can the modern american left genuinely claim to be anti-racist?

(Welfare reform was not a race-based policy, either -- there's lots of white people on welfare. And it also wasn't a bad idea. The existing welfare system was nothing for anyone to be proud of -- underfunded, ineffective and wrongheaded on many counts. Whether what's come in its place is demonstrably better is still an open question, of course, and as social services at all levels continue to get cut, the "welfare to work" programs, with their promises of job training and child care, are going to be increasingly pinched.)

i mean if you quote a statistic that the number of Afro-American people on welfare in the US is significantly greater than Hispanic or other ethnicities then i'll concede - perhaps it is, i'm a bit ignorant on this though definitely. either way i think placing the focus on 'social class/level of privilege' is surely better than just barking on about race in such topics. i mean surely 'can the modern american left genuinely claim to be more supportive to the underprivileged masses than the modern American right' is just as valid and perhaps more appropriate, if more waffley, a question?

http://poverty.smartlibrary.org/NewInterface/segment.cfm?segment=1823&table_of_contents=1425

Anyway, like I said, I think the modern American left is generally, and mostly sincerely, anti-racist. It defends affirmative action. It promotes social spending for the most disadvantaged. It also sometimes signs onto things like the stupid bankruptcy bill, so it's hardly full of idealists or altruists. But on the whole, I'm not sure that pondering the failings of the American left on racial issues is useful as anything more than an academic exercise right now, because those aren't the failings that are keeping it out of office, and as long as it's out of office, much much worse and actively racist policies will be pursued the the modern American right.

what are some examples of actively racist policies pursued by the right and not the left? besides ending affirmative action, which a large number of black people agree with

Apart from building a national governing coalition based partly on Southern white resentment of the civil rights movement?

Well, to use your welfare reform argument, cutting social services generally has disproportionately negative effects for nonwhite populations, which are proportionately poorer and more likely to receive the benefits of those services. Bush in his press conference today (in response to a question about his massive expansion of the federal government) was bragging about how he has actually cut "discretionary non-defense spending", and also said those things will need to be cut more to pay for hurricane relief.

And yeah, affirmative action is complicated too, I know.

sweeping generalizations blah blah blah

But I think, whatever taking-for-granted might go on, Democrats in the last few generations have been more sincerely interested in courting black votes and encouraging black participation in the democratic process than Republicans. Democrats try to encourage black voter turnout, Republicans try to suppress it. That's been a matter of political pragmatism, but that's always true of political alliances. Given that black Democratic legislators still outnumber black Republican legislators by some ridiculous ratio, I don't see how anyone can say that Democrats aren't doing a better job representing black voters. Democrats are more likely to support better funding for public education, childhood intervention programs like Head Start, public health programs, and any number of other things that -- while income- rather than race-based -- have significant racial effects because of the racial income gap.

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Uh no it isn't! They are still using the southern strategy!

Upton Sinclair's The Jungle to thread! That is one of the most offensive books I've ever read.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/raspberrywho

And you have the right to remain silent.

How many times do I have to say "attempted murder".

You have been warned enough times: start co-operating, or be considered an accomplice.

Don't know what I'm talking about?

Then you're either part of it, or you haven't done your homework about what Scientology really does.

Is there some friend you can go hang out with for a little while? I seriously thought you were joking around at first on ILB but I see you are not. I think it is best for your safety if you go to a friend's house.

You have that sing-songy Scientological tone.

Fact is, you are essentially arguing in favor of a permanent 'blackballing' of someone who was ever in 'the KKK'.

My sister's name is Kelly. My brother's name is Kevin. My name is Kerry.

And I've seen you bitches talking in code about 'the KKK', so you stop talking in code.

The less you ignore me, the more you play into my hands.

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kerry, to my knowledge, no one here has anything against you at all. and, just speaking personally, you've been one of my favorite ilXORs!

You are intimating that I haven't. And I have.

I told my brother and sister about the stalking stuff, and they believed it. Oh and...I notice how you avoid anything regarding my father....why is that? And you forged e-mails from my mom too, and you know it. She used an easy password on purpose to see if you'd take the bait. You forged an e-mail telling me to "get my prescriptions filled". So I answered her and spanked the shit out of her, and told her to "fuck off", and you know what? The next time I saw my mother, she made no mention of it, she never told me I needed to "take medication", she never cried or asked for an apology for telling her to "fuck off".

