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From: Michael Page
To: Laura Swenson
Subject: Seeking more information

Dear Believer:

After careful study of the information about your religion I found that a lot of your ideology might suit me. I would
like to know what does your doctrine offer that I can't get from another sect such as Scientology? Even though I
find Scientology extremely overpriced, the literature is east to understand and they do have a lot of celebrities. I am
currently looking for a theology which is not very complex, rigorous or expensive, offers an easy passage to heaven
and hopefully is tax deductible.

Thank you for your time and I am awaiting your response.

Michael Page

P.S. Do you have any well-known celebrities belonging to your establishment?

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From: Laura Swenson
To: Michael Page
Subject: Seeking more information

Hello!

It was wonderful to hear from you as a fellow scholar of religion, I hope that I may be able to address your
concerns in an appropriate manner, and in the way that the Lord would have me do, because it is only through Him
that true intelligence comes. Your message to me included the following line:

>"I am currently looking for a theology which
>is not very complex, rigorous or expensive,
>offers an easy passage to heaven and hopefully is
>tax deductible."

I feel it my responsibility to testify to you that the gospel of Jesus Christ is simple, concise, and divine in nature and
purpose. This is not to say that living it appropriately doesn't constitute some time allowance and guidelines for
living. We were all taught the eternal truths of salvation before we came to this earth, and to hear them here is not to
learn them, but to recognize them once again and realize their authenticity. Once a testimony of the truths being
taught is gained, living the principles is not difficult, because we understand the reasons for them. To an outside
observer they may seem rigorous, when in fact they are liberating in many ways. The part about a religion being
expensive is in interesting statement that if you would like, I could respond to with further elaboration on the subject,
but let it be enough for now to say that I do not pay any "dues" in order to be a member of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints.

To the point, and I hope that I am not offensive in this statement, but it sounds to me as if you are looking for more
of a hobby to fill your time with, whereas what you are investigating is not only a religion, but a way of life. It is so
much deeper than a hobby, and infinitely more fulfilling, because it's true, and it's a gift from our Heavenly Father to
us. The following is a list of our basic beliefs and behaviors, for your information.

The Articles of Faith of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535-541
Articles of Faith 1
1 WE believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
Articles of Faith 2
2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
Articles of Faith 3
3 We believe that through the atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and
ordinances of the Gospel.
Articles of Faith 4
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second,
Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy
Ghost.
Articles of Faith 5
5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in
authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
Articles of Faith 6
6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors,
teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
Articles of Faith 7
7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
Articles of Faith 8
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of
Mormon to be the word of God.
Articles of Faith 9
9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many
great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
Articles of Faith 10
10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New
Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the
earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
Articles of Faith 11
11 We claim the privilege of worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow
all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
Articles of Faith 12
12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the
law.
Articles of Faith 13
13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say
that we follow the admonition of Paul--We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and
hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek
after these things.
Joseph Smith.

Please feel free to let me know if you have any further questions or comments. :)

Very sincerely,

Laura Swenson


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"The one great God looked down and smiled
And counted each his loving child;
For Turk, and Brahmin, Monk, and Jew
Had reached Him through the Gods they knew."
~Harry Romaine

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From: Michael Page
To: Laura Swenson
Subject: Seeking more information

Dear: Laura

Thank you for your reply. I skimmed over the Article of Faiths which you included in your email to me. From the
few that I read, they sound interesting. It seems that there would be a lot of reading involved in your religion, would
you happen to have any of your teachings on audio or video cassettes, so if I decide to join I can save some
valuable time?

After doing more research into you theology I learned that I would have to wear a special undergarment. If this is
indeed true, what colors do they come in, and do they cost extra, or do you throw them in for the same price?

I also understand that the Marriott hotel chain is Mormon owned. Do you have any special vacation discounts,
which come included, since I plan on traveling in Pittsburgh over the summer? Although I do not travel much I think
it might be a valuable service to have.

I also heard that polygamy is accepted in your religion although I did not see this advertised on your homepage. If it
is indeed so, I think I might be very interested in joining your organization since no other religion I researched offers
this.

It was also brought to my attention that it is required for all Mormons to contribute 10% to the church. If it is the
case, would this be before taxes or after, and is it deductible?

Thank you for your time and to eliminate any future requests can you please include an application with your reply.

