007 at the earliest.
The sudden U-turn on Britain's military commitment to Iraq has caused anger and despair in military circles. One former defence chief told Scotland on Sunday the Iraq expedition had been a "colossal political failure".
In comments that will pile pressure on Blair over his handling of the conflict, General Anthony Walker, a former Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff, told Scotland on Sunday: "The soldiers should have said to the politicians 'f*** this, we are not going into this conflict until you tell us how you are going to deal with this country once we have won you the war'.
"But they didn't, and it now looks as though we will be there a lot longer than we planned."
The dramatic events in Basra last week, when British troops attempted to rescue two SAS men from an Iraqi jail and were confronted by angry local police and protesters, have forced an urgent rethink.
There was a further setback yesterday in attempts to restore normal relations between the British military and Basra city officials when it emerged an Iraqi judge had ordered the arrest of the two special forces soldiers who sparked the incident. The original withdrawal plans foresaw a reduction in the British military presence in two of the four UK-controlled provinces in southern Iraq - Maysan and al-Muthanna - by the end of this year. The handover would have been completed next spring with the withdrawal from Basra and Dhi Qar and the departure of the last of Britain's 8,000-plus troops.
But the general decline in security, and the disclosure that many members of the Basra police force owe allegiances to rival militia leaders, has sent UK planning back to the drawing board.
MoD officials fear the only lasting solution to the infiltration may be the creation of a new military police force, uncontaminated by external influences. Creating the new force - which would wear combat uniforms and be trained in military tactics - could take over a year.
British officials are insistent that from now on members of the existing police force who are retained - as well as members of any other Iraqi force - are rigorously checked for any allegiances to tribal, family or religious elements that could compromise their loyalty to the new Iraq.
Ministers are also believed to have ordered a boost to the military intelligence operation on the ground in Iraq to ensure that they are not caught by surprise by further violence.
"The British could not reasonably have been expected to have prevented external elements patronising parts of the police force," said Jonathan Lindley, a Middle East expert at the international affairs think-tank, the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI). "But they could have done more to prevent specific external elements and individuals from gaining influence within the new police service. To have done so would not have been difficult."
The violence in Basra has scuppered a detailed plan that was aimed at getting all British troops out in as little as eight months. Reports from Japan yesterday claimed the British and Australians had recently indicated they intended to move out their military presence in Iraq - which numbers almost 10,000 troops - by next May.
Experts in the UK last night confirmed that any plans for a 'draw-down' of British forces had been pushed on to the back-burner. One military insider told Scotland on Sunday: "Senior army people I know were out in Iraq recently making arrangements for an early withdrawal, starting with two of the four provinces by the end of this year. It is a fact that the MoD were in the advanced stages of preparing for that, but there is now no way they can do it."
A 10-strong team of military officers and officials from the MoD had been in the British zone since early spring, liaising with British military commanders on the ground and local Iraqis, with a view to preparing the ground for withdrawal.
The Prime Minister is expected to face pressure over Iraq at the Labour conference in Brighton this week, although party managers expect to keep dissent on the margins of the conference arena.
Blair's spokesman said: "He will address Iraq in his speech.
What we aren't going to do is put a timetable on an exit strategy, but [talk about] a process of democratisation and the development of a security capability under which we can begin a draw-down. We don't want to be there any longer than we want to be there or the Iraqis themselves want us."
US President George Bush warned last week that an early withdrawal would "repeat the costly mistakes of the past that led to the attacks of September 11, 2001".
A poll last night suggested most people want British troops to pull out of Iraq. Some 57% said British forces should pull out, 27% said they should not, and 16% questioned in the Five News poll did not know. YouGov asked 1,928 people between September 21 and 22 for the poll.
