Drifting accents

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Inspired by this thread,

mick jagger's shapeshifting accents - C or D?

I'm curious to know who else thinks their vocal accent has changed over time, whether due to geography, education, or association. I know I've lost a little midwestern twang over the years, and in the time I lived in North Carolina I picked up more than a little Piedmont roundness to the vowels. Any other vocal Zeligs out there?

brianiac (briania), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha ha hahahahahahahahhaaaaaa!!!

Oh dear.

I am rather the Queen of this. It's not my fault. I've moved too much.

Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

I made a concisous decision to lose my eastern NC accent when I was 17. Never looked back. I have no accent now.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:11 (twenty years ago)

No one has "no" accent. Except for a few academics from Edinburgh.

Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

I tried to make myself Welsh when I was younger.

suckling pig at a rave (alix), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:13 (twenty years ago)

That's funny, Jeff, I almost consciously wanted to pick up that NC-VA accent, because it sounded like such a beautiful way of speaking.

Living in New York, on the other hand, didn't have as much effect, I suppose because the accent didn't seem as musical to me.

brianiac (briania), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

my accent has changed dramatically over the years - living in the suburbs of glasgow from age 3 - 14 left me with a scottish accent that was 'posher' than those of my school friends as my accent was influenced by my english parents. Then we moved to Lancashire from 14 - 18, and I lost lots of the scottish to avoid teasing. Then I went back to uni at glasgow, and possibly got a bit of the scottish back. I moved to London in 1997 and now have a very bizarre accent that some people think is from around bristol, others northern ireland. For those that know the history of my accent, they can hear certain words that are still 100% posh glasgow.

I kind of wish that my accent wasn't so mixed up, but I like it better than having a lancashire accent like my cousins (sorry if that offends anyone)

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

Ha. I was superposh til I went to uni, then get really embarrassed and chippy about it (and saw my best mate get the chit beaten out of him for being southern scum) so developed some weird mix of all the accents of the people i lived with: newcastle, suffolk, cornwall, derby, and leicester! now i've got the posh back, by and large, and i'm pretty happy with it - although i do seem to develop some alarming mockneyisms when pissed...or alternatively, turn into an incomprehensibly plummy rowley birkin type. eep.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

I can't even stay in the same country for a whole sentance, let alone muck about with the regionality of it. :-(

Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

i've picked up scottish standard features - short vowels, (some) rhoticity etc - in the past ten years, but that's basic assimilation. if i go back "home" to the north-west of england, i quickly assimilate back.

it basically means that scots think i sound english, and english ppl think i sound scottish. o well.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

haha, i got that the whole time between 3 and 14! All my english cousins would call me 'scotch haggis' and at school I'd get called queen victoria and get the piss ripped out of my posh accent.

Vicky (Vicky), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

I have a west of Glasgow accent, too far west to be posh, not Glasgow enough to be scary (I hope) I used to be very well spoken but years of 'who the fuck does that pure snobby cow hink she is' made me go all slang and common ;0(

smee (smee), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Lost a lot of Wolverhampton, firstly through going to university and mainly through living in the south for the last five years. In recent months I've noticed I've picked up some Irish phrasing from Irish-Scouse boyfriend. I said "your man" the other day and felt embarrassed by the phoniness of it all.

If I go back to Wolverhampton my accent reappears, but many people in London assume I'm from the Home Counties.

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

The poshness of my accent is tempered by me living in Oxford the last few years, which has given me a touch of University accent, which is all accents rolled into one.

Kate + alcohol = the most english accent EVAH. Watching the transformation is a sight to behold.

Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

As my bleedin' family moved me around from the age of 4:
My chameleonic accents started with Brit (Portsmouth), then Scottish (Glasgow), then Canadian (Toronto), then South African (Johannesburg), then American Generic (lived in Paris but went to the American School of Paris), then South African again (Johannesburg), now Canadian (Ottawa). Now it's sort of a combination of all of them, and sometimes I'll say boot and sometimes trunk, and sometimes teatowel and sometimes dishcloth, and sometimes petrol and sometimes gas, and every single person who talks to me says, looking puzzled, "where are you _from_?"