Thanks again.

Michael Page

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From: Laura Swenson
To: Michael Page
Subject: Seeking more information

Michael,
I find your cynicism wearying... I will indeed answer your questions, But it seems as though a little redundant in
many ways. Your attitude suggests a certain indifference, and I believe in the bible it mentions not to cast pearls
before swine, and the gospel is a pearl of very great price, so I will refrain from speaking as openly as I have
hitherto done. If you are sincerely interested, I'm sure you can find a way of expressing that. But I know this to be
church to be true, without a doubt. If I could only speak as an angel, to the convincing of all men, I would be happy.

Garments are a sacred reminder of who we are the covenants we have made with God in His holy temples. They do
not come in colors, and there is much symbolism involved in the covering. Garments set us apart from the world,
and act as a shield and protectorate for is throughout life from the buffetings of Satan.

I'll skip the comment on Brother Marriott, except to say that there are more Mormons in upper class positions that
you would guess, and no, there are no special discounts, although I think you already knew that.

Polygamy hasn't been an accepted of Mormonism for over 100 years, which would explain the lack of advertising,
so don't let that be a draw to the religion for you - you will be disappointed. :)

Tithing is a principle of the church that I have a firm testimony of. When you say Mormons are required to pay 10%
tithing, it is not a question of whether they can be a Mormon if they do or not. In ancient times, Israel offered blood
sacrifices to the Lord as a symbol of their devotion to him, among other things. Tithing is a similar principle, and I
have never gone without anything as a result of paying tithing. The Lord knows our needs and provides, and we are
blessed for having the faith to live this principle. The funds go to build new temples and chapels all over the world,
as well as support educational programs and charities. There is no application. Read the Book of Mormon if you'd
like to see any other terms, restrictions, or otherwise fine print, but I think you will find no surprises. Thank you for
your interest and time, it's been educational for us both, I'd dare assume.

Your loving sister in Christ,

Laura Swenson

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"The one great God looked down and smiled
And counted each his loving child;
For Turk, and Brahmin, Monk, and Jew
Had reached Him through the Gods they knew."
~Harry Romaine

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From: Michael Page
To: Laura Swenson
Subject: Seeking more information

Dear: Laura

Thank you for your response to my questions. I apologize if I sound cynical, but over the last few weeks I have
been inundated with people pitching me their religion, and as you can understand I am a bit confused on the matter.
But the information you supplied has been very helpful. I am glad there are people in public relations such as your
self who can answer my request for information. Some other religions, which will rename nameless, have not been
as helpful and it is very doubtful if I will join them now.

I like the idea of wearing a sacred garment around all the time as a buffering against Satan. Although from the way I
see it, you are still exposing your head to Satan, or do you also provide a special cap?

I am sorry to hear that you do not offer any special hotel discounts but since there seem to be a lot of powerful
people belonging to your organization with whom I am sure I can schmooze and network, for travel discounts and
maybe even small electrical appliances.

I am also sorry to hear about the polygamy has been discontinued, if you ever decide to bring it back I think it will
be a great marketing tool.

Thank you very much for your time and information.

Would it be possible to try out your special garments for a few weeks to test out its powers? I currently wear a
medium large.

Thank you for your time and patients.

Michael Page

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From: Laura Swenson
To: Michael Page
Subject: Seeking more information.

Dear Michael,

> I am glad there are people in public relations
> such as your self who can answer my request
> for information. Some other religions, which
> will rename nameless, have not been as helpful
> and it is very doubtful if I will join them now.

While I thank you for your compliment in regards to our interrogation sessions, I really must remind you that there is
only one true church upon the face of the earth, I belong to it, and anybody may that would like to. Nobody,
however, should base a decision like that on the helpfulness of their PR, but on an inner conviction that it's right, and
a desire to learn more. The church is perfect, the people - although they are working toward it - are not.

> I like the idea of wearing a sacred garment
> around all the time as a buffering against Satan.
> Although from the way I see it, you are still
>exposing your head to Satan, or do you also
>provide a special cap?

Skip this one... have you ever seen a Mormon? That's a legitimate question, and one I should ask before I mention
that no, we do not have special caps, and that the garment is symbolic of covenants we have made, it is those
covenants, as much or more than the garment, that keep us safe.