This article:
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1990832005
Iraq:
http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=404
Websites:
UN Assistance Mission in Iraq http://www.uniraq.org/
Baghdad Burning (Weblog) http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
Al Jazeera (English) http://english.aljazeera.net/
Humanitarian Centre for Iraq http://www.hiciraq.org/
Iraq Today http://www.iraq-today.com/
US Dept of Commerce: "Doing Business in Iraq" http://www.export.gov/iraq/
Christian Aid report - The missing billions http://www.christianaid.org.uk/indepth/310iraqoil/index.htm
Electronic Iraq http://electroniciraq.net/news/
Iraq Daily (World News Network) http://www.iraqdaily.com/
Red Cross / Red Crescent http://www.ifrc.org/
US Embassy in Baghdad http://iraq.usembassy.gov/
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago)
Is the supposedly sovereign government of Iraq involved at all so far in this decision to disband the police force in Southern Iraq? (I don't know: for all I know, they may be in favor of it.) Is there any way that this won't lead to a continuing rise in attacks on British troops?
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 25 September 2005 14:23 (nineteen years ago)
― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 25 September 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago)
well, we have policy/military decisions apparently made only considering how our enemies will view them, and that anything will be done to avoid the appearance of looking "weak"(except for the whole administration meltdown over the aftermath of a disaster thing).
also, that's kinda the undercurrent of the "stay the course" reasoning. If you're a bully, any readjustment would obviously mean that you're a discredited coward and a failure, so you just gotta keep gunning that engine even after you rammed headfirst into the pylon...
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 25 September 2005 18:05 (nineteen years ago)
― JKex (JKex), Sunday, 25 September 2005 21:14 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 25 September 2005 22:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Wiggy (Wiggy), Sunday, 25 September 2005 23:04 (nineteen years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:32 (nineteen years ago)
WASHINGTON — The Iraqi military has only one battalion — about 500-600 soldiers — capable of fighting on its own, U.S. commanders told lawmakers Thursday. U.S. Army General George Casey discusses operations and strategy before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Thursday. By Luke Frazza, AFP/Getty Images
Many Iraqi police are not being paid, and insurgents are infiltrating Iraqi police and military forces, the commanders acknowledged. Even so, Gen. George Casey, the top U.S. general in Iraq, said U.S. troops could start leaving next year if Iraqi voters back a proposed constitution and form a government.
"I do believe that the possibility for condition-based reductions of coalition forces still exists in 2006," Casey told the Senate Armed Services Committee.
But U.S. troop withdrawals depend on the ability of Iraqi forces to quell a stubborn insurgency. The changing estimates of the strength of Iraqi forces led Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to ask whether talk of withdrawing troops was premature.
Americans are understandably concerned, he said, as they see "Marines killed, soldiers killed, people killed — a couple hundred in one day. And yet we are now planning on troop withdrawals."
In his final appearance as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, retiring Gen. Richard Myers told McCain that he never said "things are going very well in Iraq" and that the United States is not developing a "cut-and-run strategy."
"This is a win strategy," Myers said, adding that Iraqis were making progress toward forming a government. "In a sense, things are going well."
The commanders didn't say how many qualified Iraqi troops would be necessary to allow U.S. withdrawals.
In June, the Pentagon said three of 100 Iraqi battalions were capable of acting on their own, Casey acknowledged. Thursday morning, that estimate changed to one.
After a recess, Casey said the new assessment of Iraqi readiness stemmed from a new, more demanding standard U.S. commanders use to judge Iraqi forces.
The Pentagon leaders also met skepticism during an afternoon hearing of the House Armed Services Committee. Rep. Ike Skelton of Missouri, the panel's top Democrat, said the administration needs to outline a clear strategy and "commit the resources necessary" to win.
At both hearings, lawmakers aggressively questioned the military leaders who said the war is going well. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said he will adopt a "trust but verify" policy regarding the Pentagon's claims.
Several months ago, Graham said, Casey had told him the Iraqi insurgents were "one-tenth of 1%" of the population. Now, however, "I don't have any confidence in that number," Graham said.
Casey and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged that insurgents had infiltrated Iraqi security forces.
Both sought to play down the significance.
"We certainly do expect that there is some infiltration of the police and ... the military forces," Casey said. "But we don't see it in the way that would render these forces incapable."
― Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Friday, 30 September 2005 10:41 (nineteen years ago)