Surfer_Stone_Rosalita (Surfer_Stone_Rosalita), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

Madonna to thread.

Roz (Roz), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

I've got a Southeast Asian accent (I guess?), but since moving to Melbourne three years ago, have occasionally found myself speaking with that Aussie lilt that makes every sentence sound like a question.

Roz (Roz), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

I've picked up some Irish phrasing from Irish-Scouse boyfriend.

And you were blaming me for the "You assumed I was a flaaaarrrrr that you could snap in two" line! ;-)

Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

I wonder what accent I have when I speak English. Probably a mixture. *sigh*

nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

My cousins (first cousins, not the ones here) have an even worse accent than me - they come from the same Scots/South African stock, but then went Ireland -> Canadia.

Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what is funnier: Zuid Afrikaans or Canadian French.

nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

We were having this discussion in the pub last night, about which language is uglier - Afrikaans or Quebequois. I reckon Quebecquois, but only because I'm quite used to Afrikaans, as the Other Side of the Family speak it.

Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

From time to time I lapse into a mild rural Oxfordshire accent. Oo-arrr, etc.

suckling pig at a rave (alix), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

I've picked up some Irish phrasing from Irish-Scouse boyfriend.
And you were blaming me for the "You assumed I was a flaaaarrrrr that you could snap in two" line! ;-)

-- Ancients of LAUTRO

No, I blame Eoin for phrases. I blame you for making me sound like one of the Lovely Lovely Corrs in that song. (For the bennefits of others: Kate writes lyrics that scan in her [roughly] eastern US tones. If I sing them in the same way with my generic English accent I sound Irish.)

Anna (Anna), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

I started with a thick West Yorkshire accent that got milder, with a strong Irish twist, when I studied in Ulster. I still catch myself saying 'a wee....' 'howsabout you' and, like Anna, 'yer man'. 10 years of living in Holland with a wife speaking RP it now sounds a mildly Northern with some idiosyncratic Dutch phrasing thrown in.

I spent most of my time speaking Dutch with a dreadful English that most locals find either endearing or downright amusing :-(

stevo (stevo), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

I had a slight Newfoundland accent when I moved to Toronto, but it's long gone now.

Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

I'm a bit of a chameleon. I've been told that if you shift you're accent you're not being true to your roots, but fuck Woking! Sorry Woking. I've picked up a variety of quirks in the three years I've lived in Glasgow:
- some short vowels, particularly on 'good'
- "do you not?" rather than "don't you?"
- sometimes I 'stay' rather than 'live' and sometimes it's 'back of three' rather than 'just gone three (o'clock)'

I have yet to say 'they' instead of 'those', or 'aye' or 'hen'.

When I lived in Manchester, I said 'no' in a very particular way. When I get drunk, I do a good scouse. J0hn P0wer thought I was taking the piss, which is no bad thing I suppose.

When I worked in France, I was told that people in the office referred to me as the English girl who talks like a French girl (rust has set in and this is definitely no longer the case) and I was three times mistaken for a native Italian when I lived in Italy (the accent hasn't slipped as badly as French and I can get it back towards the end of a week's holiday).

Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

when i first met you, mädchen, i thought (because of your accent), right, she's from the south of england. this thread has got me thinking: where, as an englishwoman in glasgow, did you think i was from?

(i can't be offended here, because the correct answer - "blackpool" - is as embarrassing as it gets.)

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

I don't know what my accent is.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

it's time for an audio-link frenzy!

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

hang on: we've done that, haven't we?

ach. ian riese-moraine to thread.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

In London, people think I'm from the North.

In the North, people think I sound "posh" - ie, from the South

In Scotland, people can't tell whether I'm English or Scottish.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

(I invite people who have met me to say what sort of accent they think I have)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

This thread is now drifting...

I thought it was "Does your actual accent change?" rather than "Do different people's perception of your accent change?"