>organization with whom I am sure I can schmooze
>and network, for travel discounts and maybe even
>small electrical appliances.

This is a religion, not an auction

>I am also sorry to hear about the polygamy
>has been discontinued, if you ever decide to bring
>it back I think it will be a great marketing tool.

We have the truth, the fullness of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Plan of Salvation, the keys to happiness and eternal
life - those attributes speak for themselves to the hearts of the members and those with ears to hear. We need no
marketing tools, because we are not in competition for the number of members. We are working to save souls, not
for numbers, but because we know the value of what we have and wish to share it.


>Thank you very much for your time and information.

You're very welcome!

>Would it be possible to try out your special
>garments for a few weeks to test out its
>powers? I currently wear a medium large.

Learn about the Gospel, and you'll understand the garments. You don't "test drive" them, any more than you could
"test drive" the covenants they represent. A covenant is a binding agreement, and I'm sure you agree that it is an
admirable and ever-diminishing quality to find one who will keep his word. You don't try it out and decide you don't
like it, this is a serious commitment I feel you are making a mockery of.

>Thank you for your time and patients.

Patience is a Virtue, patients are what we are in the healing hands of the Lord.

Michael, I will readily admit that I know very little about you, your background, for all I know your name isn't even
Michael. None of that matters, I'm just pointing out that via email all I can do is tell you what I believe, in faith that
no matter how cynical you seem in your questions, you either are learning a little about our faith, or a little about
some of the members, since it seems you have done your homework on the faith already to some extent. I hope that
what you are finding furthers whatever cause you have for writing. I will say, once again, that I value my testimony of
this gospel more than any of my possessions, and would appreciate your consideration and mutual courtesy in your
tone and manner. I will answer whatever you send me, because I have nothing to hide. But the manner in which the
questions are presented affords the Lord some degree of respect or disrespect, in whichever light they are asked. I
love Him, He is my best friend, and has given me more in my life than I could ever repay Him for. I write because of
this love, and the appreciation I have for the gospel in my life, the incredible blessing it is to know who I am, where I
came from, why I am here, and where I am going, without a doubt. I am not writing to convince you or to convert
you, but because you asked the questions and I love to share. Please keep that in mind, it is not a game to me, or a
conquest for converts, just a way to spread the truth to those who haven't heard the wonderful news yet, that the
truth is on the earth again!

Thank you for your time, it's been a good experience for me.

Laura Swenson

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What win I, if I gain the thing I seek.
A dream, a breath, a froth of fleeting joy.
Who buys a minute's mirth to wail a week?
Or sells eternity to get a toy?
For one sweet grape who will vine destroy?
Or what fond beggar, but to touch the crown,
Would the sceptre straight be strucken down?
~ William Shakespeare

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From: Michael Page
To: Laura Swenson
Subject: Seeking more information

Thank you again for your response to your inquiry. You have been very helpful in answering my questions, and I
look forward to learning more about your God and Savior when I find sometime. I am also planning on travelling to
Utah within the next year or so. Maybe I can drop by and check out a few of your churches as well as try on a few
garments, I think it will be a very educational experience.

Thank you again for your time.

Michael Page

Michael Page, Monday, 3 October 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

what's the point of this? would you have happily posted something like this to address the option of becoming black? i don't know, maybe you would have... it's well and clever and everything, but it's pretty puerile and not in a funny cute way. more in a 'wow, you have a lot of free time way.' are you so bored and sad that you need to spend so much time ridiculuing the beliefs of 1 (ONE) single person? or did you think you would convert her to your enligthened-whatever-it-is? Or maybe you thought you'd bring the church down?

i'm not mormon or anything, but are you not an idiot? maybe just a little bit?

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:12 (twenty years ago)

i feel silly getting upset about it... it just seems really unnecessarily hateful... and with as well as this laura person dealt with it, i don't see why you'd put it on here.

firstworldman (firstworldman), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

I can't wait to hear the recorded prank calls made to B'nai B'rith.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:16 (twenty years ago)

Michael,
I find your cynicism wearying... I will indeed answer your questions, But it seems as though a little redundant in many ways.

laura otm

_, Monday, 3 October 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Mormons really ain't that bad, they're pretty positive in outlook and fairly inocuous in doctrine... weird, yes, with Jesus coming to America and all that. I know they currently own more property in the US than the Catholics, but whatev.

andy --, Monday, 3 October 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

"Mormons really ain't that bad, they're pretty positive in outlook and fairly inocuous in doctrine"

Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

That said Laura Swenson comes off a lot better than "Michael Page" in this exchange.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 3 October 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

sorry but i disagree. Michael Paige will reach heaven because if this hilarious exchange. Laura is a truly wonderful person for being so patient but anyone who actually believes in that religi0n shit is just fooling themselves.