You know why? 'Cos it was a fucking forgery, that's why. And I never got those fucking forgeries again.

You think I don't know my own mother's writing style? She was an English major at Northern Illinois before she dropped out, but who do you think taught me to write? I suppose you'll use that in my next response. I wonder what you'll have to say about my father, 'cos you hate him and you're scared shitless of him...that's why.

I have the e-mails from my brother and sister indicating that they believe me and that they'll help me any way they can. They have NEVER repudiated me. What's next? You want those e-mails? How dare you intimate that they would take your side over theirs. You're slandering and stalking my sister as well, and you ran her out of the building at 4950 N. Marine Drive based on lies.

Oh and...speaking of 4950 N. Marine Drive, how the fuck did that show up in databases on the 'net as my home address? 'Cos I never had a lease there, never had a phone number there, never had a phone bill there, never had a utility bill there....I only had ONE credit card bill sent there ('cos I started using all sorts of addresses in an effort to throw them off), and guess what? It was ChaseManhattan.

I'm not playing your games. And you flat-out say that I haven't talked to them, and I have. You've got a lot of nerve.

That's the game, people - I give them personal information, and they take that, adapt, and base their next volley on it. Let's see what you do with THIS.

Go ahead and call me disruptive, paranoid schizophrenic or whatever.

This is the private dirt that Scientology set up, and then used it against me when I had no choice but to cave. You harass the shit out of someone, and when they break and "see a doctor" or "seek help" or whatever, you seize the opportunity to use that against them.

This is exactly what they don't want....and that's why I have to do it.

When they make a factual error, when I call them out on libel, when they make an accusation they can't prove, and I post the facts....they go back, try again, revise, and come back with a more subdued, polite version of the same intimations...this time using whatever information I've given them.

I've done it in the past, and it's worked for me.

So, oh yeah - I have a brother and a sister. They knew that already, of course, but now I have given them permission to use that information (this is what they think). They're so dumb that they don't realize that there are all sorts of assumptions in the suggestion that I talk to them. At this point, they're just trying to convince themselves that they've "got something". When all else fails, get them to personally disclose.

You just watch this thread. There was some role-playing and gaslighting up above, and that's why I stepped in. 'Cos I found that covert 'KKK' shit on another board, and once, a long time ago, when I worked in Northwestern's Library, a black co-worker joked about my initials being "KKK". That's a "mark". That was bait for them, and now they're pretending they don't know what I'm talking about.

You know I hate to be the center of attention and "disruptive", but it feeds them, and every time I go offline for a while...it gets worse, and I usually end up having "an accident" or something.

So, I am bound by conscience and I have a duty to myself to do this, but I also have to do it to "clear" all of the slanders and make worthless all of the private info they have gathered on me.

Just watch how it works.

Oh, and J - no need for e-mails. I'm feeling fine. The more I play this role they want me to play, the better I feel actually. I guess I am supposed to do this.

That's a relief. Feel better than fine soon.

Some Background
Symptoms from Chemtrail sprayings

A One, Two Punch?

On February 20, 1999, strange "Contrails" were reported over Long Island, NY by 'concerned citizens' who also took photos. These photos reveal the characteristic "X" mark seen in almost all cases of chemtrails. Earlier this year, reports by Ken Welch have been posted on various sites on the Internet. His reports are titled Contrail Spraying of Cities is Real Part 1 , Part II, and Part III These articles chronicle Ken's apprehension and dismay at the discovery that the United States government was brazenly spraying the skies of southern Texas on April 9, 1999 with Chemtrails. Ken has also posted E-mails at his web site that were sent to him in May '99 of reports of sprayings over South Carolina and Indiana . In June, a report from Florida said that sprayings had been going on for weeks over the Ft Lauderdale and Jacksonville areas, including military bases.

It is being reported that people with average or below average immunity are experiencing pneumonia-like respiratory symptoms, while people with stronger immunity are only experiencing slight discomfort for a day or two or no symptoms at all. Some people have gotten very ill and the symptoms seem to keep returning after a short period of improvement. It's possible that some of these sprayings might contain special bioengineered pathogens designed to affect only certain racial groups.