But perhaps I need some more coffee.

Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

I had a Worcester accent until I got an assisted place to go to public school when I was 11. The other kids would tease me for my common accent so I lost it and had what I suppose would be an RP accent with Worcester inflections on certain words (like I still used to say "twalve" instead of "twelve").

Then I went to uni in Reading, lived there for 6 years then moved to London, so I've been in the south for 11 years and have lost most of the Worcester-isms and have picked up several London-isms (the dreaded "innit" etc).

Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

My accent's all over the shop.

Northernish, southernish, all points in between.

During our holiday in Spain, a liverpudlian woman asked if the bus was coming soon, and I replied "Ah hope so" in perfect scouse, which stunned me like I'd just burped unexpectedly.

mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

I have a thick northern accent that is a combination of Sheffield and Manchester, and I always worry that people really have quite a hard time understanding me, and/or they believe me to be really stupid, without first giving me chance to prove it to them.

tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Obviously, my English has rusted as well over the past four years.
Nowadays, I cannot believe that Americans still are impressed with my Britishness.

Being a native Madrileña, when I came back to Madrid from Barcelona last May, many people mistook my accent by Catalan, which is most unwelcome down here. In either situation, a brief summary of my life is always handy.

olenska (olenska), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

i've picked up some different inflections from the places i've lived. nothing that extreme, though.

every time i'm around native new yorkers, my new york accent gets more pronounced.

s/c (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

now i've got the posh back, by and large, and i'm pretty happy with it - although i do seem to develop some alarming mockneyisms when pissed

charlie you do speak AUSTRALIAN! not all the time like. but when you say aussie phrases you say them in an aussie accent. it's very sweet.

*ducks*

kate, i love how your englishness increases in direct proportion to your drunkenness. it's perfectly apposite.

i have zero accent loyalty. it goes all over the place, all the time. even mid-conversation, depending on who i'm talking to/who or what i'm thinking about/what music i've been listening to/what films or tv i've been watching/what mood i'm in/what stupid phrases i've had jammed in the back of my head for a few days/what colour the sky is. it's sort of crap but i'm sort of attached to my accentlessness now. i've been accused of being irish sometimes, geordie frequently, eastern european a few times, west country a lot, aussie and kiwi once or twice, scandinavian a LOT (once by someone who'd known me for about 3 years!), scottish a few times, south african quite often, south american once or twice... the geordie one makes most sense cos i grew up in wales and went to uni in the norf and if you put those two together you (sort of) get geordie. the cause for this is obvious: went to uwc in hong kong at 16 with a strong welsh accent then was surrounded by 250 other kids from all over the world, some of whom could barely speak english and half of whom couldn't understand a word most of the others said. i was the first person asim spoke to on campus and neither of us knew what the other one was going on about at all (odd, considering that when a lot of people try to do a welsh accent it comes out pakistani and vice versa). we all ended up with this bizarro placeless accent, bits of brit, bits of north america, bits of oceania, bits of fuckknowswhat, interspersed with random words of mandarin/cantonese/spanish. i loved that actually, the idea that there was nowhere else in the entire world that had quite the same accent as our little enclave. hm, it's our ten-year reunion next year. i wonder if we'll all revert to lpc-speak?

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

No one has "no" accent. Except for a few academics from Edinburgh

Do I count as having no accent then? grimly can probably judge it.

alext (alext), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

Except for a few academics from Edinburgh

The only academic I ever knew who lived in Edinburgh was originally from Minnesota, IIRC.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

I occasionally will force a Southern accent for New Englanders who become disappointed in my lack of hillbillyisms.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Southern accents rock, and they really heat up when you go visit your even-more-Southern relatives. "git them youn'uns inside the truck!"

jxnx (jxnx), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

And there's the type of drift exhibited by my nieces' babysitter, white girl from rural Iowa, who's been dating a black guy for like eight months: "Y'all get yo' coats, we gots to get to the sto'!"

brianiac (briania), Thursday, 15 September 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)