Godd, Monday, 3 October 2005 20:13 (twenty years ago)

"that" ?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

Assholes like this make Mormons look good, which is a very bad thing. Laura comes across as dignified and intelligent and caring, Michael as a tedious twat who likes to imagine he is smart.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 3 October 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Assholes like this make Mormons look good, which is a very bad thing. Laura comes across as dignified and intelligent and caring, Michael as a tedious twat who likes to imagine he is smart.

*sigh*

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

You took all the time to copy-and-paste that just to make some sort of *sigh* remark?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

Not "some sort of *sigh* remark." Straight-up *sigh* remark.

Cut and paste doesn't take a long time, PP. That's the point; I didn't have to type it verbatim.

And knee-jerk reactions like Martin's are exhausting and stupid. It's a bad thing to make Mormons look patient and dignified and intelligent and caring? What an asshole.

What bothers me is that there are people reading this and thinking to themselves "Michael Page is such an asshole...he's making Mormons look good and those that dislike them look like assholes. When really it's the other way around!!!" No. He's just a regular asshole. And so are you.

(by which I mean the hypothetical person that said that hypothetical quote)

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:30 (twenty years ago)

Well.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:37 (twenty years ago)

You certainly could've said that in your initial post.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but that would've taken a long time.

giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 03:48 (twenty years ago)

I think both the JW thread and this mormon thread have both made Michael Page look like a jerk and the religious-type people long-suffering and tolerant.

Was that in your plan Michael Page?

Bombed Out and Depleted / Kate (papa november), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

where is brother michael? he's probably disappointed in this reception.

andrew m. (andrewmorgan), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 04:12 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I think making Mormons look good is a bad thing. I am opposed to religion and religious organisations, so I see making them look good as a bad thing (this is particularly noticeable to me when the intent is clearly the other way around - not that I am particularly keen on that either). I don't see this as an unreasonable or irrational position, and calling me an asshole and claiming it's a knee-jerk reaction, which it isn't, won't change that.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)

Hey JEWS! WHATZA WITH THE FUNNY HATS?
Hey MUSLIMS! WHATZA WITH THE FUNKY ROBES?
Hey MORMONS! TRIPPY UNDERWEAR!
Hey CATHOLICS! WAHT SEXY PENGUINS YOU HAVE!
Hey HINDUS! I modestly respect your multi-armed elephant 69ing the guy from "Street Fighter".

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

I wanna marry everyone on this thread. The dinner conversation will rule. Way better than all the holiday dinners of my childhood, ruined by my father's alcoholic rants.

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

On the "innocuous doctrine" tip . . .

For sobering evidence of the damage which the LDS church's doctrine on homosexuality has done, look no further:

http://www.affirmation.org/suicides/


Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

God bless you, Laura S.
Your Sister.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

http://www.affirmation.org/images/illustrations/memorial_candle.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

She doesn't look that sorry.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

Notice than the Scientologists have not gotten the Michael Page treatment. Is he trying to get in with Beck and Cruise and Travolta?
DON'T DO IT, Michael Page! They'll come gunning for you with their fearsome E-METERS!

Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:35 (twenty years ago)

Check out this picture of Brigham Young's son in drag, dressed as an Italian opera diva:

http://home.earthlink.net/~lgbtmormons/

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

TOTAL BONER KILL

n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 4 October 2005 18:02 (twenty years ago)

To Daniel Drew: you want everyone to see the Mormon Church as the "Bad Guy" here. In my life as a Mormon actor-turned-writer, I have had many Gay friends (and lost many to AIDS), They were great people, and I hate that their chosen life-style precipitated their deaths. But you all know as well as I do that multiple studies have shown that Gays are at a higher risk for suicide--not only in Utah, but everywhere. Their lives are generally less happy, they have a harder time with relationships, with their friends and families, at work, at school...and even at church. You are wrong to single out Utah and the Mormon Chruch as the Great Villain here. The LDS Church is fiercely pro-family, but the straight world generally isn't going to embrace a Gay life-style. And not all of those unfortunate people on your link were Mormon. I certainly would not wish any of this on my own five sons, but I would never love them less. Like Manuel Lopez, quoted in Time Magazine, "I believe there's a certain superficiality in Gay Attachments...I do think its a happier life being Straight."