Radio talk show host Jeff Rense has offered the idea that these sprayed pathogens might be part of a Binary weapon system. In other words, a second substance might be required (aerial spraying or substances added to the water supply for example) to bring out the virulent phase of the pathogen, but of course this is only speculation. Rick Malinowski's long and detailed article also suggest the notion of a 2 or 3 part piggy back element to the chemtrail sprayings. My own suspicions are that these sprayings are intended for multiple purposes including low level population reduction (see NWO Population Control), mind control and/or tracking, and to foster weakness and apathy among the general population in anticipation of the New World Order takeover agenda which will likely include the imposition of martial law (a sickly population is a lot more controllable and compliant than a healthy, vigorous one).

William Thomas
William Thomas was the first reporter to attract national attention to the chemtrails issue. He has been interviewed many times on the Art Bell Radio show to discuss the chemtrails story and has many excellent articles and Photos posted at his own web site as well as other locations including-Jeff Rense's Sightings on the Radio . Thomas has concluded that these sprayings are genocidal in nature and are intended to reduce or weaken the general population. In a November '99 interview with Art Bell, Thomas also voiced the idea that there might be a mind control element to the most recent spraying, since many people are reporting mental confusion and depression following recent sprayings. Thomas has reminded radio listeners that the government has had a long history of exposing the public to biological pathogens without their knowledge or consent.
Thomas has also reported that spraying samples have been analyzed and have revealed that many deadly and toxic pathogens have been found including Mycoplasma Fermetens Incognitus (the SAME bioengineered pathogen that Dr Garth Nicholson had discovered in about 45% of the veterans who came down with Gulf War Illness). Thomas found that Mycoplasma, however, was only ONE pathogen among a group of highly toxic biohazard substances analyzed from the chemtrail residues.

Why?
The evidence is obvious and plentiful that these sprayings have been taking place almost daily since the Fall of '98 and many people have gotten sick and undoubtedly some have died from the effects of these pathogen/toxin sprayings, but the $64 question is WHY ?

Some writers have wistfully speculated that the government is trying to vaccinate us against a coming plague of bio terrorist origin. Most people would like to believe that, but the evidence is too strong in the opposite direction. Of course, sprayings might have different intentions for different sectors of the population: Possible population reduction for the weak and immune compromised; possible vaccine protection intended for certain ethnic groups; and possible ID tracking. It's hard to say. Only insiders know the real story, or more probably know some parts of the Real Story.

What most Americans don't realize is that the upper echelons of the United States government is no longer a government "of , by, and for " the people (See the New World Order). The United States government-as with all other major governments of the world-is under the total domination and control of the Illuminati (architects of the so-called New World Order). The Illuminati's plan to reduce the global population by 4 billion people before the year 2050 was laid out in the Global 2000 report assembled by the Carter administration. in the late 70's.

It should be obvious-that in order to REDUCE the world's population from its present size of six billion down to 2 billion (even over a fifty year span) would require that the majority of people now living would have to be exterminated in some way. The amazing thing about the Illuminati is that they place all their ghastly plans right out in the open for everyone to see, if people would only look and read what they are saying.

Debunkers
A genocidal operation of this size and scope would require the Illuminati controllers to promote contravening propaganda in the opposite direction in order to limit or defuse political agitation, possible retaliatory action, and to quell the concerns of the average American who might stumble upon the chemtrail story. It's Standard Operating Procedure for the Illuminati. For example, when Senate committee hearings took place a few years ago (early '90's) on re-examining the Kennedy assassination, just coincidentally an author (and CIA asset) by the name of Gerald Posner, who had recently published a book titled "Case Closed", suddenly appears on the national scene. In his book, Posner claimed unequivocally that Oswald was the lone assassin, that there was no conspiracy involving others, and that the Warren Commission was correct in its original findings. Reviews of his opinions and that of his book received front page coverage throughout mainstream media. Frontline produced a 2 hour "documentary" on Posner's claims which failed to offer opposing views by other Kennedy assassination investigators/authors to refute or take issue with Posner's position.

In 1997, on the 50 year anniversary of the Roswell, New Mexico UFO Crash of 1947, the government offered up a high ranking Air Force officer to make an utter fool of himself on national TV (CNN) by stating that the so called "bodies" of aliens beings-which were recovered from the Roswell crash-were "in fact" really only test dummies that the Air Force had sent aloft to see how they would fare under crash conditions. This orchestrated and staged press conference had already stated that the dummies were deployed in 1954. When one reporter asked this Air Force officer what the connection was between a 1954 test of crash dummies and the 1947 Roswell UFO crash, the stunned officer could only mumble that apparently "time compression" had "taken place". It was a Golden Moment for those of us who rail against the unending stream of lies and unmitigated deception fostered upon the American public by the (corportate/Illuminati controlled) mainstream media and government spokesmen.