Grimly, if I'm not mistaken I knew you were from Blackers before I heard you speak. Now I keep trying to remember what your voice sounds like, but it keeps sliding into Windsor Davies. Can't for the life of me think why.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 15 September 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

Oh hang on, maybe I didn't. We had a conversation about your hometown being invaded by Glaswegians for a fortnight each year, didn't we? That must have been when I found out. OK, file under 'too drunk to remember'.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 15 September 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

I spent most of my time speaking Dutch with a dreadful English that most locals find either endearing or downright amusing :-(

Stevo, Dutch people have funny accents as well, so they shouldn't find it at all amusing. ;-)

nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 15 September 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

I wish I'd said 'you keep sliding into Windsor Davies' so we could all make jokes.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 15 September 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

Do I count as having no accent then?

no. you still have the same gentle south-of-england tones you've had for as long as i've known you. it's a lovely voice, actually: RP without being "poshly" so. prone to rising in the middle of sentences as you become enthusiastic about things.

but it keeps sliding into Windsor Davies

oh, how i wish i sounded like windsor davies. or indeed looked like him.

x-post: ew.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 15 September 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

Mine's got progressively less Sarf London and more middle-class over time. Chris now claims I have no accent at all, mind.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 15 September 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

I occasionally will force a Southern accent for New Englanders who become disappointed in my lack of hillbillyisms.
-- nickalicious

This isn't fair. I want all Ilxors Ihaven't met to sound appropriate to their place. I reinforces my idea of a nice global community. I am oddly gutted that Nick doesn't have Southern accent.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 15 September 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

hm, it's our ten-year reunion next year. i wonder if we'll all revert to lpc-speak?

That depends. You down with LPC? Perhaps you could amplify the speeches with an LPC Soundsystem? No doubt there'll be plenty of LPC Newstalk at the reunion though. "When I was young/PC meant Per-leece Cun-stubble!" ectect

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 15 September 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

Mine's got progressively less Sarf London and more middle-class over time

Sweetie, you speak like Hugh Grant. I can't imagine you ever having had a proper sarf London voice.

Anna (Anna), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

Born in Exeter to parents from Sheffield. Went to university in the midlands. Most of my best friends are northern. I am sometimes accused of being a Londoner due to my accent. It goes all over the place.

Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

my accent actually got marginally posher when my parents moved to somerset when I was 9: I think my instinct on hearing the somerset accent was to recoil in horror and vow to never ever ever sound anything like that. the same, to a lesser extent, went for the welsh accent at university. happily, I succeeded on both counts. my accent is slightly less posh now though I'd have a hard time analysing it myself, pinning down exactly how this is the case.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:22 (twenty years ago)

I am confused about whether I've still got my original accent or not. When I'm down here the Scottish component gets commented upon; but when I'm up there they think I've lost my accent completely.

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

my accent is going WAY out of control y'all

Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

Mine is fairly standard Fife, I think, but with a hint of the Doric in there. And I've definitely picked up some Bristolian habits ("where's that to?", "ideal", "areal"), although they don't surface that often.

I'm glad Vicky said upthread other people though she had a West Country accent, I certainly did.

I'm equally glad I'm not the only one who thinks Grimly sounds more than a little Welsh.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

Sociolinguistics, anyone?
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Journal of Sociolinguistics
Volume 6 Issue 1 Page 117 - February 2002
doi:10.1111/1467-9481.00180


Dynamics of dialect convergence
J. K. Chambers
Mobility is the most effective leveller of dialect and accent, and mobility constitutes a powerful linguistic force today. The sociolinguistics of mobility unites several disparate threads in my own research. First, immigration represents extreme mobility, and societies with profuse immigration differ in partly predictable ways linguistically and culturally from those with little or no immigration. Second, dialect acquisition by the children of newcomers provides new perspectives on critical period effects and influences, including the Ethan Experience, in which the nativization of children is abetted by their imperception of foreign-accent features in their parents' speech. Third, identification of relatively recently-arrived people from other dialect regions allows comparisons of their linguistic norms with the communal norms, and a measure of their linguistic influence. From the cumulative results, we are in a position to frame hypotheses about linguistic variables in terms of their susceptibility to change and their resistance to it, and the identities of inhibitors and accelerators. All these threads should ultimately form integral aspects of the dynamics of dialect convergence.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Thursday, 15 September 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

