http://images.ucomics.com/images/uclick/prc_icon180.gifheres the star of "prickly city", a wack calvin & hobbes rip-off with a coyote instead of a tiger and a big-lipped black girl instead of a big-haired white kid
http://images.amuniversal.com/ups/features/pricklycity/samples/stantis_80.jpgheres scott stantis, the creator of "prickly city", former editorial cartoonist in the late 90s responsible for cartoons like thishttp://reason.com/9510/stantis.gif
remember in c&h how sometimes they would discuss philosophical issues while careening around detailed montana/grand canyon landscapes in calvin's wagon? stantis basically steals that every day, but with jokes like thishttp://www.illinoisfamily.org/content/img/f22737/Prickly%20City.gif
now, mallard fillmore is just a duck. but bruce tinsley, the white man who draws it, frequently turns to black, asian, or latino characters to parrot republican talking points. for example, black people support racial profiling- http://www.jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT50910.jpgyou wont ever see a black democrat in mallard fillmore, unless its jesse jackson or al sharpton. liberals are white, frizzy-haired professors or balding ex-hippie drug casualties. http://jewishworldreview.com/strips/mallard/2000/MFT40505.jpg
(kinda unrelated sidenote but these mallard fillmore strips come from the site jewishworldreview.com despite repeated use of hooknosed anti-semitic caricatures in the strip, like jon stewart and this tv exec
heres a picture of bruce tinsleyhttp://www.indianacartoonists.com/images/mallard_au.gif
the last one yall might not see too much cuz its not in newspapers or any of that, but as far as webcomics go its one of the biggest with republicans and gets passed around more email forwards than most lefty strips. as weak as the prickly city draughtmanship is (tho i actually like tinsleys art, as lazy and/or ugly as it sometimes is), chris muir's "day by day" is without a doubt one of the ugliest comic strips ive ever seen. http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/Cartoons/09-06-2005.gif
theres 4 characters, no backgrounds, 2 or 3 poses for each with different heads photoshopped on for each panel. the lead character is damon, a hip conservative software entreupenuer who resents that liberals think he should care about racism and poverty simply because he's blackhttp://www.daybydaycartoon.com/Cartoons/11-04-2002.gif
the others are a white guy who has the same glasses and cool dude hair as damon, his spicy redhead girlfriend, and the ditzy liberal woman seen here http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/Cartoons/01-05-2003.gifhaving a black protagonist means, much like prickly city, muir isnt afraid to take on organizations like the NAACP
also like prickly city, the style of the strip is ripped off entirely from another comic, this time doonesburyhttp://www.daybydaycartoon.com/cartoons/02-09-2003.gif
but muir is not really on trudeau's level as an artist, even on basic skills like perspectivehttp://www.daybydaycartoon.com/cartoons/02-04-2003.gif
theres also some shitty software jokes i dont get
here's muir talking about damon's race in an interview with mensnewsdaily.com:
BC: Was your choice in having two women and two men as your main characters in “Day by Day� a deliberate device for you to address gender issues along with the battle of the sexes? Also, having characters in both their twenties and in their forties gives you a unique opportunity to explore intergenerational relationships. Was this also intentional on your part?
CM: Definitely a deliberate device, both generational and gender. You may note that Jan is extremely political and focused. Damon is the same, and a high IQ type. These characteristics steer them clear of typical generational issues-issues which, as a 45 year old man, I can never really do justice to; I can never be thought 'cool' by their generation. But, perhaps, I can relate to them as Americans, as people, as fellow citizens. Also note that Damon is an orphan, raised without close relatives. I am white. Damon is black. But we are both Americans.
BC: Damon, to me, is the star of your comic. He has the best punch lines and he’s a wonderful foil for the non-reflective liberalism which surrounds him, but have you received criticism for making a black conservative the star of your series? What types of venomous responses have been thrown your way?
CM: There has been, in total, over 2000 comments concerning “Day by Day�, and only one negative comment on Damon. I am frequently asked if I am African-American (not to mention if I am a Christian). There is so much more that unites Americans than divides us.
so, these 3 comic strips use black folks as a mouthpiece for a white man's political views, opinions which a majority of black folks dont actually support. i usually disagree with charges of tokenism aimed at real life black conservatives, from colin powell to j.c. watts (the less said about condi rice/rod paige/alan keyes the better), and the white left bitching about 'house negroes' or 'uncle toms' is 100% stupid and racist. these are adults who have made their own political decisions. sometimes these decisions are then exploited by republicans seeking diversity in their party, but theyre still actual decisions. but now, this trend in comics seems alot more insidious to me, the invention of false black republicans in the absence of any truly popular real ones, and i havent really seen stantis, tinsley or muir get called out for it. is there any way to defend your opposition to the NAACP and affirmative action thru reliance on a fictional black spokesman for your ideals? would someone please interview these fuckers and ask them this?? can don weiner, roger adultry or a nairn (forget if hes a republican or just a batshit creationist) stand up for this?? i turn it over to yall now....