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 13:36 (twenty years ago)

Hey, we can treat gay people like they are scum, oppose everything they want to do in life at every step, then point out how unhappy gay people are, and therefore we can look sympathetic while opposing everything about being gay, and the cycle gets easier and easier*!

* for us, obviously

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

I am opposed to religion and religious organisations, so I see making them look good as a bad thing

I think Martin makes non-religiousness look bad and this is a good thing, but I care for him and hope he can change his attitude.

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Micheal, can you email some questions to a more biblically based denomination instead of these maybe-cults?

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Martin for heading off the circular logic at the pass . . .

The torturous abstraction of the phrase "their chosen life style precipitated their deaths" is rather telling. It was really their "life style" which is to blame, was it? The number of gay Mormons who simply come out and leave the church demonstrates that it's not the "life style" itself which leads inevitably to suicide (as if that needed proving); rather, the more faithfully a gay Mormon has embraced the anti-gay tenets of the church, the more likely they are to be driven *by their very faith in the Church* towards the kind of self-hatred that tragically spills over into self-destructive behaviour, of which suicide is only one variety. Living a lie in a closeted "straight" marriage is another way to destroy your self. It's not their lifestyle but the depth of their religious faith that precipitates these tragic acts.

People make a choice about whether or not to act on their homosexual desires, but they don't choose to have those desires or not in the first place. That's now how sexual desire works. I'm glad that you claim you wouldn't love your sons any less if they were gay (though your smug final quote from the Holy Tabernacle of Time Magazine suggests to me that this assertion is sanctimonious jive), and I never claimed that the Mormon church has a monopoly on homophobia, but the body count of gay Mormon suicides will continue to climb until the Church changes its views on this matter.

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

a nairn, you are a hoot

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

hey, a least I used word like "care" instead of "asshole"

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Gah, why did I look at this thread?

The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

you wanted to see the picture of a guy in a dress?

A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

Drew, I agree with almost all of what you wrote about "self-hatred that tragically spills over into self=destructive behavior," and that it's not entirely the "life-style itself" which might lead to suicide. I agree also that it is, in a great part, conflicts they can't resolve with deep religious beliefs. I also agree that homosexuality isn't a thing you "choose," but "choose to act on or not." I don't think the chruch will change its views, nor should it. But nobody thinks gay people SHould be "treated like scum." Many ARE "superficial" twits, but so are many straight people. Most are intelligent, caring, and decent, as are most straight people.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)

THIS JUST IN

MANY GAY PEOPLE ARE SUPERFICIAL TWITS


BUT MORMONS LOVE THEM

Jonothong Williamsmang (ex machina), Wednesday, 5 October 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

I also agree that homosexuality isn't a thing you "choose," but "choose to act on or not."

Yeah, I think what both of you are saying is accurate. You may disagree with me on this, but I also think that almost everyone at some point has the feeling to act on some homosexuality, and the more that it is acted on the more of a feeling there is. So if someone, possibly because of religious reasons, later decides they want to choose differently it is hard.

A Nairn (moretap), Thursday, 6 October 2005 07:36 (twenty years ago)

Jon, YOU are a twit.

pepektheassassin (pepektheassassin), Thursday, 6 October 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

seven years pass...

my mormon roommate from college recently just listed himself as in a relationship with another man on fb. mormon joke?

乒乓, Thursday, 19 September 2013 18:52 (twelve years ago)

did he ever seem like he was into anyone in college?

beautifully, unapologetically plastic (mh), Thursday, 19 September 2013 18:56 (twelve years ago)

he left after freshman year to do the two year proselytizing thing and afaict didn't date anyone my senior year

乒乓, Thursday, 19 September 2013 19:04 (twelve years ago)

must be gay!

druhilla (k3vin k.), Thursday, 19 September 2013 19:04 (twelve years ago)


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