I don't believe that the time I've spent in the environs of merseyside have altered my accent at all, la.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 15 September 2005 13:11 (twenty years ago)

When my mom would visit her home in Western North Carolina, during breaks from Penn, her Southern accent would become particularly pronounced. Maybe she was trying to show that she was still "real," unsullied by Ivy League life. Or maybe, after all those months trying to supress her Southern-ness for fear of ridicule, she just really wanted to let loose.

emilys. (emilys.), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

i have a bit of a drifting accent from spending some years in edinburgh and newcastle. i think my accent has even changed a little in the past few months from having a "posh" boyfriend, ahem. when i'm around my family my accent gets more pronounced glaswegian. the thing that irks me about it is that people pass judgement on drifing accents as if the people who have them are fake in some way. does anyone here equate drifting with fakeness?

jed_ (jed), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

i've lived in South Carolina since i was 9, after moving around alot. the only southern thing i've really picked up is 'y'all'.

latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

But "Y'all" is so handy and all-purpose! If I try not to say "y'all," I find myself saying "you guys" which sounds really stupid too, at least at work or any other context where I don't want to sound juvenile.

jxnx (jxnx), Friday, 16 September 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

does anyone here equate drifting with fakeness?

i certainly don't: assimilating is (IIRC) a sign of intelligence (ie making your life easier by making sutle moves to fit in). at least, that's how i justify it to myself.

and i'm from fucking blackpool: why the hell would i want to preserve traces of that?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

as for "y'all": yes, the north-east-english/central-scottish "youse" is also "youse"ful (sorry) and i wish it could catch on as an accepted standard form.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

My fiance is slowly ironing out the few midwestern twangs that I grew up with, i.e. I now say eggs as "ehggs" instead of "ayggs".

xpost, I do say "y'all" now, but I hated it as a kid.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 16 September 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

I went posh this weekend. I haven't quite shaken it off yet.

Mädchen (Madchen), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

thus of course media misunderstanding of galloway when what he was actually saying was "i salute youse," i.e. people of iraq as opposed to just saddam.

(xpost x 2)

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

My dipthongs are shifting in odd ways of late. A little Australian, a little Kentish, mainly weird.

suckling pig at a rave (alix), Monday, 19 September 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

I have the worst NJ accent on "paws" -comes out as "pwaws" no matter what I do. My best friend says he can tell when I'm only a few hours off a plane from home, even if he didn't know that I went home that weekend, from the accent reappearing.

The funniest slipping in-and-out accent of anyone I know is a Canadian friend, he has a Scottish mom, lived in London when he was a kid, and then moved to Ottowa and then California. He sounds perfectly normal, and then 'aboot' will appear, or he'll come up something like 'we got into a row'.

lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 02:41 (twenty years ago)

Mine drifts totally. I like to think it's totally true to my Highland roots, but it's really only like that when I am drunk, or talking to others from up North.

I find my accent drifts depending on who I am with. I feel my accent a bit crass next to my better-spoken friends (i.e. most of them), so I tend to try harder not to sound like a sheep-shagging teuchter. I hope none of them think I'm taking the piss. On the other hand, I find my inner-boarding-school-ness making me think I sound too posh when at work so I overcompensate by slinging West of Scotland slang in (which is starting to come naturally to me now).

I think I remain recognisably Invernessian though.

I can't remember what grimly talks like, but I'm now convinced it is like Windsor Davies. I don't think I thought it was NE England anyway. aldo is definitely from Fife, that much is clear.

ailsa (ailsa), Tuesday, 20 September 2005 18:45 (twenty years ago)


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