― _, Monday, 26 September 2005 00:35 (twenty years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 26 September 2005 00:42 (twenty years ago)
― disco violence (disco violence), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:43 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)
― _, Monday, 26 September 2005 00:49 (twenty years ago)
i'd like to see the head measurements to prove it
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:51 (twenty years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:52 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)
― _, Monday, 26 September 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/Fillmore_HuJintao-729116.jpg
hu jintao, in real life:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/HuJintao-759734.jpg
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 26 September 2005 00:55 (twenty years ago)
― _, Monday, 26 September 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)
― _, Monday, 26 September 2005 01:01 (twenty years ago)
― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:04 (twenty years ago)
― Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:10 (twenty years ago)
― _, Monday, 26 September 2005 01:15 (twenty years ago)
― amon (eman), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:16 (twenty years ago)
i think there's a masochistic tendency to wish that your enemies were all like you, that certian poltical fights didn't have to be done anymore, that (in this case) the now-inarguable history of black suffering could somehow be used toward their own notion of good, that it wasn't a permanent affront to their project.
(see also, liberals enamored of george soros [who has the benefit of being real i guess], ie a maybe vain hope that somewhere there is a billionaire capitalist who is not a scaife or a murdoch) (see also the west wing, where prez bartlett is a nobel laureate in economics & a new dealer, yeah right)
― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:18 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:25 (twenty years ago)
i think there's a masochistic tendency to wish that your enemies were all like you, that certian poltical fights didn't have to be done anymore
i think this is a human thing, not merely restricted to any one pole of any one dimension along the broad political spectrum ... i have been thinking about that damon character for a minute now and the closest i can see it is sort of like the "good afghan" or "good iraqi" characters in a lot of right-wing cartoons, which are close to the "gunga din" stories people like to tell in support of the war effort ... "gunga din" is about 150 years old, right? and i certainly wouldn't call "gunga din" blackface ... more i guess an urge to write the apparent racial components out of political and social conflicts?
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)
― M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:32 (twenty years ago)
― strng hlkngtn (dubplatestyle), Monday, 26 September 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)
― Hurting (Hurting), Monday, 26 September 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)
― vahid (vahid), Monday, 26 September 2005 02:16 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 September 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 26 September 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)
― geoff (gcannon), Monday, 26 September 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)
it doesn't do the weird race-foregrounding-yet-effacing ventreloquism ethan's talking about, at least not directly.. it just puppets everybody at hand, indiscriminately, i think.
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 26 September 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)
― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 26 September 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)
I wonder how many newspapers would offer me a job as a conservative op-ed writer on the spot if I walked in wearing a suit and bowtie. Six?
― a picture of a fat girl hugging Rick Perry, awesome (Matt Chesnut), Monday, 26 September 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 26 September 2005 04:24 (twenty years ago)
But so, since part of liberal/lefty ideology is a sort of built-in suspicion of power and its corrupting influence, not to mention sanctimony of all kinds, lefty humorists tend to be bipartisan and ecumenical in their targets. See, e.g., Doonesbury's treatment of Clinton. You could argue, convincingly, that Trudeau is harder on Republicans, but he still made plenty of fun of the Clinton White House, in a way that something like Mallard Fillmore never will of Republicans. There are genuinely comedic right-leaning writers (P.J. O'Rourke, Christopher Buckley), who seem to care about jokes more than propping up some party line, but not very many. None of the cartoonists above would seem to qualify, since none of them -- from available evidence -- are funny. They're just regurgitating talk-radio talking points in cartoon balloons. However political Trudeau or Breathed might get, I never doubted that their primary objective was to entertain me. I get no sense of that from these guys.
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 26 September 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)
yeah, that's part of it. when much of humor is built around anti-authoritarianism, it doesn't work as well when employed by folks who're all about maintaining authority.
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 26 September 2005 07:14 (twenty years ago)
― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 26 September 2005 07:19 (twenty years ago)
http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/Cartoons/09-14-2005.gif
for example.
i'm more curious to read the dynamics of the less-political of his cartoons, which seem to all be about gender and just slightly.. off. also he has gags about liberals being old. wtf! also there's this tight smug blogosphere shoutout deal to the whole thing, which only underlines the insularity. all the media gags, etc. -- a strange mirror of the "left" blogosphere too, the distrust of mainstream coverage, almost a certain camradre in some of the cartoons between the conservatives and liberals like ok the other side is completely deluded by still they have something in common by virtue of being 'net using blogreader etcs.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 26 September 2005 07:45 (twenty years ago)
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/B/bromwell_high/bromwellhigh.html
seriously, the characterisations (both in terms of the writing and the voice acting) seem pretty unevolved and offensive.