[Update January 2002]
The party line from chemtrail debunkers has changed over the past 3 years. Early on, debunkers wanted the public to think that chemtrails were really just ordinary contrails that were persisting longer than usual due to changing atmospheric conditions and similar tripe. Later, debukers needed to create some sort of logical excuse for chemtrails and were peddling the aerial immunization against 'terrorists' biologicals or solar wind protection gambit.

Lately, the current unofficial party line seems to be
1. protection of the ozone layer,
2. secret military radar blanketing technology,
3. aerosol 'vaccinations' of some sort and
4. some vague reference to 'protection from aliens' (??? you got me).

Debunkers will usually offer themselves as experts or authorities on chemtrails and will always give you a good mixture of real info layered in with their hidden propaganda message. Another trait I've noticed from debunkers is the the sheer volume of their presentation coupled with a lot of technical jargon, scientific looking graphs and pictures to bolster the image of scientific validity and depth of investigation. But if you read their 'reports' carefully enough, you can spot the party line. Lastly, debunkers will usually yell "fraud" the loudest for those articles or reporters that hit closest to home where truth is concerned. A good place to start honing your discernment skills is with the highly circulated and often referenced"Chemtrails Report".

Do not assume that you are helpless to do anything

I've photographed chemtrails in my area on many occasions and I've been breathing the fallout from these sprayings right along with everyone else, but I haven't come down with any symptoms or discomfort yet. If you build up (or possess) your immunity to a high enough level, you can resist most any pathogen. There are numerous ways in which people can improve their self defense by learning how to boost immunity.

What to do
Prepare by building up your immune system. A sufficiently strengthened immune system can withstand a far greater biological assault than the designers of these highly virulent "killer microbes" would have the world believe. It's important to remember that ANY lethal biological organism, whether it be a virus, bacteria, fungus, or parasite, has to replicate itself in your body in order to harm you. This includes those weapons grade 'super killer microbes' that Russia, the United States., Israel, Iraq, China, and other countries have developed. The conventional orthodox method to acquire protection against a deadly organism is to administer a vaccine that is specifically tailored with inactivated microbes of the killer bug or fragments of its protein shell. The body produces antibodies against this specific antigen and provides immunity in the event of exposure. Undoubtedly, the designers of these killer bugs and members of the elite who are "inside the loop" have already been vaccinated for their protection. BUT, there are other ways to acquire protection, that the rest of us can utilize.

As stated elsewhere on this site, a sufficiently strengthened immune system can withstand practically any biological assault. I've put together a page called Immunity Boosting which will outline a number of steps you can take to boost your immunity. At the very least, take colloidal silver on a regular basis. Even if you did nothing else to improve your immunity (and you should), colloidal silver will substantially increase your germ fighting capabilities since no bug, even a bioengineered one, can develop a resistance to its germicidal action.

Web sites with in-depth coverage of Chemtrails (posted November 1999)
One of the most articulate, succint and cogent report assembledto date on the chemtrails story comes from Rick Malinowski. Take the time to read his excellent reportage carefully and thoroughly. His story is avialable on the web at: (old url deleted)
http://home.earthlink.net/~wolfmind/ (*Rick's new web site as of 2/27/00)

Other informative and interesting web sites include:
1) http://strangehaze.freeservers.com/index.html
2) http://www.contrailconnection.com/
3) http://www.islandnet.com/~wilco
4) Cliff Carnicom (http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm)
Good site for chemtrail infomation, but overly cautious and worried about upsetting The Powers That Be to call a spade a spade. Informative all the same with many good photos.

My new internet mantra.

My hour of need:

Hypoglycemia

Fuck off, you don't know who I am.

Jon I hope you know I'm not like "Jon is permanently evil! fuck that guy!" but you crossed a line upthread, and deserve to be called out for it, and frankly I think you should apologize for it, but since you're now in "fuck you" land I'm guessing it's too late to hope for that

obamas record so far is not very progressive or interesting. he gives good speeches- yeah so does trent lott!
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lol ethan