Earthquake in South Asia

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I noticed there was no thread about this, and I thought there should be one. Natural disasters in developing countries take such a horrible toll in terms of human life and lives destroyed. It's really sad. Don't know what else to say, really.

Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 9 October 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

if you thought america's resources for helping its victims were pathetic, imagine how little help these guys will get.

glasgow coma score (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 9 October 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

Maybe there should an international treaty for building codes. Any country that signs the treaty must have stringent enforcement, and there could be World Bank and other aid incentives attached to being a signatory.

Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 9 October 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Yeah and a magic dragon will pay for it and he'll live on a rainbow and shower us with chocolate and champagne.

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Sunday, 9 October 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

One of my friends flew home to Islamabad last week to visit his family. I'm hoping he & his family are ok. No word from him yet, but I don't expect him to be checking email right now.

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 9 October 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

the whole thing is fucking horrific. they're predicting 30,000 dead in pakistan. it's just hellish.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 9 October 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

Hope your friend is alright Lyra.

There's something really strange about the ecology lately. There seems to be environmental disasters just about everywhere. Unfortunately, it's often the poorest countries that are situated in the most geographically unstable regions. It is sad.

salexander / sophie (salexander), Sunday, 9 October 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

lyra: islamabad has been "lucky", if that isn't a horribly glib way of putting it. this is from the bbc:


In the capital, Islamabad, rescuers worked through the night in the ruins of the upmarket Margala Towers residential complex. Heavy diggers tugged huge chunks of rubble off a mound of collapsed, compacted apartment floors.

A British team of specialists joined Pakistani rescue workers overnight, bringing out alive a man and a woman to cheers and applause on Sunday morning.

More than 20 bodies have been found and about 90 people have been pulled alive from the rubble.

British officials say other voices have been heard from within the rubble, and they are focusing on an area where it is thought two children may still be alive.

The tower blocks were the only buildings to collapse in Islamabad.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 9 October 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Jarlr'mai,

Yeah, I know it's not a very practical idea. Even if countries signed up for it, corruption would undoubtedly make its enforcement impossible.

But there must be something that can be done.

Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 9 October 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)


Grimly- thanks for the BBC clip. From the articles I'd read, it did seem that the more rural areas were harder hit. I'm sure he's OK, but I'll be happier when I see an email from him.

from nytimes.com:
Estimates of the quake's magnitude varied from 6.8 to 7.8, with the United States Geological Survey putting the number at 7.6. Its epicenter was roughly 60 miles north of the Pakistani capital, Islamabad, where 20 "significant aftershocks" measuring between 5 and 6.2 magnitude were felt throughout the day on Saturday, Dr. Qamar-uz-Zaman Chaudhry, director general of the Meteorological Department in Islamabad, said by telephone on Saturday evening. Officials warned that serious aftershocks could continue for two days.

The earthquake, which sent tremors as far east as New Delhi, the Indian capital, and west to Kabul, the capital of Afghanistan, was the biggest to strike the country in a century, Dr. Chaudhry said.

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 9 October 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Some natural disasters are just beyond the scope of anything man could prepare for. The best thing to do is just mourn and rebuild.

A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 9 October 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

There's something really strange about the ecology lately.

How you figure?

JKex (JKex), Sunday, 9 October 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

Pretty horrific, deeply depressing -- while you are correct in the first part of your post, A Nairn, your 'best thing' leaves out doing the best possible to reduce loss of life in the future. How feasible that would be, though, I don't know.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 October 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

This whole page is fascinating and quite sad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_tolls#Deaths_caused_by_natural_disasters

A Nairn (moretap), Sunday, 9 October 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

I'd opine that natural disasters are killing more people nowadays because

1)there are more people living today, so that populations are much denser than in the past - especially in South Asia - and

2)very large numbers of those people live in urban poverty with marginal shelter, food and water and

3)the prevalence and prestige of Western building techniques has led to the construction of many multi-storey, outwardly 'modern' buildings, but with poor design and materials (e.g. schools and apartments that collapse).

Since natural disasters cannot be prevented, the solution will require better population control and raised living standards. This isn't going to happen anytime soon by purely human efforts. If Nature steps in and controls population (as in these disasters) it is going to be a painful, ugly process every time. Be prepared for more of this, but worsening over the next few decades.

Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 9 October 2005 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Some natural disasters are just beyond the scope of anything man could prepare for.

Besides having (and enforcing) California or Japanese style building codes. I think another reason things seem worse lately is the presence good mobile broadcasting technology and the cable news channels that can devote long periods to reporting these events, and the "if it bleeds, it leads" mindset of some news organizations.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 10 October 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

The best building codes could not protect from Deep Impact, Armageddon style disasters.

A Nairn (moretap), Monday, 10 October 2005 02:27 (twenty years ago)

Clearly Bruce Willis is our only hope.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 October 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)

x-post.
Which this wasn't. You can't prevent earthquakes, but building multistory concrete buildings without reinforcement in earthquake zones is a guarantee of this type of tragedy.

nickn (nickn), Monday, 10 October 2005 02:54 (twenty years ago)

This whole page is fascinating and quite sad:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_tolls#Deaths_caused_by_natural_disasters

What a list! Makes Katrina look like a walk in the park. Sheesh, the Thuggees sure were bad-ass killing machines.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:34 (twenty years ago)

from that page, 35,000 - European Heat Wave of 2003 (Europe, 2003) actually stands out as one of the most alarming (more for it's recentness and the relative 'subtlety' of the disaster rather than proximity to me)

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:38 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that surprised me too. Were most of the heat wave deaths old folks? That would explain why it didn't get huge press here.

Maria :D (Maria D.), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:44 (twenty years ago)

Yes the majority by far were elderly people in Greece, Southern France and other countries around the Med iirc.

Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

i have some good news- my friend is safe, as is his family. Some of their friends were hurt, and he said the state of the hospitals in Islamabad was total chaos and confusion through the whole weekend. He was on the first floor of his family's house, and didn't think the earthquake was all that bad, just long- until it was over and they saw what had happened.

lyra (lyra), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:13 (twenty years ago)

off topic: What was the final death toll of Katrina in LA/MS?

gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:28 (twenty years ago)

Officially, just under a thousand people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 01:44 (twenty years ago)

The longer time passes, the worse this is getting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)


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