― foxy boxer (stevie), Monday, 26 September 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 26 September 2005 08:49 (twenty years ago)
― JKex (JKex), Monday, 26 September 2005 09:32 (twenty years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)
― Don King of the Mountain (noodle vague), Monday, 26 September 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)
Liberality for All : "FINALLY, A CONSERVATIVE COMIC BOOK!"
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)
also, the observation that comedy is historically about taking down the king-of-the-mountain, not propping up the power structure, is OTM, which is why these cartoons seem kinda alternate-universe: even dead-baby/retard jokes have as their actual target the power structure ("you musn't think this/laugh at this, it's wrong to do so"), not the ostensible butts of the jokes. Righty cartoonists rely on a steady diet of kick-'em-while-they're-down - grim, joyless stuff
(nb not all rightist humor is like this of course, but the cartoonists do seem of one mine)
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)
― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:13 (twenty years ago)
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 26 September 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)
Damn straight.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 26 September 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)
― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 03:59 (twenty years ago)
― Fetchboy (Felcher), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 04:00 (twenty years ago)
― viborgu, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 05:07 (twenty years ago)
― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 11:07 (twenty years ago)
― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)
― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 22:36 (twenty years ago)
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)
GRENADA: THE COMIC BOOK [Jonah Goldberg ]I love it!Posted at 03:57 PM
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)
― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)
back cover: our soldiers being welcomed as liberators, with flowers and infants!
― kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 22:46 (twenty years ago)
― Jdubz (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)
― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)
*guffaw*
― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)
― k t (matchstick), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)
― k t (matchstick), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)
― _, Wednesday, 9 November 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)
― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)
― kingfish orange creamsicle (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)
AND HER AFFIRMATIVE & ACTIVE VEEP OMAROSA BARAKA
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)
― and what, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:37 (nineteen years ago)
― sleep, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)
― HI DERE, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)
― and what, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:54 (nineteen years ago)
― HI DERE, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)
― kingfish, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)
IS THAT MY MAN HANNITY!?!?
― and what, Thursday, 3 January 2008 05:10 (eighteen years ago)
― cankles, Thursday, 31 July 2008 18:50 (seventeen years ago)
― libcrypt, Thursday, 31 July 2008 18:58 (seventeen years ago)
Whoa- incredibly badass art! Thanks.
-- viborgu, Monday, November 7, 2005 10:43 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link
― and what, Thursday, 31 July 2008 19:00 (seventeen years ago)
― ☂ (max), Wednesday, 6 July 2011 23:01 (fourteen years ago)
thread is the number one google result for "my man hannity"
― mississippi delta law grad (Hurting 2), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:09 (fourteen years ago)
what a great thread
― horseshoe, Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:12 (fourteen years ago)
IS THAT MY MAN HORSESHOE?!
― ☂ (max), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:15 (fourteen years ago)
say what up to u mans and dem
― g++ (gbx), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:18 (fourteen years ago)
Cartoon characters are suppose to be exaggerations of real life people. When do those exagerations of a charcter of a minority race become offensive? Is it related to historical context, and if so how is that context let go?― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, November 8, 2005 3:39 AM (5 years ago) Bookmark
should've been here for the bottleopener thread, could've made some real quality insight
― g++ (gbx), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:31 (fourteen years ago)
SHABOY B O-RIZZY, WHATUP TO BEN STIZZY
― mississippi delta law grad (Hurting 2), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:37 (fourteen years ago)
shhhhh. quiet man. we're listenin'.
― death to ilx, long live the frogbs (strongo hulkington's ghost dad), Thursday, 7 July 2011 00:38 (fourteen years ago)
http://forums.somethingawful.com/attachment.php?postid=391526489
yes, the guy in the last panel is black.
― little mushroom person (abanana), Thursday, 7 July 2011 01:34 (fourteen years ago)
IS THAT MY MANATEE!?!?
― mississippi delta law grad (Hurting 2), Friday, 8 July 2011 00:00 (fourteen years ago)
Try finding cats in positions that look as if they have an 'invisible object'. Put a caption describing what is the 'invisible object'. A good (existing) example would be "invisible bike."
― mississippi delta law grad (Hurting 2), Friday, 8 July 2011 00:03 (fourteen years ago)
lol wrong thread sorry
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/10/128347380320000000conservativecat.jpg
― Wacky Way Lounge (Evan), Friday, 8 July 2011 13:42 (fourteen years ago)
― Race Against Rockism (Myonga Vön Bontee), Tuesday, 1 May 2012 05:45 (fourteen years ago)