Gender oppression bad for men SHOCKAH

ARGH handwringing euro asshattery. Here's a thought. Next time, before we go all OMG we must reeducate teh menz! let's try convincing the wimminz to stop finding risk-taking, aggression, and suppression of emotions so damn hott.

Sensitive, gentle men will promptly fall from the very trees, as sure as night follows day.

Don't forget -- PERSONALITY-LESS, too!

Also, more to the liking of bourgeois Brit researchers at regional universities.

Neocolonialism masquerading as humanitarian aid shockah!

Fookin secular missionaries.

Sensitive, gentle men will promptly fall from the very trees, as sure as night follows day.

Kind of OTM, but men also take risks and are aggressive to impress, or show dominance over, other guys just for the hell of it, not just for women. Like, all-male prisons are hardly peaceful, emotion-baring bonding fests.

Totally agree with this.

just for the hell of it

If not with this.

Turns out, I'm a bit of a behaviorist. And I can think of few human situations where the skinnerbox is in such clear view as in a prison.

Realigning reward structures requires much more significant change than funding sensitivity training, and requires more honest soul-searching, but it has the benefit of working.

Granted, Aristophanes may have already covered this in Lysistrata.

Patriarchy my ass. We've all become too pussified and I think we should all go back to glorification of the male, as in ancient Rome. If that means more men become homosexuals, so be it. As long as the women all turn into cock-worshipping sluts, I'm fine with it.

The contemporary version of this is what, going to art school and majoring in literature and listening to emo or Avril?

This is pretty much in line with my original post: look how much LESS hunting, killing and neighbor-raping male human-types do than they presumably did back at Teh Dawn Of Man.

Jeez you know who requires a lot? MEN
*Require women to always be calling them and making them feel loved even though they dont admit it (i.e. Women also need to be psychic hence 'women's intuition')
*Need women to laugh at their unfunny jokes and listen to every boring thing they ever say, which they are compelled to say whether their audience gives a fuck or not
*Need women to do all their housework, even though they know how to do it, out of bullshit pseudo belief/excuse that housework doesn't 'need' doing (but then getting annoyed and unable to function when it's not done)
*Need women to be doing something in their life that keeps them occupied enough not to be dependent on the man but not so occupied and interested that the man feels inadequate by comparison
*Require women to look sexy for them but insult them if they look good to other men

I may also add your clearly male experience of a female orgasm (or maybe you just read D.H. Lawrence) renders your description biased and I call bullshit. Men have the same damn undulating waves.
Medical textbook descriptions of female anatomy often contain all these same biases, which construct female anatomy as passive and degenerative and male anatomy as active and well fucking splendiferous. Get over yourselves men doctors! 'Educated by TV' you don't seem like you have a whole lot to offer women either so the feeling's mutual, please go and live somewhere in the woods with all the other likeminded men.

Require women to always be calling them and making them feel loved even though they dont admit it (i.e. Women also need to be psychic hence 'women's intuition')

Yeah, pretty much, but that's not specific to any gender.

Need women to laugh at their unfunny jokes and listen to every boring thing they ever say, which they are compelled to say whether their audience gives a fuck or not

I have so dated this girl. I hated her.

Need women to do all their housework, even though they know how to do it, out of bullshit pseudo belief/excuse that housework doesn't 'need' doing (but then getting annoyed and unable to function when it's not done)

This is why I prefer living alone. If the trash hasn't been taken out, I have one single irresponsible person to blame.

Need women to be doing something in their life that keeps them occupied enough not to be dependent on the man but not so occupied and interested that the man feels inadequate by comparison

Ouch.

Require women to look sexy for them but insult them if they look good to other men

Absurd (to me). I like women who are pretty AND who I can trust not to fuck everyone. The degree of pretty is not the issue.

Men have the same damn undulating waves.

Oh God yes we do. Oh oh oh God.

Hah, because women are all passive and nod their heads at whatever others say? Face it, we're becoming a society where the ability to socialize and read other people is becoming more key by the day and this has been stereotyped as a female trait for years. Male emotion exists, it's just a lot more blunt and less nuanced. Anything that requires a lot of interaction -- management, political interaction -- already utilizes a lot of the "female mind," it's just that this isn't readily admitted. Knee-jerk affirmation of the "I'm right, I'm the dealmaker" masculine nature is crap since a lot more (mutually beneficial) deals get done with the rigor of interpersonal communication mastered.

Also, logged outs, try to remember that whatever dysfunctional behavior you may have experienced in your relationships is not necessarily representative of the opposite gender as a whole. Go meet some new people.

As far as why violence against women might lead to lower life expectancies, take a look at this article. There's some touch-feely anecdotal stuff, but some of the research is interesting. It's primarily about differing types of friendships and reactions to stress, and how they effect longevity in men and women.

To be sure, friendships profoundly affect the health of both genders, researchers say. Men and women who report loneliness die earlier, get sick more often and weather transitions with greater physical wear and tear than those who say they have a support network. Men rely heavily on their wives to ward off the health effects of loneliness. Married men are markedly healthier and live longer than bachelors or widowers.

I would imagine that killing your wife, and likely also abusing her badly, would erode your network of support, and according to these researchers, make you more isolated and susceptible to the ravages of stress. Learning to relate to your wife, and not killing her, would give you a deeper network of support and more resilience to the physiological damage stress can cause.

hahaha

Sorry. Yeah, not killing your wife would seem to be a big step toward more people liking you.

note to self: reluctantly check "logged in only" box next time

Survey Finds More Women Try Bisexuality

By MARTHA IRVINE, AP National WriterThu Sep 15, 7:50 PM ET

More women — particularly those in their late teens and 20s — are experimenting with bisexuality or at least feel more comfortable reporting same-sex encounters, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

The survey, released Thursday by the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics, found that 11.5 percent of women, ages 18 to 44, said they've had at least one sexual experience with another woman in their lifetimes, compared with about 4 percent of women, ages 18 to 59, who said the same in a comparable survey a decade earlier.

For women in their late teens and 20s, the percentage rose to 14 percent in the more recent survey. About 6 percent of men in their teens and 20s said they'd had at least one same-sex encounter.

While those who conducted the survey took measures to protect respondents' privacy, researchers say it's unclear whether the figure for men was lower because they're are more likely to avoid same-sex experiences or whether they're not reporting them.

It wouldn't surprise Kat Fowler, a 27-year-old art student who dates both women and men, if men were less likely to talk about their experiences.

"There's a certain higher level of discrimination (for men). It's a lot easier for women to have these kinds of experiences and be open about it because it's more accepted," said Fowler, who attends the University of Florida.

The findings on bisexuality and other aspects of Americans' sexual habits were taken from the National Survey of Family Growth, which included 12,571 in-person interviews, done from March 2002 to March 2003. Overall, researchers said the report shows that most people have relatively few partners and are at a low risk for sexually transmitted diseases.

"Instead of just anecdotes and stories that raise people's anxieties, I think it's best to have real numbers," said William Mosher, the statistician who oversaw the report. "And now we have those."

When it comes to women and same-sex relationships, Mosher said it would be worth studying why young women seek such relationships, and whether they may be trying to avoid diseases more commonly spread through sex with men.

But some experts who study sexuality say it's even more likely that many college students simply see experimentation as a rite of passage.

"It's very safe in the academic community; no one thinks anything of it," said Elayne Rapping, a professor of American studies at the University of Buffalo who has written about sexuality.

"But to some extent there's more talk than action," she added, noting that the bisexuality label has become a "badge of courage" for some college women, even those who only date men. Meanwhile, she said, men who have same-sex experiences are often less likely to talk about it publicly.

The trend among college women has prompted some sexual behavior experts to light-heartedly refer to the term "LUG," or "lesbian until graduation," said Craig Kinsley, a neuroscientist at the University of Richmond who studies the biology of sexual orientation and gender.

In other findings, the survey said that about 10 percent of females, ages 15 to 19, and 12 percent of males had experienced heterosexual oral sex but not vaginal intercourse. While no earlier data were available for young women, percentages for young men in 1992 were about the same, researchers said.

Those numbers dropped substantially for people in their 20s, who were more likely to have had vaginal intercourse.

The survey also revealed that 39 percent of men, ages 15 to 44, who'd had at least one sexual partner in the last year said they used a condom during their most recent sexual encounter. That figure rose to 65 percent for men who'd never been married — and 91 percent for men who'd ever had sexual contact with another man.

Mosher said it was likely that men in higher-risk categories were heeding campaigns that encourage them to use condoms.

"Whether the levels (of condom use) are high enough is for others to judge," Mosher said. "But I think it's at least encouraging."

The survey of adults has a margin of error of 1 percentage point and 3 percentage points for the teen data.

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On the Net:

Federal survey results: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/ad/361-370/ad362.htm

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Martha Irvine is a national writer specializing in coverage of people in their 20s and younger. She can be reached at mirvine(at)ap.org

(HEY MARTHA DID YOU LIKE GO TO COLLEGE?!?!?!? B.U.G., Y'KNOW??!??)

Oh, and Lady, men do NOT have the same undulating waves as women. We have a penis that spurts as opposed to a vagina that milks. Deeper in, there is an aspect of the vagina that "lubes" and this is what is showcased on spurting orgasms websites, but this is secondary aspect of the "FEED ME MORRIS" penis-flytrap orgasm.

-- Educated by TV (menrul...), September 16th, 2005.

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(psst. He's afraid of vaginas.)

this is the single greatest thing I have read on ilx ever.

Come on. This was funny.

I try, you know I try! But ILXors just don't get me! I filled it with double entendres and wrote like a moron and to top it off my name is... Educated by TV. Yet, underneath it all, it's funny because it's true, right?

-- Hurting (Hurtingchie...), September 16th, 2005.

Oh wait I forgot, you were educated by TV.

I think my own take on all of this can be summed up thusly: I was something of an armchair feminist in my early 20s. I read Steinhem, I read Paglia, I even read Dworkin. The only conclusion I could come to as a young man was "Don't be an asshole".

It's true. I totally want to throw down on Martin now!

(Unless he's, like, a BJJ or Krav guy. I want to keep my joints and organs.)

You're right. I was going on 15 hours at the ol' office there and was perhaps a might cranky. Let the wild rumpus begin.

http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com/photos2002/2003102711255626A.jpg

Brazilian Ju Jitsu, Krav Maga... But I can tell you're just sandbagging to lull me into a false sense of security!

"As for Ken Shamrock, his manager turned down the fight. I think Ken is a legend and would fight anyone on UFC roster any day. He just needs to be paid fairly. A match with him I think would not be very good for him. He can not take me down or match my strength with my fists. I have very strong arm, can smash."

...or a clit that does nothing but give you unbelievable pleasure. PWNED.

Um, it's a PUSSY, GET IT YET?!?!?